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Professor Beetus posted:None of y'all remember the cat dance? Badger badger badger? Salad fingers? These were things that entertained most of us when we were grown rear end adults or at least close I mean I don’t disagree fully but a lot of that stuff was creative and something different. Plus a bunch of those newgrounds artists went on to be bigger artists and or make shows of their own. The ones I hate are the content farms that poo poo out crap that steals from other artists or creators to make weird dumb lazy poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6xsF3-aB8c
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Staluigi posted:Put your betting odds then. Like the amount of money you'd wager for real that they don't Please don't, goons don't understand betting odds
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Failed Imagineer posted:Please don't, goons don't understand betting odds I want to cover the money line with the under/over via spread parlay.
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Nervous posted:I want to cover the money line with the under/over via spread parlay. Yeah, that's what happens when you're nervous
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There's a pretty qualitative difference between rock and roll, TV, early internet etc. and modern electronics. Kids have their entire lives on electronics today. Socializing takes place on social media, play takes place on an app, communicating is on a smart phone, and huge amounts by text. They'll send TikToks to each other for voice and stuff but it's not the majority. Seriously, if you have a kid just listen for an evening how often they actually talk directly with another living person their age. Listening to YouTube's doesn't count. poo poo's wild and way different from previous human experience.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I mean I don’t disagree fully but a lot of that stuff was creative and something different. Plus a bunch of those newgrounds artists went on to be bigger artists and or make shows of their own. The ones I hate are the content farms that poo poo out crap that steals from other artists or creators to make weird dumb lazy poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6xsF3-aB8c Also Newgrounds content was simplistic because it was being made by actual teens, as opposed to procedurally generated YouTube sludge.
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bird food bathtub posted:Seriously, if you have a kid just listen for an evening how often they actually talk directly with another living person their age. Listening to YouTube's doesn't count. poo poo's wild and way different from previous human experience. My niece and nephew went all-virtual for school with covid and never went back in person, and afaik their social lives have gone entirely digital. They're good kids, but I'm wondering what effect this is going to have in the long run for their social lives.
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shoeberto posted:My niece and nephew went all-virtual for school with covid and never went back in person, and afaik their social lives have gone entirely digital. They're good kids, but I'm wondering what effect this is going to have in the long run for their social lives. Number's gonna go up 
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https://twitter.com/SenFettermanPA/status/1767637753137656163 I don’t see it being the motivation for every politician voting for the Tiktok poo poo but Fetterman’s 180 on Tiktok is deffo Palestine-related 
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mawarannahr posted:Number's gonna go up i can believe it. i wouldnt be shocked if some of it was also related to people working from home more. I work from home fulltime and because of hours, i dont get out much outside the weekends, alot of my friend circles are discord groups and a couple close irl friends. but i am also a goon. SaTaMaS posted:Also Newgrounds content was simplistic because it was being made by actual teens, as opposed to procedurally generated YouTube sludge. this. like yeah there was lots of trash on newgrounds that rotted my brain, but i am pretty sure blowing way to much time on encyclopida dramatic did me worse then idk homestarrunner. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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I feel conflicted on stuff like this because, yeah I watched a lot of brain rotting newgrounds-esque stuff when I was a kid in the 00's, and spent basically all of my free time on the internet, and I don't wanna tell my kids they can't do those things and be a hypocrite. But it WAS different then. That kind of content wasn't practically infinite like it is today, there were really only a handful of flash animators in the grand scheme of things. And even just incidentally you did learn computer skills by hanging out on the internet, how to navigate computer controls and the internet at large, problem solving when the inevitable Vista errors got between you and RuneScape. I'm not saying it was good for us, but there were more positives than 'Press app icon and have a flood of garbage beamed into your eyeballs for hours'. Not to mention, newgrounds and similar sites were created by artists or other nerds as a place to create and share, whereas Tiktok/YouTube/IG Reels (lol) are engineered to get you hooked into a dopamine rush feedback loop The creators on those platforms know that and absolutely aim to take advantage of that especially with children. Websites for sharing creative content made typically by and for dumb kids and teenagers to laugh at while at the computer after school is quite different from apps designed to addict children and serve them the most brainrotting content possible, even if the content itself is not so different between the two.
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dweepus posted:I feel conflicted on stuff like this because, yeah I watched a lot of brain rotting newgrounds-esque stuff when I was a kid in the 00's, and spent basically all of my free time on the internet, and I don't wanna tell my kids they can't do those things and be a hypocrite. But it WAS different then. That kind of content wasn't practically infinite like it is today, there were really only a handful of flash animators in the grand scheme of things. And even just incidentally you did learn computer skills by hanging out on the internet, how to navigate computer controls and the internet at large, problem solving when the inevitable Vista errors got between you and RuneScape. I'm not saying it was good for us, but there were more positives than 'Press app icon and have a flood of garbage beamed into your eyeballs for hours'. Not to mention, newgrounds and similar sites were created by artists or other nerds as a place to create and share, whereas Tiktok/YouTube/IG Reels (lol) are engineered to get you hooked into a dopamine rush feedback loop its also the algo/capitalism/audiance demand encourages shittier and shittier stuff. like how alot of those family vlogs end up being hosed up and toxic at best and daddy of 5 level abuse because the dad or mom or both end up being narsstic psychos or end up chasing dollars for clicks and views and end up doing awful poo poo because its what the audiance wants. also content farms absolutly check and see what clicks for kids. its why a ton of them jumped from stealing fnaf/icon horror games content to stealing amazing digital circus. it goes for anything that will get clicks.
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For a lot of us, too, our formative experiences around The Computer had a lot of factors that ultimately gated exposure levels. There was probably only 1, at a physical desk you had to go sit at, not a pocket-sized that goes everywhere with you. You had to ask if you can connect to the internet, since it would busy out the phone line, it wasn't perpetually connected at all times. Everything used to be slow as hell too, the computer itself, the internet connection, even if you were viewing harmful content all day every day, so much less of it could actually make it to your screen than nowadays. Finally, and this might sound more tenuous but don't immediately discount it, everything looked like poo poo back then, too. Screens were dull, color rendition was bad, etc. Somewhere deep in your lizard brain, there's a component that loves bright and colorful things. Anyway, all these factors worked together to make it such that you could only be exposed to a fraction of the content, good or bad, that a child in 2024 is. Even if you would go on to have a computer job all day, and then come home and sit in front of a different computer at night, these were at least habits being developed much later in life, not when you're 5 years old. If I had to guess, there will be a disconnect between parents and their children, where the parents will seek to limit the amount of the child's screen time, and not understand how psychologically difficult it is for the child, because the parents' own lived experience was that limiting screen time was not that hard.
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single-mode fiber posted:For a lot of us, too, our formative experiences around The Computer had a lot of factors that ultimately gated exposure levels. There was probably only 1, at a physical desk you had to go sit at, not a pocket-sized that goes everywhere with you. You had to ask if you can connect to the internet, since it would busy out the phone line, it wasn't perpetually connected at all times. Everything used to be slow as hell too, the computer itself, the internet connection, even if you were viewing harmful content all day every day, so much less of it could actually make it to your screen than nowadays. Finally, and this might sound more tenuous but don't immediately discount it, everything looked like poo poo back then, too. Screens were dull, color rendition was bad, etc. Somewhere deep in your lizard brain, there's a component that loves bright and colorful things. Having had to make-do with a 4 color CGA screen and dual floppies when I was a kid, I am still amazed at the graphics and video capabilities of my cell phone.
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I hadn't heard about Sen. Menendez in a while and it turns out there have been some updates in the last couple of days. Sen. Bob Menendez and wife plead not guilty to latest obstruction of justice charges www.cbsnews.com | 2024-03-11 posted:NEW YORK -- New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez and his wife, Nadine Menendez, pleaded not guilty to new obstruction of justice charges Monday. What would it take to expel him from the senate Santos-style?
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mawarannahr posted:What would it take to expel him from the senate Santos-style? Exactly the same as Santos- 2/3 of the Senate voting for it
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They're not going up remove him. He's already said he's not running for the seat this year.
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James Garfield posted:The phones are very distracting in class in a way laptops or calculator games aren't, but people aren't getting their brains rotted because they can google stuff on their phone. The problem is that they have unrestricted access to Google in their pocket all the time from long before they learn how to figure things out without Google - and often long before they're old enough to develop basic impulse control at all. During those years of early brain development when their brains are learning for the first time how they should interact with the world, having Google and apps at their fingertips from before they even figure out how to read is probably not a good idea. Yeah, it turns out the math teachers who told us "you won't have a calculator with you all the time" turned out to be dead wrong, but I think it's still good that I learned how to do basic arithmetic without whipping out my phone. Kchama posted:It’s basically just like TV. That means as long as you watch okay stuff and don’t overdo it, it’s fine. The main issue is that it is hard to regulate them in classrooms, because parents don’t want their kids out of potential contact with them. Without that it is just like any other entertainment, and is generally several different sources of interaction. Video games and TV are artistic in their own way. It’s just like anything else, make sure it is done in proper moderation. When we were kids, there were only so many TV shows we wanted to watch, they had set times that didn't change, and we could only really watch what we wanted if we were at someone's house. We couldn't cram literally every unoccupied moment with TV, and we'd get bored and go off and do something else when the good shows were over. We couldn't watch TV in the car, we couldn't watch TV during break between classes, we couldn't watch TV at restaurants or while hanging out at the mall with friends or between sports games or whatever. When I was a kid, I had to deal with being bored sometimes. If we were on a long car ride or in a waiting room or if my parents were chatting with someone or if I was in a break between classes, I had to sit around and find a way to deal with not having entertainment at my fingertips. I don't have to do that very often anymore, because if those things are happening I can just whip out my phone most of the time. But I still spent those crucial brain development years developing ways of coping with not being able to whip out my phone and entertain myself. Even if I don't need to use those coping mechanisms very often these days, it's still good to have them. But kids these days aren't necessarily getting that opportunity. During those early years when they're learning how to interact with the world around them and function in society, they're learning that they never have to be bored - and thus they're not learning how to cope with being bored. Hell, that's not even the worst of it. Kids these days are living their social lives on social media basically from the first day they even have social lives that aren't largely dictated by their parents. They're cyberbullying each other on social media by the time they're in middle school. That's concerning not just because that's bad, but also because it's happening during those years when their brains learn how social interaction works. Social media is going to be a natural part of day-to-day real-life socialization for them in a way it never was for us, and that's terrifying. The kids are going to have fundamentally different ways of interacting with and understanding the world than we do, and that's concerning. Look at how many adults - even the millennials, who should be the most mentally prepared to deal with this stuff - are getting their brains turned to complete mush by algorithmic bullshit and glorified gambling systems. How are the kids, who're growing up knowing no other type of entertainment or socialization besides that stuff, going to handle life? It's not a very comforting thought.
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single-mode fiber posted:For a lot of us, too, our formative experiences around The Computer had a lot of factors that ultimately gated exposure levels. There was probably only 1, at a physical desk you had to go sit at, not a pocket-sized that goes everywhere with you. You had to ask if you can connect to the internet, since it would busy out the phone line, it wasn't perpetually connected at all times. Everything used to be slow as hell too, the computer itself, the internet connection, even if you were viewing harmful content all day every day, so much less of it could actually make it to your screen than nowadays. Finally, and this might sound more tenuous but don't immediately discount it, everything looked like poo poo back then, too. Screens were dull, color rendition was bad, etc. Somewhere deep in your lizard brain, there's a component that loves bright and colorful things. I'm a bit worried about this personally, we just had our first kid recently and I plan on being a little-to-no tablet parent, allowing our child computer access but not smart devices/attention apps like tiktok. Which I feel will be kind of easy to do for the first few years, but what happens when she goes to school and she may be the only kid not spending all day glued to an iPad watching Amongus Digital Circus Squid Game Skibidi Toilet compilations? How do I fight against that? Thankfully I do see a lot of young parents (even some who grew up as iPad kids) claiming that they want to avoid this as well, so at least I'm not alone. Anyway I don't mean to derail the thread, there's a parenting thread in A/T for that.
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haveblue posted:Exactly the same as Santos- 2/3 of the Senate voting for it Fetterman again calls for Menendez to be expelled • Pennsylvania Capital-Star penncapital-star.com posted:U.S. Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) is re-upping his call for his colleagues in the United States Senate to remove U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) from office, following the latest revelation that the New Jersey Democrat has been accused of accepting bribes to benefit Qatar.
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Main Paineframe posted:The only way it seems completely unmoored is if you haven't been paying attention to any mainstream politics since 1949 or so. Since the day the Chinese Civil War ended, the US has regarded China as a dangerous geopolitical adversary, and concerns about Chinese espionage have grown considerably in the last decade or two as more and more US electronics have been built on Chinese hardware and software, and especially in the last eight years since Trump blew up US-China relations. I know this is a bit pedantic and like its for something from 4 pages ago but I think its a bit important to clarify that approximately between like, 1949 (or rather more like 1952) to around 1979 I think largely (and ignorantly) the US mostly viewed China as an extension of Moscow/International Communism; the idea that there could be serious disagreements and splits between communist countries and political divides wasn't readily factored in until Kissinger/Nixon had the bright idea of seeing if they could woo China away from the USSR. During the 80's the US and China were kinda allied, the CIA was allowed to setup a listening outpost in Manchuria to spy on the USSR; its only with the collapse of the USSR and China's economic miracle started to overtake Japan as the economic threat to the US as Japan's Lost Decade fully set in and there was basically no one else remaining the US could use as a geopolitical rival (and of course China doing its own things to escalate and aggravate the US) that the US started to view China as a dangerous geopolitical adversary. In the 1950s to 1970s period China was inarguably way too poor and militarily weak for the US to more specifically view China as a threat beyond the way it was perceived to be in Moscow's camp and would join with Moscow if any hostilities were to break out, i.e such as during the Cuban Missile crisis where Mao pledged China was ready and willing to go to war if hostilities broke out.
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dweepus posted:... How do I fight against that? ... Don't own a tablet, model good behavior (don't veg out on your phone in front of them), limit computer time, and if they ask for a tablet you say "no" then ground them if they whine about it.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/14/former-treasury-secretary-mnuchin-is-putting-together-an-investor-group-to-buy-tiktok.html A new right wing billionaire Tiktok buyer has appeared!
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I mean I don’t disagree fully but a lot of that stuff was creative and something different. Plus a bunch of those newgrounds artists went on to be bigger artists and or make shows of their own. The ones I hate are the content farms that poo poo out crap that steals from other artists or creators to make weird dumb lazy poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6xsF3-aB8c the solution to content farms is upload fees. (oh and also a account creation fee and decent record keeping and kyc and dd stuff for payouts) like the tech addiction is a complicated problem the but it should start as close to the source as possible and not this THINKOFTHECHILDREN crap because adults are tech addicts themseleves and if kids see their parents or adults doing screen time why shouldnt they?
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Chuck Schumer calling for the people of a Middle Eastern country to rise up and overthrow their leader. https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1768278140776775747 https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1768279055705530613 quote:Schumer Says it is Time for New Leadership in Israel, Calling Netanyahu an Obstacle to Peace McConnell condemns his speech calling it "unprecedented" and hypocritical interference in foreign politics. https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1768298299138666681 Unclear what the practical effect will be, but McConnell is right that it is technically unprecedented.
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PhazonLink posted:the solution to content farms is upload fees. (oh and also a account creation fee and decent record keeping and kyc and dd stuff for payouts) yeah, like i think some of the stuff is obviously bad for kids like weird sex pervert poo poo or psycho bigot poo poo that some of the content farms shitout, but my biggets issue is is mostly damages small time creators, like i know the amazing digital circus creator is pissed because these people make cash off stealing her stuff or making fake scams to sell to kids off amazon or any other big box store. it makes her and her brand look bad.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Chuck Schumer calling for the people of a Middle Eastern country to rise up and overthrow their leader. loving good. i remember reading some post about how chris coons and tim kaine and others were pushing for similar a week or two ago. hope they keep it up.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Chuck Schumer calling for the people of a Middle Eastern country to rise up and overthrow their leader. Schumer is going to do another color revolution 
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Levitate posted:I suspect, but without obvious hard evidence, that if you swapped "US Government" for "China's Government" in the structure of TikTok and ByteDance then a lot of people defending it would instead be pretty critical and skeptical. It's basically the harm reduction argument but coming from the other side. Yeah, it'd be great if there was an option where nobody was harvesting data, but that option doesn't exist. The options are the Chinese government stockpiling your data, or right-wing American billionaires stockpiling your data, and a lot of people see China as the less harmful of the two.
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Do we have exit polling from the midterms and 2023 and special elections? If not, how else can we confirm whether there is any movement in the black and Hispanic D/R vote vs 2020?
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litany of gulps posted:This is a 2019 article about a 2015 study. One of the biggest failures of America to support schools is the inability to decisively lay down a policy on what to do about kids being on their phones 24/7. This is why one of the fastest growing startups right now sells nothing except for a fancy phone pouch that needs a specialty magnet to unlock it. School districts all over the place are starting to buy those locking pouches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2A38Nxz8sc
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golden bubble posted:This is why one of the fastest growing startups right now sells nothing except for a fancy phone pouch that needs a specialty magnet to unlock it. School districts all over the place are starting to buy those locking pouches. BRB creating new startup that only sells the magnets without asking any questions
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PhazonLink posted:the Schumer thing might show that some backroom numbers might be interesting? Ah yes, those stupid goldfish-brained keyboard warriors, never resting until they get their paltry wish for the US to stop helping mass killings of innocent people
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Five Year Plan posted:Thanks, I’m glad I got to learn something about an artist like this. Theater isn’t really my domain, so it’s that much more interesting to hear about the approach of somebody less universally known. When you say Bertolt Brecht dealt in “large ideas,” do you mean that the plays (musicals?) had kind of an ideological bent? Or did you mean “large ideas” in the sense of “dealing with questions of philosophy or the human condition?” Both! Brecht's best work focused on either the working class or scoundrels, and they encouraged audiences to ask questions of the German bourgeois. Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny has a notable mob scene in which the citizens, having been appealed to their higher angels by a condemned man, say that God has no power there because they are already in hell. If you've ever been curious about life during the Weimar Republic, I'd suggest the film Kuhle Wampe which he co-wrote. This is what I learned in college instead of the five phases of matter transformation.
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koolkal posted:https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/14/former-treasury-secretary-mnuchin-is-putting-together-an-investor-group-to-buy-tiktok.html I think I'll take the Chinese having access to my data over Steve Mnuchin or Bobby Kotick.
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Nervous posted:I want to cover the money line with the under/over via spread parlay. I'll take the trifecta on a binary choice, please.
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