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Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012


Is it even possible for the lines to never cross again?

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Knitting Beetles
Feb 4, 2006

Fallen Rib
It will stabilize around the new equilibrium, so somewhere between 4C and 400C higher

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



In the early 90's I had a little children's book about climate change and I remember it presenting a scenario for a Venusian earth if humanity didn't get it a poo poo together.

lol
lmao

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Decent article from Jonathon Porritt. https://www.jonathonporritt.com/mainstream-climate-science-the-new-denialism/

Jonathon Porritt posted:

This is a bit of a long one! So here’s my “Executive Summary” so you can decide whether to commit the time to the rest of it: mainstream climate scientists run the risk of becoming the new climate deniers. As in:

  1. The speed with which the climate is now changing is faster than (almost) all scientists thought possible.

  2. There is now zero prospect of holding the average temperature increase this century to below 1.5°C; even 2°C is beginning to slip out of reach. The vast majority of climate scientists know this, but rarely if ever give voice to this critically important reality.

  3. At the same time, the vast majority of people still haven’t a clue about what’s going on – and what this means for them and everything they hold dear.

  4. The current backlash against existing (already wholly inadequate) climate measures is also accelerating – and will cause considerable political damage in 2024. Those driving this backlash - represent the same old climate denial that has been so damaging over so many years.

  5. The science-based institutions on which we depend to address this crisis have comprehensively failed us. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is incapable of telling the whole truth about accelerating climate change; the Conference of the Parties (under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change) has been co-opted by the fossil fuel lobby to the point of total corruption.

  6. By not calling out these incontrovertible realities, mainstream scientists are at risk of becoming the new climate deniers.

Going by the scale of the temperature anomalies we're observing I'm inclined to say that mainstream scientists have been climate deniers all along.

swamp thong
Nov 6, 2023

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Decent article from Jonathon Porritt. https://www.jonathonporritt.com/mainstream-climate-science-the-new-denialism/

Going by the scale of the temperature anomalies we're observing I'm inclined to say that mainstream scientists have been climate deniers all along.

you gotta estimate conservatively or you will be on the wrong side of being wrong

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

The Demilich posted:

In the early 90's I had a little children's book about climate change and I remember it presenting a scenario for a Venusian earth if humanity didn't get it a poo poo together.

lol
lmao

I might be remembering wrong but I think Sagan was of the opinion that earth could be venus-ed. So it may well have been a popular 90s thought

Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

The Demilich posted:

In the early 90's I had a little children's book about climate change and I remember it presenting a scenario for a Venusian earth if humanity didn't get it a poo poo together.

lol
lmao

Venusian 2! WOOOO!

https://youtu.be/nE42Z1q-uLY?si=CjHxa9SKnareo5X0

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

good album

Twigand Berries
Sep 7, 2008

The Demilich posted:

In the early 90's I had a little children's book about climate change and I remember it presenting a scenario for a Venusian earth if humanity didn't get it a poo poo together.

lol
lmao

In the late 80s as a kid I read a book called Drowning Towers (The Sea and Summer outside US I think) which took place in the near future where the character would row their boat amongst a bunch of submerged skyscrapers because Antarctica melted or whatever but then it would fast forward to the far future where a tiny tribe of advanced humans were reading the diary of the city-boater while an Ice Age raged outside. l'm team Mars for long run.

Actuary X
Jul 20, 2007

Not really the best actuary in the world.

Chard posted:

i'm going to turn the ecosystem off and on again. that usually fixes things.

You can turn it off, but then there's nobody alive to turn it back on again.

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


SniperWoreConverse posted:

Isn't it gonna rebound once all that ice sloughs off

All those fuckin crazy mystery mountains and archipelagos

A shallow sea full of crocodiles and terror birds, sharks and christ only knows thawed from ancient caverns, ferns as big as redwoods, anything and everything could be right under the ice, waiting to grow again. Sporulate

Plus the moraines around the continent from all of the glaciers are probably going to be unstable, who knows how many underwater landslides that's going to result in

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
It will take tens of thousands of years for the carbon we've released into the atmosphere to be sequestered again by natural processes. There hasn't been this much carbon up there for something like three million years. Even if humanity disappeared tomorrow and somehow every source of greenhouse gas emissions suddenly ceased, there is a loooong time yet things are going to keep getting hotter. We're at the bottom of the hockey stick baby.

Yes, I do listen to Radio Ecoshock

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
2 degrees before the end of the decade is certain, we might even be there already

Charlatan Eschaton
Feb 23, 2018

this burn scar looks like a different planet

https://twitter.com/CopernicusEU/status/1767136312262340822

Charlatan Eschaton
Feb 23, 2018

interesting looking book about journaling fire environments, pdf is free

https://www.iawfonline.org/article/pyrosketchology-drawing-on-experiences/

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider

Ihmemies posted:

Is it even possible for the lines to never cross again?

all things are possible through christ my brother

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
🎶 I'm 6C and I know it 🎶

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


🎶🎶🎶 from C 2 shining C 🎶🎶🎶

Rodney The Yam II
Mar 3, 2007




Hubbert posted:

🎶 I'm 6C and I know it 🎶

woo! gurl look at that bdody

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.

starkebn posted:

2 degrees before the end of the decade is certain, we might even be there already

Lol that the guy says century not decade

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

Mt Erebus scenic flights are really great!

Top tier wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erebus_disaster particularly the mortician's account from Operation Overdue

Communist Cop
Jun 29, 2023

Nix Panicus posted:

Antarctic ecotourism is good for the environment

last chance tourism owns, people flying to greenland to be the first humans to step foot on soil that's been under glaciers since before there were people, standing around watching the last rhino chew grass under armed guard, driving dive boats over unbleached sections of the great barrier reef, i love it

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


Communist Cop
Jun 29, 2023

The Demilich posted:

In the early 90's I had a little children's book about climate change and I remember it presenting a scenario for a Venusian earth if humanity didn't get it a poo poo together.

lol
lmao

orson scott card of all people wrote a book about sending people back in time to stop christopher columbus so that new world imperialism wouldn't exist and destroy the biosphere

he also wrote a book about a guy becoming emperor of america by using george soros as a catspaw (soros used a mecha army to seize control of new york), so maybe he's just a dumbass

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal

Chard posted:

i'm going to turn the ecosystem off and on again. that usually fixes things.

well it's definitely turning itself off, but i'm not sure about the second part

Zeta Taskforce
Jun 27, 2002

Ihmemies posted:

Is it even possible for the lines to never cross again?

There will likely be some point this year where the 2024 temperature line will dip slightly below 2023. This will be interpreted as the situation stabilizing, 2023 being an anomaly, and therefore business as usual is fine.

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro
10°C waltz

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro

Twigand Berries posted:

In the late 80s as a kid I read a book called Drowning Towers (The Sea and Summer outside US I think) which took place in the near future where the character would row their boat amongst a bunch of submerged skyscrapers because Antarctica melted or whatever but then it would fast forward to the far future where a tiny tribe of advanced humans were reading the diary of the city-boater while an Ice Age raged outside. l'm team Mars for long run.

it's a good book from what I remember reading it in my early 20s

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

Read Flood by Baxter.

BoothBaberGinsburg
Jan 4, 2021

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

Zeta Taskforce posted:

There will likely be some point this year where the 2024 temperature line will dip slightly below 2023. This will be interpreted as the situation stabilizing, 2023 being an anomaly, and therefore business as usual is fine.

Line only goes UP :mad:

KlavierVogel
Feb 27, 2004

[] an old crow spoke to me [] busted leg limped down the street [] said we're both tied to our own trees [] cut me loose, cut me loose []

Okay I'm pretty new to this thread so I need one of you mooks to explain to me wth that creature is and why it's everywhere

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005

KlavierVogel posted:

Okay I'm pretty new to this thread so I need one of you mooks to explain to me wth that creature is and why it's everywhere

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-57386706



also, that's the rear end

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
It's the arse end (yes, not the face) of a bdelloid rotifer, which I believe was found in melted permafrost I think?

E: get in :getin:

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

KlavierVogel posted:

Okay I'm pretty new to this thread so I need one of you mooks to explain to me wth that creature is and why it's everywhere

Microplastics posted:

It's the arse end (yes, not the face) of a bdelloid rotifer, which I believe was found in melted permafrost I think?

E: get in :getin:

bduddy,

edit: vvvvvv

cash crab
Apr 5, 2015

all the time i am eating from the trashcan. the name of this trashcan is ideology


he’s our boy and son

kyojin
Jun 15, 2005

I MASHED THE KEYS AND LOOK WHAT I MADE

cash crab posted:

he’s our boy and son

Strictly speaking they are all female or at least a male has never been observed according to Wikipedia

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

isn’t it the foot?

Hit Man
Mar 6, 2008

I hope after I die people will say of me: "That guy sure owed me a lot of money."

I've cleaned my outdoor air conditioning unit to sparkling brand new and bought back up run capacitors

My hopes lie in this unit to survive in the hell world upcoming summer. Godspeed my 2.5 ton friend

cash crab
Apr 5, 2015

all the time i am eating from the trashcan. the name of this trashcan is ideology


kyojin posted:

Strictly speaking they are all female or at least a male has never been observed according to Wikipedia

another win for feminism!

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Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Xaris posted:

and then silksong

one weird trick to prevent societal collapse indefinitely, scientists hate it!

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