[P/I] Live Hamas

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Egg Moron: Jul 21, 2003; the dreams of the delighting void

it's paywalled but the discourse around haredim seems like it is getting more hosed, or it is always this hosed, i dunno, just a burger boy out here trying to post

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...ae-3eed14060000

quote:

When will we start to tell the truth about the Haredim? When will we stop hiding behind political correctness? It's time we recognized that the ultra-Orthodox simply don't see us. They teach their children to despise secular Jews. They do not recognize the state, they are anti-Zionist; to them, we are simply a cash register that must be robbed.

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Sancho Banana: Aug 4, 2023; Not to be confused with meat.

Egg Moron posted:

it's paywalled but the discourse around haredim seems like it is getting more hosed, or it is always this hosed, i dunno, just a burger boy out here trying to post

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...ae-3eed14060000

It's always been like this. It's just a bit louder now because it's topical.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 15:24

Raccooon: Dec 5, 2009

Saw new Dune last night. I know Dune has always been Islamic/Arabic coded but man is it wild that this is coming out right now. Comparison to the Houthis standing up to the American empire is almost too exact lol.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 15:27

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

if you ever wanted to read the diary of a psychopathic murderer who doesnt think what hes doing is wrong go read the american state department arabic twitter account.

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Egg Moron: Jul 21, 2003; the dreams of the delighting void

Dune is about the science of history, dune is dialectical materialism the book

# ? Mar 12, 2024 15:45

Kunster: Dec 24, 2006

double nine posted:

is there a way to get the direct MP4 link ? Asking for (sharing to) a friend

Use Cobalt.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 15:52

Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

Egg Moron posted:

it's paywalled but the discourse around haredim seems like it is getting more hosed, or it is always this hosed, i dunno, just a burger boy out here trying to post

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...ae-3eed14060000

Wow crazy that they sound just like some tsarist pogroms but about "their own" people.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 15:59

Sanlav: Feb 10, 2020; We'll Meet Again

VoicesCanBe posted:

This is yet another case of staffers "leaking" conversations that may or may not have happened for PR purposes.

It makes me think White House Staffers have gleaned most of their working experience by watching the West Wing and House of Cards ... Maybe there's someone out there born yesterday but i think it's pretty transparent at this point that. Biden is terrible at good cop bad cop cause he forgets and just denies the claims outright making his staff look insane.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 15:59

Brandon Proust: Jun 22, 2006; "Like many intellectuals, he was incapable of scoring a simple goal in a simple way"

Egg Moron posted:

it's paywalled but the discourse around haredim seems like it is getting more hosed, or it is always this hosed, i dunno, just a burger boy out here trying to post

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...ae-3eed14060000

quote:
They do not recognize the state, they are anti-Zionist; to them, we are simply a cash register that must be robbed.

critical support for the haredim

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E2M2: Mar 2, 2007; Ain't No Thang.

Most of the Jews in Palestine prezionism were haredim right?

# ? Mar 12, 2024 16:09

AFancyQuestionMark: Feb 19, 2017; Long time no see.

No, the major haredi sects came over from eastern europe

# ? Mar 12, 2024 16:13

double nine: Aug 8, 2013

Kunster posted:

Use Cobalt.

nice, thanks!

# ? Mar 12, 2024 16:37

Soapy_Bumslap: Jun 19, 2013; We're gonna need a bigger chode; Grimey Drawer

Joe thought about limiting weapons transfers, yes

He decided "no"

# ? Mar 12, 2024 16:44

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

Soapy_Bumslap posted:

Joe thought about limiting weapons transfers, yes

He decided "no"

wrong. the walking dead are incapable of thoughts. that is the realm of the living. joe biden is animated by dark pharmaceuticals and his shell is moved only by ancient racism

# ? Mar 12, 2024 16:52

Retromancer: Aug 21, 2007; Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

Sorry if this got posted before, but Tom Cotton is using Aaron Bushnell to round up a new wave of purges in the armed forces. (and maybe society, ha ha ha jk ....unless?)

https://theintercept.com/2024/03/07/aaron-bushnell-fbi-anarchism-extremist/

The Intercept posted:

Ken Klippenstein
March 7 2024, 12:52 p.m.
AARON BUSHNELL�S DEATH by self-immolation in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington last month has provoked nationwide soul-searching about the war in Gaza. For the U.S. government though, the airman�s death excites a different kind of search: for so-called extremists, particularly left-wing ones.

Last Wednesday, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., former Army officer and a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, sent a letter to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin asking why and how the Pentagon could tolerate an airman like Bushnell in its ranks. Calling his death �an act of horrific violence� that was �in support of a terrorist group [Hamas],� Cotton goes on to ask about the Defense Department�s internal efforts to address extremism and whether Bushnell was ever identified as exhibiting extremist views or behaviors.

Cotton�s agitation to find Hamas supporters in uniform twists Bushnell�s political act, which Bushnell said was in support of the Palestinian people. But it also follows a longstanding urging by other members of Congress like Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa � ranking Republican of the Judiciary Committee and former president pro tempore of the Senate � for the military to pursue some kind of similar treatment for leftists.

While studies show that support for extremism is similar or even lower among veterans than the general population, extremism in the active-duty military has become an obsession of the Washington brass since January 6. Soon after taking office, new secretary of defense Austin, a retired Army general, directed the military to conduct an all-hands �stand down� to address extremism in the ranks, commissioning a number of panels and studies to evaluate white nationalism and neo-Nazi support among service members.

Outside of the Defense Department, the FBI is responsible for domestic counterterrorism. Since Israel�s war on Gaza began last October, it has been focused on any foreign blowback on the United States.

�In a year when the [foreign] terrorism threat was already elevated, the ongoing war in the Middle East has raised the threat of an attack against Americans inside the United States to a whole �nother level,� FBI Director Christopher Wray told cadets at West Point on Monday. �We cannot � and do not � discount the possibility that Hamas or another foreign terrorist organization may exploit the current conflict to conduct attacks here, on our own soil,� Wray told Congress right after the Gaza war began.

Will Bushnell�s death, and congressional pressure, open the door to build some speculative link between domestic supporters of Palestine and the bureau�s foreign-oriented anti-Hamas work?

Though Bushnell�s suicide was intended to demonstrate his anguish over the plight of Palestinian civilians in Gaza, he also embraced anarchism, or at least a present-day articulation of anarchism that is a general rejection of established authority. Bushnell�s posts on Reddit and other social media platforms before his death reflected this embrace of anarchism, and he chose the anarchist symbol as his profile picture for the Twitch account he used to livestream his self-immolation. His Facebook page also followed and liked pages for several anarchist groups. The anarchist collective CrimethInc. also said in a blog post that Bushnell had emailed the group shortly before his death.

Bushnell was also a community activist in San Antonio, Texas, where he was stationed. The Democratic Socialists of America San Antonio chapter issued a statement expressing solidarity with Bushnell and mentioning his work with them on homelessness. �He was an anarchist,� a San Antonio DSA member who interacted with Bushnell told The Intercept, asking that their name not be used. �He had a good nose for recognizing coercive / unhealthy organizing structures and practices; and was very intentional about his relationships with other people.�

Since 2019, the FBI has used five �threat categories� to describe domestic terrorism: Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremism, Anti-Government or Anti-Authority Violent Extremism (AGAAVE), Animal Rights or Environmental Violent Extremism, Abortion-Related Violent Extremism, and �All Other Domestic Terrorism Threats,� which is defined as �furtherance of political and/or social agendas which are not otherwise exclusively defined under one of the other threat categories.�

The AGAAVE threat, the FBI says, �includes anarchist violent extremists, militia violent extremists, sovereign citizen violent extremists, and other violent extremists.� FBI data reveals that 31 percent of its investigations relate to AGAAVEs and 60 percent of all investigations include cases categorized as AGAAVE and �civil unrest.� Most of that focus since January 6 has been on groups that participated in the protests at the Capitol and supporters of Donald Trump.

Behind the scenes though, according to congressional testimony reported here for the first time, the FBI maintains a program specifically for combating anarchists, called the Anarchist Extremism Program. In Senate testimony, the FBI says that it had increased its targeting of anarchist �violent extremists� across the country by using both human and technical sources to spy on them. Since the nationwide protests after the death of George Floyd in 2020, the bureau has tasked field offices to tap confidential informants to develop better intelligence about anarchists. In 2021, the FBI more than doubled its domestic terrorism caseload; and Wray told Congress that arrests of what the bureau calls �anarchist violent extremists� were more numerous in 2020-2021 (the months around January 6) than in the three previous years combined.

An internal FBI threat advisory obtained by The Intercept defines Anarchist Violent Extremists as individuals �who consider capitalism and centralized government to be unnecessary and oppressive,� and �oppose economic globalization; political, economic, and social hierarchies based on class, religion, race, gender, or private ownership of capital; and external forms of authority represented by centralized government, the military, and law enforcement.�

By the FBI�s definition, little of this applies to Bushnell�s own articulation of his political views, despite the anarchist label. But the airman�s protest fulfills the push by many Republicans and conservatives to get the FBI to equally focus on leftists. In a 2021 hearing, Grassley pushed for more investigations of those on the left, alluding to the bureau�s anarchist extremism program.

�Former Attorney General Barr stated that the FBI has robust programs for white supremacy and militia extremism, but a significantly weaker anarchist extremism program,� Grassley said to Wray. �How do you plan to make your left-wing anarchist extremism program as robust as your white supremacy and malicious extremism program?�

At a press briefing last Thursday that discussed Bushnell�s ties to anarchism, the Pentagon appeared to hint that his death might be considered an act of extremism.

�A review of Aaron Bushnell�s social media account indicates that he has some pretty strong anarchist views,� a reporter asked. �Under the Pentagon�s definition of extremists, would he fall under that?�

�I do think it�s fair to say that suicide by self immolation is an extreme act,� Pentagon press secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder replied, promising a �full investigation.�

Retromancer has issued a correction as of 17:14 on Mar 12, 2024

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Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

OctaMurk posted:

i believe germany is looking for a final solution to the issues in the middle east

That's the US State Dept.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 17:12

NeonPunk: Dec 21, 2020

Instead of just shutting up and ignoring him unless everyone forgets about him, they're going to invoke his name and do an inquisition and harass the active members even more? Sure can't see how that would backfire on them

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antipattern: Nov 8, 2019

Retromancer posted:

Sorry if this got posted before, but Tom Cotton is using Aaron Bushnell to round up a new wave of purges in the armed forces. (and maybe society, ha ha ha....unless?)

https://theintercept.com/2024/03/07/aaron-bushnell-fbi-anarchism-extremist/

The extremist position of wanting to stop a genocide

# ? Mar 12, 2024 17:14

Retromancer: Aug 21, 2007; Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

NeonPunk posted:

Instead of just shutting up and ignoring him unless everyone forgets about him, they're going to invoke his name and do an inquisition and harass the active members even more? Sure can't see how that would backfire on them

Republicans have been butthurt about the FBI and the military trying to sniff out Nazis and White Supremacists in the Armed Forces for a few years now. They see this as a chance to purge left wingers from the military.

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I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

Egg Moron posted:

Careening into this thread to yell Zima is canon in Babylon 5

Babylon 5 is my favorite show ever.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 17:17

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

antipattern posted:

The extremist position of wanting to stop a genocide

Yeah you really don't want those types in the military

# ? Mar 12, 2024 17:19

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Egg Moron posted:

it's paywalled but the discourse around haredim seems like it is getting more hosed, or it is always this hosed, i dunno, just a burger boy out here trying to post

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...ae-3eed14060000

i don't know if this amounts to much but ive sort of wondered how long israeli society was going to tolerate the inherent contradictions within its populace when it frames itself as an ethnostate

# ? Mar 12, 2024 17:23

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Had to click like 5 times before learning that this 19 year old american kid the media is talking about today was an IOF genocider. Protip: don't send your 19 year old kid to do genocide on the opposite side of the world.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 17:25

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

�We will never surrender.� A photographer from Gaza erects a Palestinian flag on the ruins of his destroyed house

https://x.com/alarabytv/status/1767545184722571420?s=46

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:01

WoodrowSkillson: Feb 24, 2005; *Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

NeonPunk posted:

Instead of just shutting up and ignoring him unless everyone forgets about him, they're going to invoke his name and do an inquisition and harass the active members even more? Sure can't see how that would backfire on them

Why would it backfire? troops will love this. They get to get rid of people they don't like.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:13

hubris.height: Jan 6, 2005; Pork Pro

Al-Saqr posted:

“We will never surrender.” A photographer from Gaza erects a Palestinian flag on the ruins of his destroyed house

https://x.com/alarabytv/status/1767545184722571420?s=46

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:13

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

guys I'm starting to get the feeling the Rules Based International Order does not rule, is not based, and is actually disordered.

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I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

Rules Based International Order is just white supremacy under a different name.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:20

Retromancer: Aug 21, 2007; Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

"Hey global south, sorry for doing all that colonialism. Our bad. We know colonialism is bad now. We're replacing it with this new system we call ~~neocolonialism~~ the rules based international order!"

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:22

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

WoodrowSkillson posted:

Why would it backfire? troops will love this. They get to get rid of people they don't like.

at the risk of using cringe Wikipedia terms, I think there's definitely a risk of Streisand Effect. it's not for nothing the ptb basically damnatio memoriae'd the woman who immolated before Bushnell.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:25

Sancho Banana: Aug 4, 2023; Not to be confused with meat.

Drools cringe international order

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:27

Malloc Voidstar: May 7, 2007; Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-troops-depart-for-mission-to-build-gaza-aid-port/
Four US Army vessels departed a base in Virginia today carrying about 100 soldiers and equipment they will need to build a temporary port on Gaza�s coast for urgently needed aid deliveries.

The first � a hulking gray-painted watercraft known as a Logistics Support Vessel � slowly churned away from the pier at Joint Base Langley-Eustis as �The Imperial March� from �Star Wars� played over its loudspeaker system.

It was followed by three smaller vessels that will also make the roughly 30-day trip to the eastern Mediterranean for the port mission � part of US efforts to boost assistance for Gaza as Israel delays deliveries of aid by ground.

The new facility � which will consist of an offshore platform for transshipment of aid from larger to smaller vessels and a pier to bring it ashore � is expected to be up and running �at the 60-day mark,� US Army Brigadier General Brad Hinson tells journalists.

�Once we get fully mission-capable, we will be able to push up to two million meals, or two million bottles of water, ashore each day,� he says.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:40

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

Malloc Voidstar posted:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-troops-depart-for-mission-to-build-gaza-aid-port/
The first — a hulking gray-painted watercraft known as a Logistics Support Vessel — slowly churned away from the pier at Joint Base Langley-Eustis as “The Imperial March” from “Star Wars” played over its loudspeaker system.

lol cmon

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:42

Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

Owlbear Camus posted:

it's not for nothing the ptb basically damnatio memoriae'd the woman who immolated before Bushnell.

is this a stroke??

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:49

hmhb fan: Feb 4, 2024

Egg Moron posted:

it's paywalled but the discourse around haredim seems like it is getting more hosed, or it is always this hosed, i dunno, just a burger boy out here trying to post

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...ae-3eed14060000

quote:

The second argument that Yosef gives for the draft evasion is also funny. He says the Haredim are Levites, who are exempt from military service. Apparently he has knowledge of ancestry and race research.

Always a good sign you're winning the argument when you dismiss the scholarly merit of your opponent's "race research"

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:50

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

hubris.height posted:

o7

O7, eh? Oct 7? Sounds like terror thought to me!

For real though, Palestine resilience is inspiring and gently caress the IDF.

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:52

Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

Retromancer posted:

Sorry if this got posted before, but Tom Cotton is using Aaron Bushnell to round up a new wave of purges in the armed forces. (and maybe society, ha ha ha jk ....unless?)

https://theintercept.com/2024/03/07/aaron-bushnell-fbi-anarchism-extremist/

recruiting shortfalls?

no, more purges

# ? Mar 12, 2024 18:52

Retromancer: Aug 21, 2007; Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.