|
Zeppelin Insanity posted:This might have been posted in the Ukraine thread, but as part of NATO and an important part of the US losing World War 3, it's worth posting here. I appreciate the attempts to shoot around the patches and tattoos the Ukrainian soldiers might be rocking but there's a quick shot of the gun shield on the pintle mount, and I'm assuming this is less than chill  e: Okay, the machine gun thing. For those who don't know, maybe even guys in the military who haven't worked at a training establishment, when you're crawling under barbed wire with machine guns firing "right over your head", the machine guns are actually fixed to fire way, like 10 metres, above your head, with a berm between you and the gun as well. The tracers, and the novelty make it seem like if you stick your head up you'll get shot - but it's actually really safe. So when I see this,  Whoever "trained the trainer" severely hosed up. Also later in the video when they set part of the range on fire but didn't put it out. DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 01:42 on Mar 14, 2024 |
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 01:35
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 11:53 |
|
|
Chonchon posted:is this an accurate portrait of the american liberal in yool 2024 They think we're morally equivalent to neo nazis (domestic ones) and thus not worth thinking about, even stuff like "gee sure seems like we keep telling Ukraine to launch huge offensives even though they never go anywhere"
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 01:39
|
|
|
DJJIB-DJDCT posted:I appreciate the attempts to shoot around the patches and tattoos the Ukrainian soldiers might be rocking but there's a quick shot of the gun shield on the pintle mount, and I'm assuming this is less than chill Too generic, could be nothing, could be sich nazis.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 01:44
|
|
|
 Add to that he gets tangled up in his radio with his finger on the trigger, among other, incredibly dangerous errors, and there's negative training value. You're not just not teaching good habits, you're passing along an extreme laxity towards safety. And, the gulf between "Machine gun is firmly secured in a fixed frame so that it will not move at all while firing overhead" and "loosely controlled, single hand, far away from the body, which wouldn't even be allowed on a pistol range" is pretty loving huge too.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 01:45
|
|
|
So this is the boot camp the 45 year old Ukrainian officer workers train for 3 weeks before they get shipped to the front line? Amazing report from the Sun.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 01:53
|
|
|
Chonchon posted:is this an accurate portrait of the american liberal in yool 2024 It's been like that since 2022. You're lucky to have somehow avoided the NAFO posts.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 01:57
|
|
|
Danann posted:It's been like that since 2022. You're lucky to have somehow avoided the NAFO posts. safely ensconced in the biosphere collapse thread where no lib dares venture
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 02:14
|
|
|
that video is funny for being a promo for glorious nato arms. Ignoring all the issues of the training they emphasize how the tank can fire really amazingly far (for a tank), but the thing that makes it a tank as opposed to lovely artillery it's actually bad at (moving). It gets stuck easily, has maintenance problems, and parts are hard to find. I'm sure with enough billions in funding they can figure this out eventually or maybe the Russians will agree to some honorable tank duels in a dry flat environment.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 02:31
|
|
|
https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2024/03/12/as-dfacs-close-at-fort-carson-empty-food-kiosks-leave-soldiers-hungry/quote:militarytimes.com what if the troops become more malnourished and starving than before because even more cuts were made to the threadbare food services
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 02:45
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/gonglei89/status/1767844297163063692 Taiwan's hyping itself up to be relieved by US wunderwaffen.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 03:43
|
|
|
Taiwan only viable defense strategy is "hope the Chinese don't realize amphibious invasions are really loving hard"
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 03:45
|
|
|
They are quoting English language stuff and I presume worldwide that anything English language tends to be more aligned with Western sickos. How much does that reflect the reality of Taiwan? I know the Taiwan party friendly to China didn't do well in the recent elections, but I also heard they had their own problems aside from that. Not that the majority opinion necessarily matters in these things (it seems like majority Ukrainian pre-war opinion was peace with Russia), but does Taiwan really have the kind of motivated minority that can drag the country to war like Ukraine did? Like in Ukraine there were business/professional interests that were anti-Russia as part of being pro-EU, but it's not like Taiwan has any trade alternatives sitting on its doorstep.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 04:13
|
|
|
Chonchon posted:is this an accurate portrait of the american liberal in yool 2024 Alternative ideas make brain hurty. Brain hurty bad. Therefore, alternative ideas are bad along with anyone who holds them.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 05:16
|
|
|
Danann posted:https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2024/03/12/as-dfacs-close-at-fort-carson-empty-food-kiosks-leave-soldiers-hungry/ The soldiers can just boil the bits of their boots still made of leather into a thin soup. Solved. Edit - sprinkle a little barracks black mold into the broth for extra flavour. DancingShade has issued a correction as of 05:36 on Mar 14, 2024 |
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 05:24
|
|
|
StashAugustine posted:Taiwan only viable defense strategy is "hope the Chinese don't realize amphibious invasions are really loving hard" i thought it was "hope that the errant twitches in the carcass of american hegemony deter china from invading indefinitely and then china just collapses on its own somehow" or "be costly enough to invade that china is willing to cut some kind of Hong Kong style deal and allow some autonomy"
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 05:40
|
|
|
Chonchon posted:is this an accurate portrait of the american liberal in yool 2024 there isn't an outlet anymore if you're a lib in 2024 except to attack that which you don't agree with
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 06:40
|
|
|
StashAugustine posted:Taiwan only viable defense strategy is "hope the Chinese don't realize amphibious invasions are really loving hard" cock hero flux posted:i thought it was "hope that the errant twitches in the carcass of american hegemony deter china from invading indefinitely and then china just collapses on its own somehow" china can beat taiwan without a single pla soldier stepping foot on the drat island. taiwan imports like 95% of its energy needs, so all china really has to do is implement a blockade and wait until the lights go off so basically the strategy is to hope that the us navy can keep the shipping lanes to taiwan open when china is putting all its military and industrial might towards closing them, which seems somewhat questionable since they can't even keep the red sea open for traffic when one of the poorest countries in the world decided to close it
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 07:00
|
|
|
DJJIB-DJDCT posted:I appreciate the attempts to shoot around the patches and tattoos the Ukrainian soldiers might be rocking but there's a quick shot of the gun shield on the pintle mount, and I'm assuming this is less than chill the trainer trained on the half life opposing force bootcamp.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 07:07
|
|
|
The China strategy is that somehow China attacks like a slavering mad rabies crazed dog rather than continue to act rationally and do very little, continue making friends across the world, etc, thus winning by default. Every year that goes past the empire crumbles a bit more. "We're gonna beat you!" I shake my fist at the ocean from my sand castle.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 07:08
|
|
|
FuzzySlippers posted:They are quoting English language stuff and I presume worldwide that anything English language tends to be more aligned with Western sickos. How much does that reflect the reality of Taiwan? I know the Taiwan party friendly to China didn't do well in the recent elections, but I also heard they had their own problems aside from that. Not that the majority opinion necessarily matters in these things (it seems like majority Ukrainian pre-war opinion was peace with Russia), but does Taiwan really have the kind of motivated minority that can drag the country to war like Ukraine did? Like in Ukraine there were business/professional interests that were anti-Russia as part of being pro-EU, but it's not like Taiwan has any trade alternatives sitting on its doorstep. no one is going to fall for the "ruin your first world lives for massive white sun slava."
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 07:13
|
|
|
Tankbuster posted:the trainer trained on the half life opposing force bootcamp. still doing the part where we shoot the recruit in the chest to show how protective their powered combat vests are even though we don't hand out batteries since only about 50 are made a year
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 07:14
|
|
|
The biggest issue the PRC has with the situation is the ROC dissolving and Taiwan declaring independence, but the latest elections showed the populace really isn't into it and even if the DPP controls the presidency, they are going to need the legislative branch which they just lost. For Beijing, if the net result is relative paralysis and gridlock, it innately benefits them because not only is the PRC getting relatively stronger, but Taiwan only gets more enmeshed into the Chinese economy. The US going to pump up a battle over Taiwan, but it is slowly going in the other direction. It is perhaps when they are going after Tiktok, they got to do something. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 09:03 on Mar 14, 2024 |
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 08:50
|
|
|
The whole Taiwan topic can happily go on without resolution for decades, at which time it will be a wholly moot point due to decay of empire. It will be like modern day Britain flexing its one shrivelled muscle in the Red Sea, ever so briefly.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 08:58
|
|
|
The pro Independent DPP already has said they are "already independent actually" and not seeking change of constitution or a referendum (neither will be allowed by the US overlord anyway, but they are saying this themselves). OTOH, DPP still has the "seek independence" phrase in their party constitution and they have said they are not going to remove it either. So this party is a contradiction of a party. So, some kind of showdown between Beijing and Taipei in the next 4 years? Seem high. Better to confront this separatist movement when DPP is the ruling party than when KMT take back the presidency. Again, KMT is not seeking unification. It's 90% "pro status quote" party and 10% pro unification.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 09:06
|
|
|
DJJIB-DJDCT posted:It kills me that this is the narrative people have latched onto. Yeah people forget that the Renault FT first hit the battlefield in 1917 but continued to see action right up until the end of the Chinese civil war. The Taliban even had a few lying around at the start of the forever war.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 09:08
|
|
|
Acting like an older model weapon isn't still a threat as the blood crazed visigoths charge your important business meeting where everyone wears fine Italian wool and chinks French champagne flutes. Just enough time to scoff "Swords? Those are obsolete!" before getting cut down. The attendees in fine NATO dress uniforms whine that they don't have a key to the armory and also the bullets are kept at another base for safety purposes.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 09:35
|
|
|
what's it say about your side if the enemy supposedly only uses obsolete garbage and they're still handily kicking your rear end?
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 09:41
|
|
|
Cerebral Bore posted:what's it say about your side if the enemy supposedly only uses obsolete garbage and they're still handily kicking your rear end? Isn't that the whole human waves/they are just throwing equipment at us narrative?
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 09:44
|
|
|
well, what's it say about you if you have all the advantages and still get your rear end kicked by some dudes running at you with shovels?
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 09:54
|
|
|
Old tanks suck, but even older men fighting in your army is nice.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 10:01
|
|
|
Does it really count as winning if you do it in such a gauche way
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 10:03
|
|
|
It only counts as winning if you do a double backflip while doing it. (brief interval) Okay now it only counts as winning if you do a triple backflip while doing it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 10:21
|
|
|
Cerebral Bore posted:well, what's it say about you if you have all the advantages and still get your rear end kicked by some dudes running at you with shovels? It says that the enemy are barbarians and zombies, who do not value their own lives, and even if there is a temporary setback due to infinite numbers it will inevitably lead to collapse, and you will triumph because of your will. It also says they are subhuman, and therefore attacking civilians is morally correct, one should not fear escalation, and overall it is a good crusade everyone should get involved in.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 10:34
|
|
|
cock hero flux posted:or "be costly enough to invade that china is willing to cut some kind of Hong Kong style deal and allow some autonomy" lol the official plan for reunification that the CPC has held for decades allows for Taiwan to continue to maintain *their own army* after integration.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 11:30
|
|
|
Orange Devil posted:lol the official plan for reunification that the CPC has held for decades allows for Taiwan to continue to maintain *their own army* after integration. Remember when the Russian insistence that Ukraine take back the Donbas and Luhansk was unacceptable to Ukraine?
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 12:16
|
|
|
What Deng offered to Taiwan was a loose confederation type union, maybe like what Canada is to the US, or Canada was to the UK when they still had queen on their money. Taiwan/ROC would only need to give up diplomacy and probably the navy and they get to keep local government elections and law and everything else. They have to call themselves Chinese of course. The only time Taiwan had a realistic chance to take rhis deal was when little Chiang was still alive and the KMT was the one-party rule government. Once the US turned it around into a local vs outsider democracy, it was too late to negotiated a (peaceful) unification. The US made Chiang give up passing the rule to his son with a Khashoghi type scandal. Except the murder happened in the US not in a Turkey Embassy. So yeah, the Democrats definitely wanted to overthrow MBS with a murder scandal and turn Saudi into a much easier to influence political system. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 12:21 on Mar 14, 2024 |
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 12:17
|
|
|
Getting back to the M109, it isn't a fundamentally flawed design or anything besides its obvious parts issue (which...uh is actually a big issue if the US wants to use more than the latest variant). But otherwise, it is generally outranged using comparable ammunition by the Soviet-era Msta-S (39 v 47 caliber gun) and by Koalitsiya-SV which has a 16 round per minute firing rate (although it looks like also a 47 caliber gun as well or at least very close to it). The Koalitsiya-SV is in series production at the moment, and honestly, the Russians just have better SPGs wit more access to ammo, including precision rounds. The M109 isn't junk but it isn't a SPG that is making them shake in their boots either, especially if the US can't put them out of the battlefield to the extent they need to a lack of spare parts. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 12:49 on Mar 14, 2024 |
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 12:39
|
|
|
Russia using old stockpiles means Russia is losing badly. It is self-evident. Also, let's check in on Mr. Challenger 2's page at The Sun. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26178425/putin-forced-freshly-baked-missiles-blast-ukraine-arsenal-dwindles/ quote:ROUT OF STOCK Huge blow to Putin as tyrant forced to use ‘freshly baked’ missiles to blast Ukraine as his arsenal dwindles People have gotten so twisted into believing that 90s upgrades of 70s-80s designs are wunderwaffe that they now have to claim using systems introduced 6 months ago is evidence of losing.
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 12:40
|
|
|
Ardennes posted:Getting back to the M109, it isn't a fundamentally flawed design or anything besides its obvious parts issue (which...uh is actually a big issue if the US wants to use more than the latest variant). The Koalitsiya is pitched as using a microwave ignition system. FF, what does that actually mean? It sounds like some wunderwaffe brained thinking. What practical benefits does it have? Is it something the West has experimented with, or are they only enamored with trying to make liquid propellants work? Also, my understanding is that barrel heat is the real limit to rate of fire, not loading, right? So a high fire rate gun isn't a fundamentally difficult challenge, you just need a good autoloader, but that doesn't mean you get to sustain that speed?
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 12:43
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 11:53 |
|
|
Zeppelin Insanity posted:Russia using old stockpiles means Russia is losing badly. It is self-evident. This is just an example of narrative shifting between different media outlets. There was an article a few days ago about how retrofited 1.5k pound soviet bombs with a glide system were now a wunderwaffe that was destroying ukraine. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/europe/russian-guided-bomb-ukraine-frontline-intl/index.html
|
|
#
?
Mar 14, 2024 12:50
|
|
