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neutral milf hotel: Oct 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

gradenko_2000 posted:

didn't Danny Casolaro say something similar

I started listening to the two-part trueanon series about him and the Octopus Murders doc... :stare:

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my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

neutral milf hotel posted:

I started listening to the two-part trueanon series about him and the Octopus Murders doc...

do the Ghost Stories for the End of the World one next if you haven't listened to it, it's pretty in-depth and fascinating

# ? Mar 15, 2024 12:18

Corky Romanovsky: Oct 1, 2006; Soiled Meat

The podcast interviews had some interesting details not heard elsewhere. They did Trillbillies and Chapo, too. Gets a bit redundant but a smattering here and there.

The Ghost Stories one is like 13 parts and 2 or 3 addendums. Branches out everywhere though, so be ready.

# ? Mar 15, 2024 13:00

Suplex Liberace: Jan 18, 2012

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

Gonna check out Drugs as a weapon against us

The stereotype of the drunk Indian is a thing because the settlers knew they�d have an easier time stealing our land if they kept us drunk all the time. I remember reading about an Indian chief who recognized the social ills all this booze was causing his tribe, so he petitioned the governor of Pennsylvania, thinking the guy was his friend, to ban whites from selling booze to Indians in the territory. The governor responded by declaring the chief an outlaw and sent a posey after him.

I think we can recognize that drugs are a social ill under capitalism that are imposed on the toiling classes by the bourgeois, while at the same time understand that in primitive communism, as well as in many proto-feudal societies, drugs had important recreational and spiritual components that were important for social cohesion, and they can retake their natural place again if the system is abolished.

It�s not the drug, it�s the society that makes the vice.

Now can we please get off this derail?

numerous times in HBC/British history indigenous peoples begged and had put in charters to not supply them with any alcohol because it was so damaging but the thats not in the british character to do!

# ? Mar 15, 2024 13:17

Dokapon Findom: Dec 5, 2022; They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.

Not reading any post longer than one word but didn't Prohibition become a thing mainly because was it was agreed that while alcoholism lead to spousal abuse, it was easier to criminalize drinking than it was to criminalize beating your wife

# ? Mar 15, 2024 13:21

multistability: Feb 15, 2014

I think if you tried to ban alcohol in Ireland Gerry Adams would personally reactivate the IRA and order ppl to dig up all their decommissioned armalites and then you'd have a real party going. I'm Irish living in Ireland so I'm allowed to say this BTW

# ? Mar 15, 2024 14:01

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

multistability posted:

I think if you tried to ban alcohol in Ireland Gerry Adams would personally reactivate the IRA and order ppl to dig up all their decommissioned armalites and then you'd have a real party going. I'm Irish living in Ireland so I'm allowed to say this BTW

Irish influence on the temperance movement

In May of 2011, the Irish Republic had two very important and historic visitors. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and US President Barack Obama were both officially welcomed by the Irish people to these shores for the first time.

The level of preparation was enormous, from security at the various sites both luminaries were visiting, to road upgrades, and carefully choreographed photo opportunities with politicians, business people, and other various influential figures.

Part of Barack Obama�s visit was to a small pub in Moneygall, Co. Offaly1 where both he and his wife enjoyed a pint and a half pint of Guinness, respectively, to the constant click and whirr of camera lenses. Queen Elizabeth was not spared the Guinness photo opportunity either, and at the Guinness Storehouse on James� Street in Dublin (site of the first Guinness brewery in Ireland) she was poured a pint of the black stuff, although unlike her US counterparts she didn�t indulge.2

While the images conjured above were broadcast worldwide and were hailed by the media here as being vital for our tourism,3 they perhaps say a lot about our attitude to alcohol in our society here in general.

Ireland is a country where over half of all those who do drink have a harmful drinking pattern. We drink 20% more than we did 25 years ago and 20% more than the average European. Alcohol has a role in 41% of cases of deliberate self-harm, 97% of public order offences, and every 7 hours in Ireland someone dies from an alcohol-related illness.4

It may come as a surprise to some then, that Ireland had a starring role in the Temperance Movement in the UK and further afield in the 19th century.

Theobald Mathew was born in Ireland in 1790 and was ordained a priest in Dublin in 1813. He was known as a kind and sympathetic clergyman and was popular and looked up to by the poor and the wealthy alike. His chief concern was always the care of the sick and underprivileged in society.5

Around this time, drunkenness was becoming widespread and problematic in Ireland. In 1835, a Quaker called William Martin founded the Cork Total Abstinence Society in an attempt to combat the issue. He made little initial headway.6

Prior to this, in Preston in 1831, Joseph Livesey was adopting a staunch anti-alcohol ideal, releasing regular pamphlets on abstinence, the roots of which grew into the Preston Temperance Advocate in 1834. His influence spread and he also released the Teetotal Progressionist from 1851�1852 and the Staunch Teetotaler from 1867. Livesey himself had taken his lead from Reverend John Edgar, a Presbyterian minister based in Belfast, who began preaching the benefits of teetotalism from 1829.

Meanwhile, on the other side of Ireland, the Cork Total Abstinence Society plodded onwards with few members so its founder sought out Father Theobald Mathew, a well-liked and much respected local priest who he hoped would drive the movement onwards.

In 1838 Father Mathew signed up and plunged headfirst into the abstinence crusade. Obviously this new movement had the fingerprints of the Catholic church on it given his background and this was a useful method for Father Mathew to convert new followers to his cause, holding meetings after services and recruiting new followers after Sunday mass who took �The Pledge� to remain abstinent from alcohol. Estimates vary, but by 1843 about 250 000 people in Ireland had taken The Pledge.

Father Mathew then travelled through the UK for 3 months in 1843 with like-minded associates converting up to 600 000 people to the Temperance movement there.7

While drunkenness was bad, it was nothing compared to the Great Famine which struck Ireland between 1845 and 1849. Over 2 million had to emigrate and approximately the same number died. Father Mathew�s focus switched from temperance to helping the poor, and momentum for his crusade was understandably lost.

Invited to the US in 1849,7 he was afforded use of City Hall, New York, which acted as a forerunner to his success in America. At his peak he had up to 500 000 followers there and dined in the White House with President Taylor. Things unravelled for him in America when his anti-slavery views were not popular and he returned to Ireland, cutting ties with the American movement in 1851. He died in Cork in 1856.

It is perhaps ironic that the country that produced Father Mathew is now so closely identified with all things Bacchanalian in the modern age.

One feels it will take more than a single charismatic religious figure to turn this particular tide.

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multistability: Feb 15, 2014

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Irish influence on the temperance movement

In May of 2011, the Irish Republic had two very important and historic visitors. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and US President Barack Obama were both officially welcomed by the Irish people to these shores for the first time.

The level of preparation was enormous, from security at the various sites both luminaries were visiting, to road upgrades, and carefully choreographed photo opportunities with politicians, business people, and other various influential figures.

Part of Barack Obama’s visit was to a small pub in Moneygall, Co. Offaly1 where both he and his wife enjoyed a pint and a half pint of Guinness, respectively, to the constant click and whirr of camera lenses. Queen Elizabeth was not spared the Guinness photo opportunity either, and at the Guinness Storehouse on James’ Street in Dublin (site of the first Guinness brewery in Ireland) she was poured a pint of the black stuff, although unlike her US counterparts she didn’t indulge.2

While the images conjured above were broadcast worldwide and were hailed by the media here as being vital for our tourism,3 they perhaps say a lot about our attitude to alcohol in our society here in general.

Ireland is a country where over half of all those who do drink have a harmful drinking pattern. We drink 20% more than we did 25 years ago and 20% more than the average European. Alcohol has a role in 41% of cases of deliberate self-harm, 97% of public order offences, and every 7 hours in Ireland someone dies from an alcohol-related illness.4

It may come as a surprise to some then, that Ireland had a starring role in the Temperance Movement in the UK and further afield in the 19th century.

Theobald Mathew was born in Ireland in 1790 and was ordained a priest in Dublin in 1813. He was known as a kind and sympathetic clergyman and was popular and looked up to by the poor and the wealthy alike. His chief concern was always the care of the sick and underprivileged in society.5

Around this time, drunkenness was becoming widespread and problematic in Ireland. In 1835, a Quaker called William Martin founded the Cork Total Abstinence Society in an attempt to combat the issue. He made little initial headway.6

Prior to this, in Preston in 1831, Joseph Livesey was adopting a staunch anti-alcohol ideal, releasing regular pamphlets on abstinence, the roots of which grew into the Preston Temperance Advocate in 1834. His influence spread and he also released the Teetotal Progressionist from 1851–1852 and the Staunch Teetotaler from 1867. Livesey himself had taken his lead from Reverend John Edgar, a Presbyterian minister based in Belfast, who began preaching the benefits of teetotalism from 1829.

Meanwhile, on the other side of Ireland, the Cork Total Abstinence Society plodded onwards with few members so its founder sought out Father Theobald Mathew, a well-liked and much respected local priest who he hoped would drive the movement onwards.

In 1838 Father Mathew signed up and plunged headfirst into the abstinence crusade. Obviously this new movement had the fingerprints of the Catholic church on it given his background and this was a useful method for Father Mathew to convert new followers to his cause, holding meetings after services and recruiting new followers after Sunday mass who took ‘The Pledge’ to remain abstinent from alcohol. Estimates vary, but by 1843 about 250 000 people in Ireland had taken The Pledge.

Father Mathew then travelled through the UK for 3 months in 1843 with like-minded associates converting up to 600 000 people to the Temperance movement there.7

While drunkenness was bad, it was nothing compared to the Great Famine which struck Ireland between 1845 and 1849. Over 2 million had to emigrate and approximately the same number died. Father Mathew’s focus switched from temperance to helping the poor, and momentum for his crusade was understandably lost.

Invited to the US in 1849,7 he was afforded use of City Hall, New York, which acted as a forerunner to his success in America. At his peak he had up to 500 000 followers there and dined in the White House with President Taylor. Things unravelled for him in America when his anti-slavery views were not popular and he returned to Ireland, cutting ties with the American movement in 1851. He died in Cork in 1856.

It is perhaps ironic that the country that produced Father Mathew is now so closely identified with all things Bacchanalian in the modern age.

One feels it will take more than a single charismatic religious figure to turn this particular tide.

Didn't read on my way to the bar to enjoy some Friday afternoon pints with my friends

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unknown: Nov 16, 2002; Ain't got no stinking title yet!

A long time ago I was talking with a brewer who left Toronto to go to Dublin to open a brewery there (and was immediately successful). He was saying how we Canadians have no idea how much more the Irish drink and he almost felt bad how it was like being the drug dealer seeing the same customers 3x a day (lunch, post work, evening) having a pint or two each time. Also said it wasn't easy finding non-alcoholic staff to work in a brewery.

# ? Mar 15, 2024 14:18

Clever Moniker: Oct 29, 2007

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

just to differentiate my own stance here. The whole reason for the temperance movement was because people realized that alcohol was a social poison, mostly affecting the working class, that was preventing them from organizing against the cause of their problems. Capitalism was causing misery, alcohol was used to alleviate the symptoms but made things much worse...

As a person in recovery this post hit very hard.

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Bar Crow: Oct 10, 2012

The logic of addiction is the same as the logic of capitalism. Chasing a high as the rate of profit falls.

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Megamissen: Jul 19, 2022; any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

# ? Mar 15, 2024 17:34

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

that gets me het up

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selec: Sep 6, 2003

any temperance movement in a capitalist structure is just going to be used primarily to discipline the members of the working class. this was obvious during prohibition in America, and continues under the war on drugs.

drugs grew up with us as we developed societies. if your planned culture has no room or role for intoxicants as cultural tools and even pleasure-seeking tools it�s something a nerd cooked up with a spreadsheet and can be safely disregarded.

material conditions drive the individual relationship with intoxicants, just like they do every other relationship you have under capitalism. you can�t get sober your way out of capitalism, and any movement that places sobriety in a list of goals for effectiveness is pre-alienating people for whom intoxicants mean survival and even joy. meet the workers where they are and focus on the goals of a movement, not a picture of a worker you can beat off to because you imagine them to be free of all taint.

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Dokapon Findom: Dec 5, 2022; They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.

Well the taint's half the fun...

# ? Mar 15, 2024 18:43

Dokapon Findom: Dec 5, 2022; They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.

gradenko_2000 posted:

didn't Danny Casolaro say something similar

I had the Octopus Netflix thing on in the background and they give a disturbing amount of credence to the suicide angle imo. Like you need to be saying in no uncertain terms there's no loving way he would have done that

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Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

He absolutely did not kill himself, but even if he or the whistleblower did actually commit suicide, it was directly caused by their treatment by those who they were looking to expose and they are just as culpable for his death as surely as if they hired a hitman.

# ? Mar 15, 2024 18:47

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Dokapon Findom posted:

I had the Octopus Netflix thing on in the background and they give a disturbing amount of credence to the suicide angle imo. Like you need to be saying in no uncertain terms there's no loving way he would have done that

hmm, I should want to watch the series but hearing stuff like this drains some of the motivation

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Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

bedpan posted:

hmm, I should want to watch the series but hearing stuff like this drains some of the motivation

I disagree with that poster and think they make it pretty clear that suicide was extremely unlikely but not technically impossible. watch it

# ? Mar 15, 2024 19:11

Pulcinella: Feb 15, 2019; Can't post for 35 hours!

Ziggy Smalls posted:

Is someone talking about using drugs to dismantle capitalism?

Acid Communism

I haven't actually read any of Fisher's incomplete Acid Communism, but my understanding is that its less "luxury drug communism" and more about the need to come up wuth new ideas outside of neoliberal capitalism.

Edit:

Suplex Liberace posted:

numerous times in HBC/British history indigenous peoples begged and had put in charters to not supply them with any alcohol because it was so damaging but the thats not in the british character to do!

Also the opium wars.

# ? Mar 15, 2024 19:36

Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Irish influence on the temperance movement

In May of 2011, the Irish Republic had two very important and historic visitors. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and US President Barack Obama were both officially welcomed by the Irish people to these shores for the first time.

The level of preparation was enormous, from security at the various sites both luminaries were visiting, to road upgrades, and carefully choreographed photo opportunities with politicians, business people, and other various influential figures.

Part of Barack Obama’s visit was to a small pub in Moneygall, Co. Offaly1 where both he and his wife enjoyed a pint and a half pint of Guinness, respectively, to the constant click and whirr of camera lenses. Queen Elizabeth was not spared the Guinness photo opportunity either, and at the Guinness Storehouse on James’ Street in Dublin (site of the first Guinness brewery in Ireland) she was poured a pint of the black stuff, although unlike her US counterparts she didn’t indulge.2

While the images conjured above were broadcast worldwide and were hailed by the media here as being vital for our tourism,3 they perhaps say a lot about our attitude to alcohol in our society here in general.

Ireland is a country where over half of all those who do drink have a harmful drinking pattern. We drink 20% more than we did 25 years ago and 20% more than the average European. Alcohol has a role in 41% of cases of deliberate self-harm, 97% of public order offences, and every 7 hours in Ireland someone dies from an alcohol-related illness.4

It may come as a surprise to some then, that Ireland had a starring role in the Temperance Movement in the UK and further afield in the 19th century.

Theobald Mathew was born in Ireland in 1790 and was ordained a priest in Dublin in 1813. He was known as a kind and sympathetic clergyman and was popular and looked up to by the poor and the wealthy alike. His chief concern was always the care of the sick and underprivileged in society.5

Around this time, drunkenness was becoming widespread and problematic in Ireland. In 1835, a Quaker called William Martin founded the Cork Total Abstinence Society in an attempt to combat the issue. He made little initial headway.6

Prior to this, in Preston in 1831, Joseph Livesey was adopting a staunch anti-alcohol ideal, releasing regular pamphlets on abstinence, the roots of which grew into the Preston Temperance Advocate in 1834. His influence spread and he also released the Teetotal Progressionist from 1851–1852 and the Staunch Teetotaler from 1867. Livesey himself had taken his lead from Reverend John Edgar, a Presbyterian minister based in Belfast, who began preaching the benefits of teetotalism from 1829.

Meanwhile, on the other side of Ireland, the Cork Total Abstinence Society plodded onwards with few members so its founder sought out Father Theobald Mathew, a well-liked and much respected local priest who he hoped would drive the movement onwards.

In 1838 Father Mathew signed up and plunged headfirst into the abstinence crusade. Obviously this new movement had the fingerprints of the Catholic church on it given his background and this was a useful method for Father Mathew to convert new followers to his cause, holding meetings after services and recruiting new followers after Sunday mass who took ‘The Pledge’ to remain abstinent from alcohol. Estimates vary, but by 1843 about 250 000 people in Ireland had taken The Pledge.

Father Mathew then travelled through the UK for 3 months in 1843 with like-minded associates converting up to 600 000 people to the Temperance movement there.7

While drunkenness was bad, it was nothing compared to the Great Famine which struck Ireland between 1845 and 1849. Over 2 million had to emigrate and approximately the same number died. Father Mathew’s focus switched from temperance to helping the poor, and momentum for his crusade was understandably lost.

Invited to the US in 1849,7 he was afforded use of City Hall, New York, which acted as a forerunner to his success in America. At his peak he had up to 500 000 followers there and dined in the White House with President Taylor. Things unravelled for him in America when his anti-slavery views were not popular and he returned to Ireland, cutting ties with the American movement in 1851. He died in Cork in 1856.

It is perhaps ironic that the country that produced Father Mathew is now so closely identified with all things Bacchanalian in the modern age.

One feels it will take more than a single charismatic religious figure to turn this particular tide.

it may surprise many to know that those of Irish descent had a big hand in bootlegging during prohibition. the grandson of a bootlegger is running for president (lol) as we speak

# ? Mar 15, 2024 20:31

fanfic insert: Nov 4, 2009

the Roosevelts were opium dealers

# ? Mar 15, 2024 20:35

maxwellhill: Jan 5, 2022

someone said the kennedy's and bush's were rival bootlegger families

# ? Mar 15, 2024 22:19

maxwellhill: Jan 5, 2022

selec posted:

any temperance movement in a capitalist structure is just going to be used primarily to discipline the members of the working class. this was obvious during prohibition in America, and continues under the war on drugs.

drugs grew up with us as we developed societies. if your planned culture has no room or role for intoxicants as cultural tools and even pleasure-seeking tools it�s something a nerd cooked up with a spreadsheet and can be safely disregarded.

material conditions drive the individual relationship with intoxicants, just like they do every other relationship you have under capitalism. you can�t get sober your way out of capitalism, and any movement that places sobriety in a list of goals for effectiveness is pre-alienating people for whom intoxicants mean survival and even joy. meet the workers where they are and focus on the goals of a movement, not a picture of a worker you can beat off to because you imagine them to be free of all taint.

this reminds me of another thing that turned out to be thread adjacent: the 12 step program. started in the 1930's as an offshoot of a christian cult (before the days of bay area rehab MKUltra and the group abuse experiments of the church of SynAnon). It continues to function as a cult. i just spoke with someone close to the addiction recovery scene who said it's the worst thing an addict can join and went into detail. they speculated that mental health problems are more common in such programs because they're caused by the program, rather than starting that way. 12 steps primarily teach a sense of powerlessness and to accept that you have no power in life, which obviously is the polar opposite of what would motivate one to put down substances. nonetheless, any suggestion that you can overcome something individually is shamed and ostracized by the group. you're forbidden from being in any relationships during the beginning probationary period of the program. famously, the unofficial "13th step" is to start a relationship with someone else in the program. most damningly, at some point you're told to share with a partner a list of all of your worst secrets.

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

what the gently caress did I just find out about
New York divorce coercion gang

en.m.wikipedia.org posted:

The New York divorce coercion gang was a Haredi Jewish group who kidnapped, and in some cases tortured, Jewish men in the New York metropolitan area to force them to grant their wives religious divorces (gittin). The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) broke up the group after conducting a sting operation against the gang in October 2013. The sting resulted in the prosecution of four men, three of whom were convicted in late 2015.

It was in this gray area of halakha (Jewish law) that in the mid-1980s, a rabbi from Brooklyn, New York, Mendel Epstein, began to advocate for women seeking religious divorces from their husbands.[5] Dubbed "The Prodfather" by the press, due to his boast of using a cattle prod against his victims, Epstein coerced these men to divorce their wives through the use of violence.[6] In 1991, Father's Rights activist Monty Weinstein staged a protest with 25 people outside Epstein's home, with some carrying signs that read "Stop Mendel Epstein!".[7] Weinstein had heard stories about Epstein's tactics for years, but nothing ever happened when he complained to the authorities. He said, "What bothered me is that the police and courts didn't care."[8]

On October 23, 1996, while he was walking from the synagogue to his home in Borough Park, Brooklyn, Abraham Rubin was shoved into a van by three masked men, beaten, and shocked with a stun-gun more than 30 times, including in his genitals, until he agreed to give his wife a get.[9] After his 3-hour ordeal, he was left bruised, bloodied, handcuffed, blindfolded, and half-naked at the entrance to a cemetery.[7] In the following year, Rubin filed a civil racketeering lawsuit against Epstein and a conspirator, Martin Wolmark, head of Yeshiva Shaarei Torah of Rockland on West Carlton Road in Suffern, New York.[10] However, charges against his attackers were dropped in 2000 by Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes, after Rubin "could not identify any of his assailants".[3] In 1998, accountant Stephen Weiss alleged that his jaw, leg, and arm were broken in 1992 by members of the gang, but no arrests were made. Newsday interviewed an additional dozen residents of Borough Park and Midwood, Brooklyn, all of whom claimed that they were harassed, threatened, or assaulted by men working for their estranged wives. Hynes agreed to look into the charges, but, despite pressure from the victims, declined to prosecute.[11]

On December 1, 2009, Israel Markowitz was lured from Brooklyn to Lakewood Township, New Jersey, under the pretense of receiving employment at a document shredding establishment.[12][13][14] He was then assaulted, placed in a van, tied up, beaten, and shocked with a stun-gun until he agreed to give his wife a get.[15] On October 16, 2010, Yisrael Bryskman, an Israeli citizen, was lured from New York to the Lakewood home of David Wax, an accomplice of Epstein, where he was promised employment as a typist of Talmudic texts.[13] Bryskman entered Wax's home shortly before midnight, was shown into a second-story bedroom, and was immediately punched in the face, breaking his nose. He was then forced to the floor, blindfolded, handcuffed, and ankle-tied.[15] A pool of blood appeared on the carpet. Wax presented Bryskman with a body bag, "to get [you] used to the size".[16] He was then kicked in the ribs, burned with acid, and threatened to be urinated upon, fed to rats, and buried alive, until he agreed to give his wife a get.[11] Wax was paid $100,000 from the wife's family for the document, half of which went to Epstein, and he attempted to extort an additional $50,000[12] from Bryskman's father in Israel over the phone, threatening that if he didn't comply, he'd receive a "special gift � it's called a bullet ... in your head".[7][16] On August 22, 2011, in Brooklyn, Usher Chaimowitz and his roommate, Menachem Teitelbaum, were assaulted, tied up, and beaten for two hours, until Chaimowitz agreed to give his wife a get. Teitelbaum was punched in the face, had four of his teeth knocked out, his head pushed through a wall, and his mouth stuffed with dirty socks when he tried to scream for help. When he asked why they were beating him, one of his attackers quoted the Talmudic dictum "Woe to the evildoer, woe to his neighbor".[15][17][18]

In October 2010, Wax and his wife Judy were arrested for their part in the Bryskman kidnapping and beating, and Wax subsequently agreed to testify as a government witness, claiming that Epstein was the head of the operation and that his son, David Epstein, was present in the bedroom during the Bryskman beating.[19] The Bryskman case was what led federal authorities in New Jersey to begin their investigation of Mendel Epstein for his role in the crime.[20]

guess what? they let Epstein out early after 7 of 10 years (and it was reported he dodged a life sentence)

Baruch Matir Asurim Reb Mendel Epstein Returns Home - Lakewood News Network

lnnnews.com - Wed, 27 Jul 2022 posted:

Bechasdei Hashem, Rabbi Mendel Epstein of Lakewood, was released last night after nearly seven years in prison and returned to his home in Enclave.

Rabbi Epstein was sentenced on December 15, 2015, by the Department of Justice U.S. Attorney�s Office in New Jersey. He was sentenced to be released on December 16, 2015. but B �H has been given a reduction in sentence to being released a bit over four and a half months early.

The original sentence also included five years of supervised release, which has been lowered to twenty-seven months.

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rex rabidorum vires: Mar 26, 2007; KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN

Just wait until you get to the organ trafficking lol.

# ? Mar 15, 2024 22:54

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

In AA's defence, I can see why telling people with problem substance abuse issues to deprioritize being in a relationship (can be) ultimately for the best for all involved, and also, if you've ever been in a relationship with someone with a history of addition, them being upfront about some of the baggage that comes from that, instead of you discovering later on, arguably also for the best.

I'm not coming out to defend them the way I will the Methodists, I don't know much about them. All of these responses to addiction happened for a reason, they were rooted in their societies. The Woman's Christian Temperance Union was the big one that got the ball rolling here, as as evangelizing was part of the movement, I suppose you could say they were a "cult", even though they were just mainline Protestants. I suppose it comes down to if you see recovery for alcohol as purely secular or not.

The Woman's Christian Temperance Union, Salvation Army, and AA, with the acknowledgement in a belief of a higher power, are explicitly not. That's not for everyone, which is fine, but on their own terms, I don't have a problem with it. If they have a religious understanding of addiction, and their treatment incorporates it, and it works, as long as they are upfront about their beliefs to people who want to join, which I would argue is a difference between a cult and a religious movement, I think that's fine too.

You meet people where they are, and all 3 originated in societies that were more religious than our own, where people's understanding of daily life, personal demons, and recovery from disease had religious dimensions. If you were to start a new program today, you'd use the language of pop science, or however people understand themselves, their problems, and how things change.

# ? Mar 15, 2024 23:06

Cabbages and VHS: Aug 25, 2004; Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

In AA's defence, I can see why telling people with problem substance abuse issues to deprioritize being in a relationship (can be) ultimately for the best for all involved, and also, if you've ever been in a relationship with someone with a history of addition, them being upfront about some of the baggage that comes from that, instead of you discovering later on, arguably also for the best.

I'm not coming out to defend them the way I will the Methodists, I don't know much about them. All of these responses to addiction happened for a reason, they were rooted in their societies. The Woman's Christian Temperance Union was the big one that got the ball rolling here, as as evangelizing was part of the movement, I suppose you could say they were a "cult", even though they were just mainline Protestants. I suppose it comes down to if you see recovery for alcohol as purely secular or not.

AA is dogmatic as an organization and skews Christian but the "anonymous" part is seriously taken enough that it precludes the sort of cult-of-personality and desire to "move into a position of power in the broader org" that seems to be a feature of most organized religion.

On the other hand that doesn't mean it doesn't still draw people who want to be controlling, or are really there to prey sexually on early-recovery vulnerable people, etc. If you go to an NA meeting in Washington DC led by your queer sponser you'll have a very different experience of "the program" than if you go to an AA meeting in rural Western NY (which may as well be the deep south, in places).

scary ghost dog posted:

under what circumstance do you imagine yourself desiring, acquiring and consuming psychedelics in a world where your material needs are not found wanting and your spiritual needs are not exaggerated as a consequence? do you picture yourself a tribal seer? do you imagine that a communist society that emerges prior to, instead of as a consequence of, a capitalist society would find recreational use of psychedelic drugs to be a worthwhile endeavor? or are you just completely sure that you would be a sadbrained depressed goon no matter the economic system under which society has developed and you will always need psychedelics to avoid spiralling into a depressive state

Real hurthling! posted:

drugs are fun op

Cabbages and VHS has issued a correction as of 23:15 on Mar 15, 2024

# ? Mar 15, 2024 23:06

Former Everything: Nov 28, 2007; Is this right?

I guess if you're gonna pretend there's ever going to be anything other than ever-increasing violent fascist oligarchy you might as well pretend that imaginary future is so awesome no person will ever want to take drugs or drink again

# ? Mar 15, 2024 23:18

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

mawarannahr posted:

what the gently caress did I just find out about
New York divorce coercion gang

guess what? they let Epstein out early after 7 of 10 years (and it was reported he dodged a life sentence)

Baruch Matir Asurim Reb Mendel Epstein Returns Home - Lakewood News Network

feminist hero

# ? Mar 15, 2024 23:32

Megamissen: Jul 19, 2022; any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

mawarannahr posted:

what the gently caress did I just find out about
New York divorce coercion gang

guess what? they let Epstein out early after 7 of 10 years (and it was reported he dodged a life sentence)

Baruch Matir Asurim Reb Mendel Epstein Returns Home - Lakewood News Network

the jewish community in new york gets up to some wild stuff

# ? Mar 15, 2024 23:32

maxwellhill: Jan 5, 2022

Former Everything posted:

I guess if you're gonna pretend there's ever going to be anything other than ever-increasing violent fascist oligarchy you might as well pretend that imaginary future is so awesome no person will ever want to take drugs or drink again

they're already pretending to hold a leftist position online so they're used to it

# ? Mar 15, 2024 23:36

scary ghost dog: Aug 5, 2007

maxwellhill posted:

they're already pretending to hold a leftist position online so they're used to it

yeah youre a shining beacon of sincerity and honesty. what was your banned account called

# ? Mar 15, 2024 23:53

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Doktor Avalanche posted:

feminist hero

# ? Mar 15, 2024 23:56

OH MY BAD: Feb 5, 2024; by Pragmatica

selec posted:

any temperance movement in a capitalist structure is just going to be used primarily to discipline the members of the working class. this was obvious during prohibition in America, and continues under the war on drugs.

drugs grew up with us as we developed societies. if your planned culture has no room or role for intoxicants as cultural tools and even pleasure-seeking tools it�s something a nerd cooked up with a spreadsheet and can be safely disregarded.

material conditions drive the individual relationship with intoxicants, just like they do every other relationship you have under capitalism. you can�t get sober your way out of capitalism, and any movement that places sobriety in a list of goals for effectiveness is pre-alienating people for whom intoxicants mean survival and even joy. meet the workers where they are and focus on the goals of a movement, not a picture of a worker you can beat off to because you imagine them to be free of all taint.

who are these people you're referencing

# ? Mar 16, 2024 01:27

OH MY BAD: Feb 5, 2024; by Pragmatica

who can't survive without drugs? addicts? we should be worried about alienating drug addicts? i dont care about alienating drug addicts.

# ? Mar 16, 2024 01:28

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

maxwellhill posted:

they're already pretending to hold a leftist position online so they're used to it

I'm temperate offline as well.

# ? Mar 16, 2024 01:28

Maed: Aug 23, 2006

FF thinks all drug users are poors who own pit bulls that eat 10 infants per year so might not wanna listen to him and his CATO wife talking points

# ? Mar 16, 2024 01:43

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

And some, I assume, are good people.

# ? Mar 16, 2024 01:48

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# ? May 24, 2024 03:10

Corky Romanovsky: Oct 1, 2006; Soiled Meat

Why the gently caress is this clip in the netflix show? Was the guy loving with her and showed her a doctored tape to discredit himself and also her? Is she making this poo poo up to gently caress with us? Who made the doctored footage for the netflix show? I was recently watching the other documentary about the Kennedy autopsy and it included Zapruder footage and nothing looked out of place.

https://twitter.com/CHECKYSTOMPER69/status/1768429140552904958

# ? Mar 16, 2024 01:50

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