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The Bible posted:This, of course, depends very heavily on how white/rich you are.
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The Islamic Shock posted:This. A crime that would have still been otherwise attempted given the opportunity and the nonexistence of the police. If they know you use drugs for instance they don't get to knock on your door and offer you your favorite because it's pretty plausible you're mostly buying out of sheer convenience (or unwanted temptation) there. I'm pretty sure that actually wouldn't be entrapment in the US. If some random stranger knocks on your door claiming to be a drug dealer and offers to sell you drugs, most reasonable people would probably say "no". If undercover cops started showing up at your door every few months to offer you cheap drugs, while also pushing very hard to persuade you to buy, then it might be a different story. For example, Jacobson v. US, in which the USPS sent a suspected pedophile a variety of pedophilic propaganda and recruiting materials over the course of several years, along with the occasional mail-order catalog. But if an undercover cop just asks you once if you'd like to commit a crime, and you say yes, then you're going to have a hard time convincing the judge that the government pushed you into something you wouldn't have done anyway.
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Main Paineframe posted:I'm pretty sure that actually wouldn't be entrapment in the US. If some random stranger knocks on your door claiming to be a drug dealer and offers to sell you drugs, most reasonable people would probably say "no". So just in case that made anyone else curious, no the USPS didn’t have a catalog of nubile boys just kicking around. The post office wrote most of the materials and they were generally along the lines of informational packets for fake organizations for pedophile rights. Jacobsen was also bizarrely willing to fill out random surveys he got in the mail, up to and including saying he wanted to have sex with teen boys. Although eventually there was also some smut, so please enjoy this quote I found on wikipedia of the steamiest man-boy romance an 80’s postal employee could write : quote:So Comfort, under the pseudonym "Carl Long", wrote back using a technique called "mirroring", claiming to have interests calculated to be similar to those believed held by Jacobson, and specifically, to be equally interested in depictions of sex acts between young boys. Jacobson said he, too, liked "good looking young guys (in their late teens and early 20s) doing their thing together".
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The Islamic Shock posted:This. A crime that would have still been otherwise attempted given the opportunity and the nonexistence of the police. If they know you use drugs for instance they don't get to knock on your door and offer you your favorite because it's pretty plausible you're mostly buying out of sheer convenience (or unwanted temptation) there. Just don’t charge him with selling the documents. Just having them is illegal in and of itself and isn’t part of the scheme.
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Murgos posted:Just don’t charge him with selling the documents. Just having them is illegal in and of itself and isn’t part of the scheme. Also thinking more about it I assumed he'd not definitively reveal that he has classified documents or where to the seller until the point of sale, but as you say the sale being entrapment doesn't matter if the documents can be seized then. The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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Are you allowed to sell baby powder as cocaine? If no then I assume a similar law exists, probably some sort of fraud
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Mar 14, 2024 17:18
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cr0y posted:Are you allowed to sell baby powder as cocaine? If no then I assume a similar law exists, probably some sort of fraud you are not; every state i can see in a few moments of googling has laws against "imitation controlled substances". to be fair i wondered it too
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Tayter Swift posted:You sure that's not entrapment? Potentially entrapment for "trying to sell government documents" if they did it wrong. However, definitely not entrapment for "still having more loving government documents"
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So it turns out that Smirnov, the confidential source who lied about the Biden's, got paid $600,000 by a brand new shell company for his part in some crypto garbage that never materialized right before he started ratting on Biden. The guy who set up that fund is a 1/3rd partner in a similarly named company alongside two or Trump's close business associates. Certainly not a smoking gun, but there definitely is smoke. https://twitter.com/AlisonR61423986/status/1768309479282450880?t=ZC9RWCnUD5GrPKMGSPaPGA&s=19 Link to the guardian piece. Edit: top poster in the link is a bit of a crank with a grudge, but the infographic is straight from the article and sums it up well.
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redbrouw posted:Back On Board Spelled "bored" - Norm
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cr0y posted:Are you allowed to sell baby powder as cocaine? If no then I assume a similar law exists, probably some sort of fraud It depends on the location. I had a client who was a student who was making some money on the side by selling "weed." He got caught by the local cops and charged with possession and possession for sale or supply. He told me what his defence was and we ran it. We ask for the drugs to be forensically analysed (which is a step in all drugs offences here unless you voluntarily waive it, normally only happens if you are pleading guilty.) So a couple of months goes by and the forensic report comes back which backs up what my clients defence was. Namely that what he was selling wasn't weed, but was tea. He had been cutting open tea bags and selling it on to gullible student types. So, the State withdraw all charges and he walks. Afterwards I tell him that legally he's fine and the State cant go after him. But he still needs to watch for street justice and former customers tracking him down.
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Tbf I think it's safe to assume in The Trump Legal thread that we're talking about US case law
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i mean "attempted drug dealing" indeed *harumph*
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Failed Imagineer posted:Tbf I think it's safe to assume in The Trump Legal thread that we're talking about US case law There are 50 states with different laws.
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Fart Amplifier posted:There are 50 states with different laws. I'm aware, but The Question IRL is qualified to practice law in Ireland
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Tayter Swift posted:You sure that's not entrapment? One should never miss an opportunity to share this comic-based explanation of entrapment. https://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/19810672629/12-i-was-entrapped
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The Question IRL posted:It depends on the location. I had a similar case once with a guy who got busted with over 1500 pills in his car and another 1k in his apartment. After testing they were all sugar pills. "Man, no wonder. I was taking thirteen of those a day!"
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I had a similar case once with a guy who got busted with over 1500 pills in his car and another 1k in his apartment. Was he sentenced to insulin?
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/prosecutors-request-trump-hush-money-trial-delay_n_65f34cc2e4b0b4d0b898c729?ww9 This fucker is never seeing the inside of a courtroom ever again.
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Reporting from Cannons hearing today seems to indicate that she’s not likely to dismiss the case. Said his claims would be strong defenses at trial but not dismissal.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I had a similar case once with a guy who got busted with over 1500 pills in his car and another 1k in his apartment. My dad was diabetic and the sweetner he used as a sugar substitute for his coffee was in pill form that came in a plastic dispenser. I think it was Hermesetas. I wonder how many people have gotten into poo poo over those tiny sweetner pills...
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Gen. Ripper posted:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/prosecutors-request-trump-hush-money-trial-delay_n_65f34cc2e4b0b4d0b898c729?ww9 How is this different from many of the various other examples of Trump's lawyers attempting procedures to delay things which often results in just being denied?
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In this case it's the prosecutors requesting the delay. Because they suddenly got a treasure trove of new evidence of Trump crimes.
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Tesseraction posted:In this case it's the prosecutors requesting the delay. Yeah, I’m significantly more interested in the documents that would make the DA ask for a delay.
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Sundae posted:One should never miss an opportunity to share this comic-based explanation of entrapment. I love this series. There is a whole website for the lessons now! Surprisingly useful in internet arguments.
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Cannon doing one non-dogshit ruling for every 40 dogshit rulings: https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1768390446735053127?s=46
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Tesseraction posted:Cannon doing one non-dogshit ruling for every 40 dogshit rulings: some folks I follow seem to believe that this ruling is also dogshit in that it foreshadows some bullshit that is to come:  I'm no lawyer, but is it typical for a judge to say "motion denied without prejudice, but hey it's just a bit premature, maybe try again once we've seated a jury" instead of just saying "motion denied without prejudice"?
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Blotto_Otter posted:some folks I follow seem to believe that this ruling is also dogshit in that it foreshadows some bullshit that is to come: Well, she's saying that it might be explored ore during the trial. To me, that has to be part of the defense anyway, and I have every confidence that the prosecution will be able to sharpen that pencil to a very fine point. i.e.: They can't take their unopened box of clay pigeons home and cancel the shoot, they'll have to pitch them up one at a time & let the prosecution vaporize them. PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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Xiahou Dun posted:Yeah, I’m significantly more interested in the documents that would make the DA ask for a delay. From my reading of the article that's not what happened. The DA has asked for a delay because Trump's side has asked for additional disclosure and the DA have provided it to them. This is where things breakdown. Trump's team says this proves that the State were breaking all protocols for disclosure and only providing stuff at the 11th hour. Meanwhile the State are saying they told Trump's team that there was a whole bunch of disclosure they could have if they wanted some seven months ago, and the Trump Team have only asked for it now. I'd say that it is a tactic of deliberately incompetence to try to get the longest delay possible, and the State is opting to play it safe. Give them a 1 month delay and push for the trial to go ahead.
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Blotto_Otter posted:some folks I follow seem to believe that this ruling is also dogshit in that it foreshadows some bullshit that is to come: Is there any reason to think that guy actually has any idea what he's talking about? "Some random twitter dude thinks this is suspicious" doesn't mean much, there's always some random Twitter dude who'll think drat near anything whether it makes any sense or not.
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Main Paineframe posted:Is there any reason to think that guy actually has any idea what he's talking about? "Some random twitter dude thinks this is suspicious" doesn't mean much, there's always some random Twitter dude who'll think drat near anything whether it makes any sense or not. I mean, search this thread for "jeopardy" and you'll find many posts theorizing that Cannon will wait to dismiss until a jury is seated to protect him from being tried again. We have acknowledged it as the most she could possibly do to protect him, but yeah we talked about this idea plenty last year, right in this very thread. Not to say I support the doomer mindset, just it's definitely what we've all considered as the worst possible timeline outcome  Honestly I'm more focused on the state cases since federal stuff I figure even if they find him guilty he will be just pardoned by the next chud asap. So I'm more worried about Fani getting dismissed at this point 
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Judge McAfee said to still expect his ruling tomorrow in a local interview he gave today. https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/at...VPXWBWQ7ZBU3KU/ quote:“What can you tell us about the timing of your order on the Fulton DA disqualification issue?” Winne asked McAfee. Here's hoping the walls will be stained red with ketchup at Mar-a-Lago soon
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McAfee says Fani Willis can stay on the case. LOL
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Well, caveat, she has to dismiss Wade if she stays on: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/15/fani-willis-trump-georgia-case/
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Best possible result. And a carefully-considered opinion, to boot. He finds there is no evidence of impropriety but that the appearance of such would continue to encumber the prosecution "unnecessarily".
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Riptor posted:That seems... reasonable? Seems like a win, actually. From what I gather, he's mediocre at his job anyway.
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Zapp Brannigan posted:Seems like a win, actually. From what I gather, he's mediocre at his job anyway. Then why the gently caress did she hire him? It just shows such insanely poor judgement that I'm concerned at her competence in prosecuting the case going forward.
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zoux posted:Then why the gently caress did she hire him? It just shows such insanely poor judgement that I'm concerned at her competence in prosecuting the case going forward. I think Wade was probably fine from a skill set point of view and the personal chemistry pushed it over the edge. (Maybe I'm too beaten down by US workplace culture, but that doesn't seem that different from any other industry.) He's an experienced litigator and former municipal court judge. It's not like there's some set legal track to specialize in election interference cases.
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zoux posted:Then why the gently caress did she hire him? It just shows such insanely poor judgement that I'm concerned at her competence in prosecuting the case going forward. Wasn't he not her first choice? And then there's the whole "This case is actually paying below average" thing, even if it's a high-profile case, I can't see... well, okay, let's be honest, any lawyers involved with this are going to be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives because they dared to challenge the glorious god-emperor Trump, who's loyal and devoted followers are not at all batshit crazy loons who would gladly get revenge on someone for toppelling their
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