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It's understood by the BG to be a comprehensive library of ancestral memories. It could be a very specific schizophrenia, transmigrated souls, time nonsense, subconsciously manifested urges, personification of genetic programming, or any of a thousand other things. Possession and abomination as depicted in Children was a thing in the zeitgeist, with past lives and channeled entities being a big deal in New Age. It's fine.
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Beyond the Black Rainbow: secret Dune film?
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Mar 13, 2024 16:31
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Other Memory also left me with the feeling that it was an actual literal place or dimension that could be accessed, not just each person holding a repository of everyone who came before them in genetic memory. And prescience is part of that same space but with a different perspective. It's been rather a while since I read it but I seem to recall Paul actually "talks" with Leto II through their shared prescience/access to Other Memory right after Leto and Ghanima are born, like it's a room the two of them can step into and have a brief side conversation that nobody else notices. So it's also a little bit like the Akashic Records or some other kind of magic soul library, but anyone but a Kwisatz Haderach has limited access.
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Mar 13, 2024 16:41
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priznat posted:Beyond the Black Rainbow: secret Dune film? Villain is: ☑️ bald ☑️ in black leather coat ☑️ insane ☑️ has a knife ☑️ represents juiced up Cold War anxiety ☑️ trying to create a psychic overman through hard drugs + unorthodox child rearing practices Yeah why not tbh
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Mar 13, 2024 16:44
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Real talk I would watch a Dune spinoff by Panos Cosmatos. It would be wild poo poo.
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priznat posted:Real talk I would watch a Dune spinoff by Panos Cosmatos. It would be wild poo poo. Give him Heretics. The extended hypnobong sequence will be lit
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skasion posted:Give him Heretics. The extended hypnobong sequence will be lit Oh hell yeah. I really liked his recent Netflix episode in that GdT cabinet of curiosities anthology show. He needs more work!
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disposablewords posted:Other Memory also left me with the feeling that it was an actual literal place or dimension that could be accessed, not just each person holding a repository of everyone who came before them in genetic memory. And prescience is part of that same space but with a different perspective. It's been rather a while since I read it but I seem to recall Paul actually "talks" with Leto II through their shared prescience/access to Other Memory right after Leto and Ghanima are born, like it's a room the two of them can step into and have a brief side conversation that nobody else notices. So it's also a little bit like the Akashic Records or some other kind of magic soul library, but anyone but a Kwisatz Haderach has limited access. Yeah the later books imply a lot of BG/KH stuff is explicitly paranatural instead of just being ludicrous body control and speed historical materialism
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There's definitely a point where, for example, the BG's mastery of body language gives way to literal telepathy. But since this is all hogwash, it's subjective.
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I think it's fair to say that Dune starts as hard sci-fi and then gradually adds woo elements until you're in full blown space fantasy. It's cool but people definitely get weird about changing lanes.
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always viciously hard in the politics, always viciously woo in the science-qua-science then again, politics is a lot more eternal than science has been. we kept like 0.1% of the ancient greeks' science but every single bit of the ancient greeks politics remains relevant for learning about modern politics
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Dune was never hard sci-fi at any point. "Every bit of ancient Greek politics is relevant today" is one of those wise statements that's true in a way that's devoid of real meaning.
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I feel like once you reach a certain point in sufficiently advanced science it feels basically like magic. I think Arthur C. Clark had a quote about that... Oh, right! "Reading computer manuals without the hardware is as frustrating as reading sex manuals without the software." What a wise man.
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Mar 13, 2024 17:59
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He was “reading” sex Manuels all right in his later years 
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using the voice on my cat to try and make him get off the desk it worked!!!
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Toxic Mental posted:using the voice on my cat to try and make him get off the desk I'm pretty sure whenever my cat presses his head against mine he's stealing my memories. I'm not getting anything but I think that's working as intended.
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Bene gesserit: Think they rule everything, great fighters, great companions, always headbutting things. Are the BG actually cats???
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Flinger posted:Bene gesserit: Think they rule everything, great fighters, great companions, always headbutting things. Are the BG actually cats??? Meowing at you to feed them is just using the Voice
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Mar 13, 2024 19:22
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A cat always landing on his feet is what you call pussy space magic
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strange fascination with boxes, also
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Anne Frank Funk posted:He was “reading” sex Manuels all right in his later years gross, who even reads? i just have moneo read all my sexy manuels while i lounge dicklessly on my cart bed
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm not surprised this is the point where a lot of people peace out. My point is, Frank Herbert was a Republican and this is what those people are actually like when they have no filter. I wouldn't necessarily say Herbert was a republican and more a specifically West Coast, ecologically small c conservative oddjob that really only existed between 1945 and 1970. He praised Nixon for reminding Americans to never trust politicians. He was a kinda horrible person to his loved ones tho.
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My PIN is 4826 posted:strange fascination with boxes, also put your hand inside the box what's in the box Pain. It checks out
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Frank Herbert was a Republican. He was employed by the Republican Party and worked on several Republican campaigns over the course of at least a few years.
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may thy fragile knick knacks easily batted off the shelf chip and shatter.
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Frank Herbert was both absolutely a serious Republican and these days would probably be considered a center-left Democrat because he acknowledges things like "climate change is an actual thing that can happen" and "The horrible fat pedophile is probably not a great choice for a leader."
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Shageletic posted:I wouldn't necessarily say Herbert was a republican and more a specifically West Coast, ecologically small c conservative oddjob that really only existed between 1945 and 1970.
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The key to understanding these hippie conservative sci fi writers is that they were all white men born in the early twentieth century. They believed whatever mishmash of ideas made them feel cool and smart, and they had the talent to make them seem cool and smart, even when they were heartless and contemptibly stupid. See also: Ronald Reagan.
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m'young pup....
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Halloween Jack posted:The key to understanding these hippie conservative sci fi writers is that they were all white men born in the early twentieth century. They believed whatever mishmash of ideas made them feel cool and smart, and they had the talent to make them seem cool and smart, even when they were heartless and contemptibly stupid. See also: Ronald Reagan. Heinlein's big list of "things a human should be able to do" that could be shortened down to, "Have my life experiences."
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Paul: "I'm not in the mood." Gurney wearing a "you laugh because i'm different" tshirt: "Mood’s a thing for SHEEP or for the act of euuuugh COITUS which I can't PERFORM because the Harkonnens CIRCUMSIZED me! THEY"RE BRUTAL!" Paul: "ummmm"
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Halloween Jack posted:The key to understanding these hippie conservative sci fi writers is that they were all white men born in the early twentieth century. They believed whatever mishmash of ideas made them feel cool and smart, and they had the talent to make them seem cool and smart, even when they were heartless and contemptibly stupid. See also: Ronald Reagan.
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Halloween Jack posted:Frank Herbert was a Republican. He was employed by the Republican Party and worked on several Republican campaigns over the course of at least a few years. Ok?
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dunctoo... was ok not very special and not as good as the first part too many too similar battles at least 0.5-1h could have been cut
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Not a Republican in 1965 having antiquated views on sexuality
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"talk about sex" in 1965 was the idiosyncratic progressive position, despite the homophobia and the creepiness
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Halloween Jack posted:The key to understanding these hippie conservative sci fi writers is that they were all white men born in the early twentieth century. They believed whatever mishmash of ideas made them feel cool and smart, and they had the talent to make them seem cool and smart, even when they were heartless and contemptibly stupid. See also: Ronald Reagan. Lol come on now, this would be a completely unexceptionable remark to make about virtually any writer in any social context. Especially right after throwing shade for saying things that sound profound until you think about it. Bold bit explains Delany or Lem or Leguin or Mary W Shelley with the same facility as it explains En-hedu-ana. People communicate their points of view as a self-affirmation? Well I never!
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