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Terrible Opinions posted:It's hard for PC players of Dead by Daylight to resist calling me racial slurs for using Lightborne.
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Lurks With Wolves posted:My worry now is that there won't be able to put the transphobic genie back in the bottle. That the transphobic harassment wouldn't have started if they put proper limitations in place initially, but now that the transphobia is here they're just going to go "okay, the full cheerleader skin is what we use for hating trans women" and so on until the whole character is just hosed. And I just hate all of it. If they actually want to put their money where their mouth is on being supportive, they're gonna have to do something direct about it and quick, because once the lovely parts of a community latch onto something no amount of "We had someone in the office type up a statement saying we don't agree with the way this is being used!" is going to shake them off it, they're not going to respond to any appeals to humanity because there's nothing good or any humanity left in those fuckers from the start, they have to be counteracted and not just tut-tut'd.
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Mar 14, 2024 21:08
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yeah if they do anything, it has to be quick. even if they have to disable the killer while they work on a fix. they've disabled killers for less.
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Mar 14, 2024 21:12
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At the very least this is an original killer and not a license so it should in theory be relatively easy to act quickly on this. Here's hoping.
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Mar 14, 2024 21:14
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I think an ideal thing (which I frankly don't think will happen) is to remove the cheerleader outfit entirely, refund everyone auric cells (give them like 1.5x back idfc) and make the old lady one a locked cosmetic set.
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Mar 14, 2024 21:16
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honestly yeah, while the cheerleader is obv just supposed to be classic horror movie victim stuff, this isn't a classic horror movie villain, it's modern internet creepy-pasta/analogue horror. victims aren't cheerleaders anymore. I don't think anyone (who's not using the killer to be lovely to people IRL) would miss it, outside of how bright the colors are which is fun
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Mar 14, 2024 21:20
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Change the cheerleader outfit to an unknown skin that makes her Look like sable!
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Mar 14, 2024 22:20
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https://twitter.com/Zoeyalexandria9/status/1768359653501452651 Follow-up from the VA. Good to hear BHVR is trying to help, at least.
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Mar 15, 2024 00:45
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tbh that tweet mostly just reads like her check cashed lol
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Mar 15, 2024 00:55
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But.. she said that she was tricked by Behavior into voicing a stereotype, and that that skins were outright transphobic? I mean okay, but that's the complete opposite of what she said before.
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Mar 15, 2024 01:09
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there must be reparitions *three hours later* transphobia isnt real actually
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Mar 15, 2024 01:10
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A lot of assumptions that it's based on her medical history in the original statement with zero evidence to back up that assertion, especially in light of the fact that she admitted up front that there was no model and that it was described as an amorphous character. Not saying she's wrong but it's a bit suspicious in light of her second tweet, because even if it wasn't a bullet in the culture war before, it is now.
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Mar 15, 2024 01:28
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Mar 15, 2024 01:38
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tithin posted:A lot of assumptions that it's based on her medical history in the original statement with zero evidence to back up that assertion There's definitely no way this was ever accurate, right? It's such a weird thing to do, and a weird conclusion to jump to. Endorph posted:tbh that tweet mostly just reads like her check cashed lol Wouldn't be at all surprised if BHVR took a look at that first tweet and told her to tell the actual story but either way pretty much.
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Mar 15, 2024 01:40
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Relyssa posted:There's definitely no way this was ever accurate, right? It's such a weird thing to do, and a weird conclusion to jump to. Technically "is trans" is part of her medical history, so even if she believes BHVR just did "we had a trans voice actor, let's make the monster trans" it would be accurate.
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Mar 15, 2024 01:44
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rydiafan posted:Technically "is trans" is part of her medical history, so even if she believes BHVR just did "we had a trans voice actor, let's make the monster trans" it would be accurate. That's fair, but ehh I don't buy it. I do believe she got harassed for being a trans VA, but I really don't think the rest follows from it.
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Mar 15, 2024 01:47
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Relyssa posted:That's fair, but ehh I don't buy it. I do believe she got harassed for being a trans VA, but I really don't think the rest follows from it. There's a very pessimistic and cynical part of me that thinks she's taken 2 + 2 and leap to 44 on purpose as a means to get extra money from behaviour, drat the consequences to other trans people.
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Mar 15, 2024 01:59
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Kwolok posted:I'm getting whiplash This.
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Mar 15, 2024 03:17
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yeah that's nuts, sliding directly from "behavior tricked me on purpose with deliberately transphobic skins" to "Leave. It. A..lo-ne." in like a couple of hours
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Mar 15, 2024 03:25
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Relyssa posted:That's fair, but ehh I don't buy it. I do believe she got harassed for being a trans VA, but I really don't think the rest follows from it. I agree with you, for what it's worth. Just pointing out that "my medical history" isn't always some super obscure HIPAA violating detailed poo poo.
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Mar 15, 2024 04:03
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I personally read the 'medical history' bit as alluding to being trans and nothing else.tithin posted:There's a very pessimistic and cynical part of me that thinks she's taken 2 + 2 and leap to 44 on purpose as a means to get extra money from behaviour, drat the consequences to other trans people. It sounds more to me like she had a bit of a (justified!) meltdown upon feeling like she was tricked so profoundly by a huge company + receiving a ton of harassment and seeing transphobic memes everywhere about her character (there were a ton of them on Reddit, traditional "man in a dress" slop). Then after that, had some people from BHVR + maybe some lawyers hurriedly smooth it over and ask her to make another statement. She has a shot of The Unknown in the cheerleader outfit as her banner on Twitter now and everything, so maybe BHVR gave her a genuine enough apology internally that she changed her feelings about it? Maybe she's trying to embrace it and make lemonade out of lemons? I honestly don't know. Tiny Myers fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Mar 15, 2024 04:49
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Tiny Myers posted:I personally read the 'medical history' bit as alluding to being trans and nothing else. I am not trans, and my comment was not intended as an accusation, more a pessimistic observation. There's such a dissonance between the two comments that it's almost impossible to reconcile that it was written by the same individual, the demand for reparations taints what is otherwise a message that looks like genuine pain. You are right that it is heavy, and I'll apologize for that as I potentially could have phrased it better, but I stand by the pessimism as ultimately her being trans does not mean she is immune to the opportunity for greed. I would love to be wrong. tithin fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Mar 15, 2024 05:21
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ultimately my frustration is that she feels like she can be the arbiter of what is and isnt okay. like shes the va and how she feels about the character is how she feels but acting like suddenly people are being morons for wanting the costume removed when shes the one who initially talked about REPARITIONS really rubs me the wrong way.
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Mar 15, 2024 05:30
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honestly sounds like she went off on a rant, justified or otherwise, without checking the terms of her NDA, and now has to walk a lot of it back lol
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Mar 15, 2024 05:57
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tithin posted:I am not trans, and my comment was not intended as an accusation, more a pessimistic observation. Endorph posted:ultimately my frustration is that she feels like she can be the arbiter of what is and isnt okay. like shes the va and how she feels about the character is how she feels but acting like suddenly people are being morons for wanting the costume removed when shes the one who initially talked about REPARITIONS really rubs me the wrong way. Yeah, I get what both of you are saying. I feel like if she had released a more generic "I apologize for the severity of my previous comments and I would like to ask people not to boycott BHVR, I have spoken to them and they were supportive of me" type thing it would go over a lot more smoothly. Instead it comes across like she accused them of something really severe (knowingly, deliberately using a trans person to voice a hosed up monster that wears the body of its female victim in a way that looks very unflattering and masculine, especially when swapped with the male head, in order to get money and publicity) then immediately turned around and acted shocked and appalled that people would rightfully extrapolate "this is a transphobic company" from that. I think we can largely agree there's an obvious motivation behind the tonal change (course correcting due to PR issues) but it does really come across as making GBS threads on the very fanbase she was rallying and apologizing to initially.
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Mar 15, 2024 09:36
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It sounds like bhvr didn’t think things through and see how giving a creature that has the rough look of a male-presenting human (tall, broad shoulders, regular shirt and slacks) a skin where it wears a young woman’s cheerleading uniform could draw unkind commentary, to be generous. Having the voices linked to the skins instead of using either voice randomly regardless of skin feels like a bad idea. Making the head swappable just a further lack of foresight I can see how the VA would not appreciate that, and I have to assume her initial post was done in anger. If I had to see a billion transphobic tweets then I’d probably do a stream-of-consciousness rant as well. I will tsk tsk bvhr for not saying anything at all. I mean, you don’t have to wade into the VA post directly, but people are using your new character to be transphobic, and I think they could at least take a stance against that.
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I still have not seen people using the character or skin to be transphobic but maybe that's just because I don't wade into online cesspools anymore, I don't even have Twitter. I haven't seen a single transphobic thing happen in game. I saw a gently caress ton of obvious racist bubba mask poo poo when that was a thing but I haven't seen anything related to the unknown yet.
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Kwolok posted:I still have not seen people using the character or skin to be transphobic but maybe that's just because I don't wade into online cesspools anymore, I don't even have Twitter. I haven't seen a single transphobic thing happen in game. I saw a gently caress ton of obvious racist bubba mask poo poo when that was a thing but I haven't seen anything related to the unknown yet. I've gotten some lovely messages for using the trans flag charm and it's been from people using the cosmetics in a fucky way, but it's nowhere near as often as the racist bubba stuff was. I think I get more death threats for using Lightborn than anything else tbh.
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  Game good sometimes. This was a tough one too, it wasn't like I effortlessly killed all of em.
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Mar 15, 2024 17:19
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This Unknown mess only makes me surprised the transphobes didn't latch onto that Legion skin that is Julie's head breaking out of Frank's body
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Mar 15, 2024 17:57
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Eh I imagine stunted brains like that need others to inspire their agendas.
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Mar 15, 2024 17:58
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The Blighted Legion skin is body horror, but it isn't immediately transphobic. You could try using it to be crypto-transphobic about it, but it'd be like using the Spirit to show how racist you are because she's vaguely associated with killing Adam because they're from the same chapter. No one is going to get it that isn't also a crypto-shithead, so it doesn't work if you're actively trying to harass people. (Personally, I was worried about people just repeating the previous Leatherface tactics with his crossdressing skins. That's the kind of bluntness I expect from this kind of thing.)
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Mar 15, 2024 18:18
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Lurks With Wolves posted:(Personally, I was worried about people just repeating the previous Leatherface tactics with his crossdressing skins. That's the kind of bluntness I expect from this kind of thing.) I'm honestly surprised there isn't more of that. Seems like the sort of thing these folks would latch on to.
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Mar 15, 2024 18:24
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I think it's because the Leatherface skin is just so iconic to the movie itself that most people don't view it as offensive in the same way so it's useless to the bigots wanting to upset people.
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Mar 15, 2024 18:32
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It sucks because like, as a nonbinary trans person, I wouldn't mind having more stuff that fucks with gender presentation on both sides (not that I feel like it was really intentional here so much as an oversight but nonetheless). A fantastic example being Felix's manbun and crop top, which I wish was on a survivor I actually want to play. I was initially like "oh, that could be fun" about the Unknown being mix-and-matchable before the rest of it sank in. It sucks that it's such a tight line to walk where people end up largely just using whatever they can to make the same million trite "man in dress" jokes.
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Mar 15, 2024 19:40
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K62QbviuO6w Did this get posted? New event next week.
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Mar 15, 2024 21:55
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I like that Skull Merchant skin. Shame about the whole "being Skull Merchant" thing.
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Mar 15, 2024 22:05
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rydiafan posted:I like that Skull Merchant skin. Shame about the whole "being Skull Merchant" thing. 
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Mar 15, 2024 22:16
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Some good looking skins all round, really.
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We're also releasing a new set of Harry Potter skins next week! Straight from the fantastical mind of JK Rowling comes-- Sorry, what's that? Oh, goddammit!!
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