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Sancho Banana posted:tbf there are janitors in the pentagon, too. There's a line between "this act of violence is justified/understandable" and "every person harmed by this act of violence personally deserved it". The former doesn't always necessitate the latter. That's why context is key. agreed, yeah
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What I don't understand is the need for me to like or care about Israel? Why is that an expectation? I've never heard an argument for it, it's just assumed that I should sympathize with this foreign country, which, on top of being foreign, is actively evil. The zionist approach, Gelman is a good example, is being obnoxious and annoying but angry that people don't support - forget oppose - Zionism. Why should I?
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:What I don't understand is the need for me to like or care about Israel? Why is that an expectation? I've never heard an argument for it, it's just assumed that I should sympathize with this foreign country, which, on top of being foreign, is actively evil. The justification I hear most is, "But they're our ally!", to which I always respond: "We need to pick better, less genocidal friends".
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:What I don't understand is the need for me to like or care about Israel? Why is that an expectation? I've never heard an argument for it, it's just assumed that I should sympathize with this foreign country, which, on top of being foreign, is actively evil. as a troop it is kind of expected that when serving the colonial power, you would adhere it its goals
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:What I don't understand is the need for me to like or care about Israel? Why is that an expectation? I've never heard an argument for it, it's just assumed that I should sympathize with this foreign country, which, on top of being foreign, is actively evil. "The west is next".
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WoodrowSkillson posted:as a troop it is kind of expected that when serving the colonial power, you would adhere it its goals I have 754 reasons not to, plus Major Paeta Hess-Von Krudener.
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Sancho Banana posted:"Citizens in the north are reporting an earthquake" Did any temple curtains split down the middle
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Sancho Banana posted:"The west is next". oh thank god
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:What I don't understand is the need for me to like or care about Israel? Why is that an expectation? I've never heard an argument for it, it's just assumed that I should sympathize with this foreign country, which, on top of being foreign, is actively evil. i think the cornerstone of building complicity with genocide is not considering its victims as people, it often feels like being told a racist joke by a racist who then is puzzled why you aren't laughing at the obvious punchline e: that is to say, when you are propagandized they are also already assuming you agree, they wish to uncover and assure allies, not convert or persuade
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Sancho Banana posted:"The west is next". Good.
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Stalin ending the holocaust really pisses a lot of people off to the point of madness, huh?
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mags posted:i think the cornerstone of building complicity with genocide is not considering its victims as people, I think I follow, but as equally foreign countries, all considerations about who is being oppressed and clearly where the injustice lies aside, why should I see the Israelis as people and not the Palestinians? Wouldn't the assumption be that this is one of those "complex" situations in far away "troubled states" where liberals fret while their countries arm one side or the other, like Guyana, the Congo, etc. ?
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:What I don't understand is the need for me to like or care about Israel? Why is that an expectation? I've never heard an argument for it, it's just assumed that I should sympathize with this foreign country, which, on top of being foreign, is actively evil. The ostensible justification is "B/C the Holocaust." In reality it's that the west benefits from having a colony in the middle of where all the oil is.
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:The zionist approach, Gelman is a good example, is being obnoxious and annoying but angry that people don't support - forget oppose - Zionism. Zionists expect complete impunity and unquestioned loyalty. They haven't been getting it over the past five months and that makes them angry, because they're not used to being questioned by either Jewish or non-Jewish people. Thus, you get situations like Glazer's speech at the Oscars. Glazer being Jewish and opposing the genocide isn't what angered Zionists; it's the fact that Glazer and other celebrities felt comfortable enough to publicly question Israel/Zionism at the Oscars. Zionism rules by fear - fear of being labeled an "antisemite" or "dishonoring the Holocaust" if you oppose them. The minute people begin to realize that they don't have to fear reprisals, a lot of the Zionist project falls apart. It can't last because you can't maintain an iron grip on people forever. There are more of us who oppose Israel than there are AIPAC types. F_Shit_Fitzgerald has issued a correction as of 15:29 on Mar 13, 2024 |
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I also think, obviously Finkelstein and Mearsheimer wrote whole books on this, but they actively endanger the memory of the Holocaust. The slogan, for my entire life, when we went on a field trip to a synagogue and then later to the Holocaust museum was "never again". So, you can see why doing it again is a problem. In a lot of ways it reminds me of Americo-Liberians recreating plantations, segregation, ideas of racial supremacy etc. in Liberia. It doesn't take away from what previous generations had suffered in America, but it makes it clear that sympathy felt for them is not transferable to their descendants who have exchanged roles. In everything Israel does, not just recently, they obviously are more reminiscent of the perpetrators of the Holocaust than the victims. It seems clear to me that if you asked someone to reflect on the Holocaust, and sympathize with someone in this situation, it would be the Palestinians. How could it be otherwise?
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oct 7th was clearly justified as a political act, regardless of what one thinks of every incident related to it - there was no other plausible answer to israel's gaza policy than mass organised violence (demonstrated clearly by the failure of the great march of return and various UN-based projects), and that kind of thing is necessarily ugly. the israelis were banking on the palestinians not being able to pull off something like this, and based their entire strategy on that assumption; hamas proved them wrong and in so doing refuted the core of israeli strategy. this refutation has basically shattered the world-view of the israeli state, and that makes it very dangerous and vindictive - to it, an unmanageable gaza is unacceptable, and if a mere siege is not sufficient to make it manageable, then the population has to go somewhere else. if it cannot go to egypt, it may become clear that it has to go to the grave. thus the present campaign of ethnic cleansing could at any time become a campaign of outright extermination. DJJIB-DJDCT posted:What I don't understand is the need for me to like or care about Israel? Why is that an expectation? I've never heard an argument for it, it's just assumed that I should sympathize with this foreign country, which, on top of being foreign, is actively evil. it's the tip of the imperial spear. a world without israel is one in which the US geopolitical stature is weakened. US gepolitical stature is assumed to be a good thing per se, the absolute good and the measure of all other things, because the alternatives are a more equitable distribution of global power, which would mean reduced purchasing power and much sharpened conflicts in our own societies as imperialist superprofits dry up. the israelis are like Us. they're Our front-line garrison.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-13/uk-defense-chief-grant-shapps-blocks-gaza-aid-drops-over-civilian-risk Grant Shapps Blocks UK Aid Drops in Gaza Over Risk to Civilians quote:Defense Secretary Grant Shapps has prevented British aid drops over the Gaza Strip due to concerns about the risk to civilians, people familiar with the matter said, underscoring the challenges facing allied efforts to get supplies into the war zone.
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"Oh darn, we tried giving you aid but you started whining about our food drops killing people so now you get nothing."
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Al-Saqr posted:finally got permamently suspended from twitter after months of throwing abuse, insults, slurs and 'death to israel' and 'shut up collaborationist dog fucker' at everyone i can. I think I speak for everyone here when I say the information you were pulling off twitter and posting here was extremely relevant and you deserve a lot of thanks.
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Good on South Africa. https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1767902179984028085?s=20
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Godlessdonut posted:Good on South Africa. cool hopefully every country does this naturally demonic western nations wont
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Sancho Banana posted:tbf there are janitors in the pentagon, too. There's a line between "this act of violence is justified/understandable" and "every person harmed by this act of violence personally deserved it". The former doesn't always necessitate the latter. That's why context is key. No one gets what they deserve, least of all the architects of the global terror system known as the "rules-based order." What matters isn't judgments of individual moral worth, but how to dismantle that system.
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to the surprise of no one, the collaborationist Palestinian Authority wants to be included in the 'aid delivery' efforts america is doing and theres reports that the mukhabarat dogs of abbas and the PA are trying to coordinate with the israelis to try and build a local puppet militia. https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024...31607;&%231575;
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Godlessdonut posted:Good on South Africa. They shouldn’t wait, SA has special forces, go find these criminals.
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V. Illych L. posted:oct 7th was clearly justified as a political act, regardless of what one thinks of every incident related to it - there was no other plausible answer to israel's gaza policy than mass organised violence (demonstrated clearly by the failure of the great march of return and various UN-based projects), and that kind of thing is necessarily ugly. the israelis were banking on the palestinians not being able to pull off something like this, and based their entire strategy on that assumption; hamas proved them wrong and in so doing refuted the core of israeli strategy. Yep
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Al-Saqr posted:to the surprise of no one, the collaborationist Palestinian Authority wants to be included in the 'aid delivery' efforts america is doing and theres reports that the mukhabarat dogs of abbas and the PA are trying to coordinate with the israelis to try and build a local puppet militia. yeah a 0% approval vichy government that has no control outside a building in ramallah this is sure to work
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V. Illych L. posted:the israelis are like Us. I suppose this is the sticking point for me. Has anyone read The Holocaust Averted: An Alternate History of American Jewry, 1938-1967? I've been meaning to, and it seems pretty relevant. Let me preface by saying this was a very well reviewed book. I say that, because as I write this post, it seems loving crazy. I cannot imagine just coming out and saying some of the things the author does and nobody batting an eye: Description posted:The increasingly popular genre of "alternative histories" has captivated audiences by asking questions like "what if the South had won the Civil War?" Such speculation can be instructive, heighten our interest in a topic, and shed light on accepted history. In The Holocaust Averted, Jeffrey Gurock imagines what might have happened to the Jewish community in the United States if the Holocaust had never occurred and forces readers to contemplate how the road to acceptance and empowerment for today's American Jews could have been harder than it actually was. What troubles me is the assumption that the popularity of Zionism is related to the vibrancy of Jewish communities in the diaspora. I'm more troubled that the murder of millions of Jews was worth it for the "acceptance and empowerment" of American Jews. Some of the passages found at the end of chapters, titled What Really Happened, stating whatever lesson was supposed to be learned through the counterfactual are pretty disturbing. For instance, imagining a Six Day War where the US does not provide military aid for Israel and so the Egyptians and Syrians are able to hold on to Gaza, Jerusalem, the West Bank, Sinai and Golan, the author says: What Really Happened posted:For American Jews, the Suez Crisis constituted a real challenge in their relationship with the White House and State Department. Arguably the low point in America’s relationship with the Jewish state, this was the first time that the United States appeared to be siding with Israel’s enemies. Though no strong public protests ensued against U.S. policy, American Jewish leaders who were fully supportive of their brethren in Israel advocated strongly in political and governmental circles, showing no fear of being accused of dual loyalty. In fact, when Dulles intimated that the United States might support sanctions against Israel for its lack of alacrity in withdrawal, there was talk in Jewish ranks in America of a general strike. Such a development never occurred, however, as Congress opposed sanctions deleterious to Israel. If the premise of the book is that the Holocaust needed to happen for these outcomes... I mean, Christ. It's like an admission that absent the Holocaust the bolded parts are, to put it mildly, pretty hosed up in a variety of ways. I saved the best for last, and I am genuinely struggling here: Conclusion: Alternate History and the Realities of American Jewish Life posted:This dark, counterfactual vision of American Jewry has shone a bright light on actual history. The somber hues in this portrayal depict a community that from the 1930s through the mid-1960s was far from fully at home in contemporary America, distant from other Jews, disconnected with its past, and uncertain whether it had a future. In my alternate history, the long-term processes of disintegration of Jewish identity among men and women who were generations removed from their parents’ immigrant roots intensified. Dissociation was encouraged in an America that withheld full acceptance while strongly suggesting that strict conformity to its way of life was required for achieving social equality. Unyielding feelings that their neighbors could not be fully trusted persisted, and the feeling was mutual. Weighted down with anxieties and uncertainties, American Jews habitually found themselves looking over their shoulders at the Christians around them, worried that their own political allegiances would be questioned. Such dilemmas—arising from unfavorable domestic governmental policies and social circumstances—precluded them from making statements or acting in ways that might have indicated loyalty to any country other than their adopted American land. Their endemic reticence in a largely intolerant society also deterred them from championing the causes of others, most notably African Americans, who were much further away from full equality than were Jews. Only a minority of the ideologically committed stood apart, at their own substantial risk, in a community where a cadre of leaders made sure that American Jews always were seen as unquestionably patriotic. Frequently, those in charge mounted public demonstrations of how patriotic and acculturated American Jews were. The list of speakers at these “unity gatherings” was monitored carefully to silence those who might articulate any alternate vision of what it meant to be an American and a Jew. When telling the history of American Jews, a standardized, sanitized narrative was the order of the day. The lionized cast of characters included those who made contributions to the growth of the nation. Emphasizing with great defensiveness the inexorable ties between Jews and the United States, every effort was made to avoid mentioning any discouraging words about three hundred years of Jewish life in America.  I'm sorry, but it seems like he's saying the Holocaust was good - like seriously, it was a good thing - because it allowed the US Jewish community to lobby for Israel and to - again, I apologize, but what else can you say? - practice dual loyalty without being accused of it. That's his takeaway of the Holocaust? He's also pretty loving disturbingly opposed to Jewish people actually becoming American. If dual loyalty is an antisemitic trope, I don't know how to square his disgust at Jewish Americans who are actually American. It appears throughout, from a quick skim, not just those passages. I skipped over the long sections praising the Jewish "refugees" from the USSR, but his praise for them seems to focus on two things: they hated communism, and they rejected mixing with the American population or adopting any American culture. That's pretty hosed up. I don't know how representative this book is, but as I said it was very well reviewed, and if it represents even a small part of the Zionist ideology, it's some absolute sicko poo poo.  Imagine writing a book where the Holocaust never happened and describing it as dark and dystopian. DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 16:10 on Mar 13, 2024 |
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Grem posted:I think I speak for everyone here when I say the information you were pulling off twitter and posting here was extremely relevant and you deserve a lot of thanks. hey man thanks i will still post news but im done with twitter, its actively destroying my emotional state and makes me super sad and depressed all the time, its too much. im glad they suspended me its time to turn off that poison swamp. i dont regret any insults and death threats i threw at people they deserved it. from now on ill be posting updates from aljazeeras website. much healthier that way for my state of mind. Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 16:15 on Mar 13, 2024 |
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Al-Saqr posted:finally got permamently suspended from twitter after months of throwing abuse, insults, slurs and 'death to israel' and 'shut up collaborationist dog fucker' at everyone i can. congrats on the normal
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Nonsense posted:They shouldn’t wait, SA has special forces, go find these criminals. Nazi Hunters: The Next Generation
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speng31b posted:congrats on the normal
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speng31b posted:congrats on the normal  Thanks for the updates and your perspective these past 5 months, Al-Saqr.
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congrats for being rid of x, the everything app
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Godlessdonut posted:Nazi Hunters: The Next Generation Reboots all the way down these days
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No one that posts on somethingawful can ever truly be normal ever again, but getting off of Twitter is a good start in the right direction.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:the nation had it coming, not the janitor in the trade center that got vaporized by an airliner while making minimum wage You don't know that, he could have been a straight up a hole
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I said come in! posted:No one that posts on somethingawful can ever truly be normal ever again, but getting off of Twitter is a good start in the right direction. If you post more than 7 times you're considered legally insane
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