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I'll have you know I only post while fully erectZero VGS posted:Goons don't believe in intellectual property, or property, or intellect. Hello from Outside The USA, from a trustee of two makerspace charities who are Not Allowed to order SawStops.
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ReelBigLizard posted:Hello from Outside The USA, from a trustee of two makerspace charities who are Not Allowed to order SawStops. because of sanctions? what could be the reason?
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I feel like the twist is gonna be that OP is in north korea
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Mar 9, 2024 22:38
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Broken Britain, but you can't get them in the EU either.
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LifeSunDeath posted:because of sanctions? what could be the reason? Apparently there's a general ban on US table saws in Europe because they allow dado stacks.
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Deteriorata posted:Apparently there's a general ban on US table saws in Europe because they allow dado stacks. We get some of the same models from Milwaukee etc they just have shorter axles and spacers. Arrhythmia posted:Oh my God shut up. If I could go back and kill the SawStop guy in his crib knowing that every woodworker in the world would lose their hands, it would be worth it to stop this limp-dick flame war. Oh and feel free to contribute a single bit of substantive content to this thread, but don't break a habit of 5 years on my account.
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ReelBigLizard posted:Hello from Outside The USA, from a trustee of two makerspace charities who are Not Allowed to order SawStops. That's rough, consider moving to the country that invented OSHA. The alternative is becoming plastic melty safety sandals guy.
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Serephina posted:I mean, it's not that surprising is it really? Übermensch don't actually exist IRL, people who are excellent at one thing aren't necessarily good at other rather basic stuff. For the most part yeah, but there's some pretty drat impressive folks out there. There's the current NASA astronaut who's also a Navy SEAL and a medical doctor. Ted Williams, one of the best baseball players ever, flew fighter planes in WW2 and Korea (where he was John Glenn's wingman) AND he's also in the fishing hall of fame.
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Vampire Panties posted:its the burning plastic to get the other plastic hot enough to melt that is plastic fueling plastic. hey, we asked for sustainability! pretty sure this is akin the infinite energy machines right? edit: also the guy was more mad at capitalism than the sawstop dude how was that complex in this thread of all places
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https://youtube.com/shorts/1uKyCavu8zQ?si=vD3qre0hDn-2Ek6b
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Deteriorata posted:Apparently there's a general ban on US table saws in Europe because they allow dado stacks. good lord
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ReelBigLizard posted:Broken Britain, but you can't get them in the EU either. yes we can. SawStop was bought in 2017 by a german holding and Festool has them since everywhere in Europe.
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haldolium posted:yes we can. SawStop was bought in 2017 by a german holding and Festool has them since everywhere in Europe. Oh cool can you donate us a couple? I assume the festool one costs 600 dollars like that other goons saw.
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LifeSunDeath posted:good lord Cutting off a finger?! That's fine and normal, but dadoing a notch into one, omg what kind loving animals are you??!!
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I know people with the no-no da-dos here, I think you just have to find a saw that lets you fit the US spec part. Or go the AliExpress route.
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ReelBigLizard posted:Oh cool can you donate us a couple? I assume the festool one costs 600 dollars like that other goons saw. of course just drop your shipping address here
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redshirt posted:For the most part yeah, but there's some pretty drat impressive folks out there. There's the current NASA astronaut who's also a Navy SEAL and a medical doctor. There's also the guy who invented a saw that saves fingats
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We use a Portsmouth based shipping forwarder to get palletised goods on the boat let me know when they're ready to go and I'll generate a waybill.
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Jonny Kim, by the way. On the shortlist of current US astronauts to go to the Moon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Kim
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In 2020, The Chosun Ilbo reported that the adolescent Kim had been the victim of domestic violence at the hands of his father; in February 2002, after threatening his family with a gun, Kim's father was shot to death in his attic by police. Quite an origin story.
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wait do people call themselves makers
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redshirt posted:Jonny Kim, by the way. On the shortlist of current US astronauts to go to the Moon. Kim is one of those dudes like Mike Vining, who applied his aptitude in his military profession to everything else he did. Except Kim became an astronaut, and Vining became a character archetype.
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TEMPLE GRANDIN OS posted:wait do people call themselves makers The only one worthy of being called Maker is Shai-Hulud.
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The sawstop talk is actually interesting and relevant, but I will comment that these articles are from another decade entirely. Much hubbub about some local laws that never passed? I read the article (and the linked thread which doesn't talk much about it) and it doesn't seem too condemning? The 'prohibitive costs' are quoted for the bottom of the barrel cheapest saws possible, and it's no big surprise as a layman to hear that any any additional feature (safety or otherwise) can easily double the price of crap, rather than a ~10-30% increase for more premium models. The entire thing seems reminiscent of that historic factoid of a horse whip manufacturer suing automobile companies for driving him out of business; stuff is playing out in US courts over what's just ill-mannered corporate poo poo-flinging. Sawstops are available in NZ, quietly and without drama, for a price.
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That we didn't require it as a safety feature a la seatbelts when it was first invented was a colossal failure of government, imo it would gently caress over the market for $85 jobsite table saws but, honestly, good
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McGavin posted:The only one worthy of being called Maker is Shai-Hulud. That's very kind of you but a merely dabble.
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Javid posted:That we didn't require it as a safety feature a la seatbelts when it was first invented was a colossal failure of government, imo Indoor smoking bans will be the last successful health and safety action of our lifetimes.
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wait why dont europe use the bosch ones? arent they better anyway? why would they want the inferior american sawstop?
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I don't really get how an 8% rake on the wholesale price could increase the cost of table saws by $100 before counting the actual hardware changes. The math on that doesn't add up unless the wholesale price is already over a thousand bucks.
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ellie the beep posted:wait why dont europe use the bosch ones? arent they better anyway? why would they want the inferior american sawstop? Bosch is not the company it used to be. I don't mean to say their stuff is bad, far from it, but they're not the company they were where everything they made was great. All of their power tools are fine, but I really only see people describe their routers, and jigsaw blades, as great. Everything else if fine to good, so they don't really distinguish themselves from anything from Dewalt/Milwaukee/Makita/Metabo/etc.
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Jabor posted:I don't really get how an 8% rake on the wholesale price could increase the cost of table saws by $100 before counting the actual hardware changes. The math on that doesn't add up unless the wholesale price is already over a thousand bucks. Listen, we must protect and increase the profit margin of tool manufacturers at all costs! They are entitled to the percentage they currently maintain!
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Read the article jfc Bosch only make little job site saws, they have no stake in the standing tool market. The job site ones are good and popular by all accounts.
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Moar liek “gobshite saws”
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wow sounds like theyd make a lot of money by expanding that technology and maybe licensing it out to manufacturers who do
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Bosch is not the company it used to be. I don't mean to say their stuff is bad, far from it, but they're not the company they were where everything they made was great. All of their power tools are fine, but I really only see people describe their routers, and jigsaw blades, as great. Everything else if fine to good, so they don't really distinguish themselves from anything from Dewalt/Milwaukee/Makita/Metabo/etc. The Bosch TL Systems bottle filler I worked on was rumored to be a floor model and goddamn was that thing ever a lemon, I preferred the two mechanical TL Systems fillers from the late 70's. The first thing that happened after installation, 5 years before i got there, was the automatic fill checker came broken - and it never became cost- effective to fix it vs. making us pull 8 vials in a row and do manual fill checks every 5-30 minutes depending on the product. I worked with a Bosch tech that got flown out here from Jolly Old Deutschland on Thanksgiving eve one time. He confirmed that Bosch totally knew they sold that company a lemon, but they were gonna machine delrin change parts locally as part of the service contract so Bosch didn't give a poo poo. He also responded to my query of, "how much are you getting paid to do this little 48 hour trip?" with, in a heavy German accent, "you would not like to know the answer to that because I don't do what you do; but it's a lot." We were there until 9AM on Thanksgiving and that dude was happier than a pig in poo poo cuz he was getting holiday pay for a holiday he didn't give a flying gently caress about after being overnighted. ATG too, the guys that certed the HEPAs once a year. They'd just walk through the plant with some equipment and test every filter. We had to decom the cleanrooms because they weren't gown certified with us with signatures on file with the requisite regulatory agencies, but I still had to do a 30 minute gown training every time I saw the same two guys and then escort them and write a report about their aseptic technique. I asked those guys how much they make doing that poo poo, and they straight up told me, "$350k to do this about 8-10 times a year unless something goes bad at a plant you service, which means you're also always on call to hop a plane. More like 15-20." Those guys said it was a finger-count for everyone that did it as to how many times they were getting wasted or having dinner with their family and got a email with a ticket and a txt telling them to pack their bags and get their rear end to the terminal at PHX ASAP. MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Mar 10, 2024 |
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keep that away from your dick
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