The US will lose WW3

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Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I'm dying that they were calling this out in 1997, things have only gotten worse, and the Cold War inventories of legacy aircraft and munitions are almost tapped out now

"Summary. We found no clear link between the cost of either aircraft or weapon system and their performance in Desert Storm. Aircraft total program unit cost does not appear to have been strongly positively or negatively correlated with survivability rates, sortie rates or costs, average daily tonnage per aircraft, or success ratio of unguided-to-guided munition deliveries. No high-cost aircraft demonstrated superior performance in all, or even most, measures, and no low-cost aircraft was generally inferior. On some measures low-cost aircraft performed better than the high-cost ones (such as sortie rate, sortie cost); on some measures, the performance of low- and high-cost aircraft was indistinguishable (such as survivability and participation against targets with successful outcomes)."

I wonder if this would apply to artillery

Gonna make a Civ6 mod that gives the stealth fighter the same stats as regular fighter jets with no additional capabilities, but doubles its cost and obsoletes the regular fighter so you can't build it anymore

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lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

drilldo squirt posted:

You're literally a tankie.

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DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

It's 3 times the price of a T-90SM

At the moment. That price will only go up up up!

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AmyL: Aug 8, 2013; Black Thursday was a disaster, plain and simple.
We lost too many good people, too many planes.
We can't let that kind of tragedy happen again.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I wonder if this would apply to artillery

Btw, what ever happened to the late 20th century project of producing 155mm nuclear shells?

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CMD598: Apr 12, 2013

Nix Panicus posted:

Gonna make a Civ6 mod that gives the stealth fighter the same stats as regular fighter jets with no additional capabilities, but doubles its cost and obsoletes the regular fighter so you can't build it anymore

Also takes twice as long to build.

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

It's 3 times the price of a T-90SM

what if stug but the cost of a tiger ii

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ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/profound-blow-to-aukus-on-eve-of-anniversary-20240312-p5fbom
�Profound� submarine blow to AUKUS on eve of anniversary

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The Pentagon has halved the number of AUKUS submarines it will build next year, casting doubt on the timetable to supply Australia with its first nuclear-powered boats, in what a leading US congressman said was a �profound� blow to the pact.

The Biden administration�s draft budget funds construction on just one new Virginia-class submarine for 2025, despite promises to ramp up production so second-hand boats can be freed up for Australia�s navy in the 2030s.
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However, the transfer of the American submarines hinges on production in the US increasing to an average of 2.33 boats a year. That will ensure the US Navy can replace its boats destined for Australia and avoid a reduction in the size of its fleet.

The US Navy needs to build two submarines a year to maintain its fleet numbers given the retirement of older vessels � a rate it doesn�t expect to achieve until 2028 � but production is languishing at 1.2 to 1.3 boats annually because of labour shortages and industrial bottlenecks.

As part of AUKUS, Australian taxpayers will invest $US3 billion ($4.53 billion) to bolster the submarine industrial base, while the US will tip in a similar amount, although that funding is tied up in a political fight over other defence-related funding, such as US military aid to Ukraine.

any day now, our good friend the US will build us some submarines, they would never betray us

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DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

We've never getting those subs. The new owner is moving in.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-13/us-coast-guard-using-hobart-as-a-home-port-tas-govt/103576020

US Coast Guard using Hobart as a home port mentioned as 'emerging prospect' in Tasmanian government document.
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For anyone who needs a quick explanation Hobart is the southern most port in Australia, very far away from anything geopolitical except perhaps Antarctica.

Where is our navy in this future? Where indeed.

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Chonchon: Dec 16, 2013

drilldo squirt posted:

Bitch you better not be hating on dogs or I'm going to start being mean.

I ate dog once

It was awful

Everyone knows cats make better friends anyway

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NoNotTheMindProbe: Aug 9, 2010; pony porn was here

dogs eat any half edible poo poo they can find. eating dog would be like eating human

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Hubbert: Mar 25, 2007; At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Crazypoops posted:

Thinking about the third war the US is in now and how I feel like this would be the right time to stab

Slavvy posted:

... in the back?

it's called nordstream l o l

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BearsBearsBears: Aug 4, 2022

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

dogs eat any half edible poo poo they can find. eating dog would be like eating human

A lot of people think the same about pigs. Both pigs and dogs are well-recorded as eating human flesh on battlefields and a lot of soldiers swore off of eating pig during the Civil War because of this. I do have to respect an animal that I know would eat me if the tables were turned.

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Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

https://www.bramptonguardian.com/ne...de1d782ba9.html

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"Smart armoured vehicle” maker Roshel Inc. is expanding its operations in Brampton with a new production facility.

Roshel, already headquartered in Brampton, is building a new 140,000 square-foot facility that will be home to the company’s research and development division, in addition to painting, welding and mechanical operations.

The new $65 million facility will create 500 advanced manufacturing jobs, the company said.

“Roshel is excited to announce our pioneering expansion in the City of Brampton, highlighting our commitment to leading the industry through innovation and vertically-integrated manufacturing processes,” said Roshel CEO Roman Shimonov in a media release from the city.

“This initiative further cements our commitment to innovation and excellence in the sector, maintaining Roshel's position at the forefront of the industry. Our initiative will catalyze not just our growth, but also contribute significantly to the local economy by generating 500 new jobs,” he added.

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Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/wgdunlop/status/1767603551633650037?t=WY0mgVxTWqP8hB-EH0YeAw&s=19

Say what you will, this is appropriate on many, many levels.

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Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

DancingShade posted:

We've never getting those subs. The new owner is moving in.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-13/us-coast-guard-using-hobart-as-a-home-port-tas-govt/103576020

US Coast Guard using Hobart as a home port mentioned as 'emerging prospect' in Tasmanian government document.
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For anyone who needs a quick explanation Hobart is the southern most port in Australia, very far away from anything geopolitical except perhaps Antarctica.

Where is our navy in this future? Where indeed.

Pretty cool of the US coast guard to guard other people's coasts, what a nice bunch of guys

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DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Slavvy posted:

Pretty cool of the US coast guard to guard other people's coasts, what a nice bunch of guys

Everyone's coasts are US coasts. The locals just need to realise this.

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The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

that's good right

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DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

The Oldest Man posted:

that's good right

Nah its fine. So long as the enemy has 1950s technology or is a hollowed out vassal state that got too big for its booties all is perfectly okay.

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BrotherJayne: Nov 28, 2019

God I love tanks.

I think the Pz IV, late G to early H model is the bee's knees.

More tanks should have turret skirts, like those and the T-55AM2, it's just a great look

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crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

drilldo squirt posted:

You're literally a tankie.

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lol

# ? Mar 13, 2024 10:25

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

The Oldest Man posted:

that's good right

i'm sure it's fine and the radars are perfect all the time

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Zeppelin Insanity: Oct 28, 2009; Wahnsinn
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DancingShade posted:

At the moment. That price will only go up up up!

Remember being taught in school that under capitalism, the price of something goes down when more of it is produced?

# ? Mar 13, 2024 10:33

Kassad: Nov 12, 2005; It's about time.

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

Remember being taught in school that under capitalism, the price of something goes down when more of it is produced?

Stop blaspheming Number's holy name

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fizziester: Dec 21, 2023

drilldo squirt posted:

You're literally a tankie.

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Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

literally! LITERALLY a TANKIE

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Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

JESUS! gently caress!

# ? Mar 13, 2024 11:18

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

Remember being taught in school that under capitalism, the price of something goes down when more of it is produced?

Suggesting a decrease in shareholder value is heresy.

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Soapy_Bumslap: Jun 19, 2013; We're gonna need a bigger chode; Grimey Drawer

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DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

The location of [DELETED] throughout the document in places like �how accurate are Tomahawks?� and �does stealth work?� really builds confidence imo. They work so well it�s a secret.

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gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Regarde Aduck posted:

literally! LITERALLY a TANKIE

GET OUT NOW

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zetamind2000: Nov 6, 2007; ~~I'm an alien.~~

drilldo squirt posted:

You're literally a tankie.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_2T-Phz6FQ

# ? Mar 13, 2024 11:32

drilldo squirt: Aug 18, 2006; a beautiful, soft meat sack; Clapping Larry

Tankies are fascists wearing the skin of a real communist killed in a Stalin purge. Thank you for reading.

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# ? Mar 13, 2024 11:42

Livo: Dec 31, 2023

I'll quote my earlier AusPol post on the legal issues of AUKUS raised just a few months ago.

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It's a long but informative read from Nov 2023 so I won't post it all, just certain quotes, but uh, if the guy who helped write the ITAR export laws literally says it's not a good deal and there's major legal ramifications of businesses being criminally liable if they're not compliant, that's a wee bit concerning.

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/proposed-australian-export-law-meant-to-help-aukus-sharing-but-experts-are-sounding-alarms/

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�It looks like Australia just gave up its sovereignty and got nothing for it,� Bill Greenwalt, former US deputy undersecretary of Defense for industrial policy and one of America�s foremost experts on arms export laws and regulations, told Breaking Defense. He wrote many of the current laws governing both arms exports and defense acquisition while a congressional staff member.

�It appears that the Australians adopted the US export control system lock, stock and barrel, and everything I wrote about in my USSC (US Studies Center) piece in the 8 deadly sins of ITAR section will now apply to Australian innovation. I think they just put themselves back 50 years,� Greenwalt said in an email...

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The president of the Australian Academy of Science�s President, Chennupati Jagadish, said at a Monday night dinner that his organization may welcome closer cooperation between the AUKUS countries, but worries about the new law�s impact on collaboration with other countries.

�It says I can collaborate freely with the US and the UK � which certainly has its benefits � but I would require an approved permit prior to collaborating with other foreign nationals. Without it, my collaborations would see me jailed. So, it expands Australia�s backyard to include the US and the UK, but it raises the fence,� Jagadish said. He offered an example from his own experience of what might change. �For my research group, which consists entirely of PhD students, post-docs, technicians and senior researchers from countries other than the US and the UK, we will need permits for all that we do...

�Thus, I expect the incentives inherent in this draft will reverberate throughout the entire Australian innovation system and likely stifle interaction between the traditional defense industry and the more dynamic portions of the commercial industry to include future interactions with Silicon Valley in the US,� he said. �Why � because now in Australia � if this goes through � technology or knowledge whenever it touches defense, just like it does in the US, will forever taint that interaction. Commercial firms who are leading in tech development (say in quantum or autonomy) will have to make a decision to either entirely be a defense firm or a commercial one.�

That will be �compounded by criminalization. In the US system criminalization has a huge disincentive to move fast on anything as the lawyers take a very risk averse stance on when to do anything that might trigger an issue. Better just to not deal with DoD, and that is what smart companies do. That of course impacts the solutions available to defense,� the veteran acquisition expert said. �I expect this will happen in Australia as well with this proposal.�

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drilldo squirt: Aug 18, 2006; a beautiful, soft meat sack; Clapping Larry

I'm not reading all that.

# ? Mar 13, 2024 11:43

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

drilldo squirt posted:

Tankies are fascists wearing the skin of a real communist killed in a Stalin purge. Thank you for reading.

I always forget that Stalin was in charge in 1956 and 1968.

# ? Mar 13, 2024 11:46

drilldo squirt: Aug 18, 2006; a beautiful, soft meat sack; Clapping Larry

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I always forget that Stalin was in charge in 1956 and 1968.

He wasn't but I'm saying your fash hiding the fact.

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drilldo squirt: Aug 18, 2006; a beautiful, soft meat sack; Clapping Larry

Also a comment on how you garbage people love that mass murder stalin.

# ? Mar 13, 2024 11:48

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

drilldo squirt posted:

He wasn't but I'm saying your fash hiding the fact.

I don't know where my fash is hiding.

# ? Mar 13, 2024 11:49

Cookie Cutter: Nov 29, 2020; Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

It's hard when every other national figurehead is also a mass murderer alright, you just kind of have to go by vibes to decide which one is your fave, theres no other way to decide unfortunately

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drilldo squirt: Aug 18, 2006; a beautiful, soft meat sack; Clapping Larry

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I don't know where my fash is hiding.

Yep deflect because your an idiot with nothing real to defend yourself.

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