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free hubcaps posted:Isn't the issue with tiktok related to the fact that the Chinese government insists on having some sort of back end access to the app for security reasons? There is zero evidence for the Chinese government having back end access to the app. Even the ex-employees who have testified the Chinese government has taken data were saying it was various one-time things. (Like "gimme every tiktok user in hong kong who talks about protests".) I think you may be getting confused with Section 702, the law that gave the US government back-end access to all communication and allowed limitless mass surveillance of US citizens as long as the NSA could claim it was "incidental".
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Borscht posted:We should trade. China unbans Google, Facebook, (not twitter), and craigslist and we keep ticktock
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Grand Fromage posted:Apparently Grindr was also a Chinese company that was force-sold for similar reasons so this isn't even unprecedented if they do it. There's two sets of laws in play here and both go back to around WW1. To own a media company in the US, you must be a US citizen. Now, they argue that companies like Google or Tiktok aren't media companies because 1.they don't create their own content and 2. Being on the internet makes them "technology companies " instead of media companies. The other law is a slate of national security divestment laws. This is what happened with Grndr. There is an entire organization, The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, that makes these determinations. Tiktok in this case just ignored the CFIUS and forced the issue to congress. This specifically requires that the company cannot be owned by a country on the foreign adversary list which includes China. Tiktok could be sold to any country in the EU or whatever with no issues. In the past Tiktok has entered into data protection agreements with the US government to avoid divesture but they've been caught violating those agreements several times now.
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Klyith posted:There is zero evidence for the Chinese government having back end access to the app. Even the ex-employees who have testified the Chinese government has taken data were saying it was various one-time things. (Like "gimme every tiktok user in hong kong who talks about protests".) That isn't exactly a "one time thing", thats the govt using the app in a mass persecution campaign? And tiktok's claims that they wouldn't comply with government requests to turn over data are laughable.
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Grand Fromage posted:Apparently Grindr was also a Chinese company that was force-sold for similar reasons so this isn't even unprecedented if they do it. the "national security reasons" for Grindr were real (the fear that theyd out closeted U.S. government and military officials) Silicon Valley was a documentary that was fictionalized to make it less sensationalistic and more plausible than reality
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eSports Chaebol posted:the "national security reasons" for Grindr were real (the fear that theyd out closeted U.S. government and military officials) And again, grindr wasn't banned, only change was the bank accounts. "It's not national security when we do it"
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Eh, they just proved the platform's power as a tool of propaganda by telling their users the app was facing a ban and prompting users to enter their zip and provide them with their representatives' contact number. It'll be interesting to see how the bill does in the senate. Trump has positioned himself against the bill as it appears one of his billionaire donors has a large financial stake.
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:And again, grindr wasn't banned, only change was the bank accounts. "It's not national security when we do it" And again, this isn't a bill to ban tiktok, but a divesture which is the exact same thing as grndr.
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The junk collector posted:And again, this isn't a bill to ban tiktok, but a divesture which is the exact same thing as grndr. Which reveals the national security argument for the convenient alibi that it is. We agree?
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Big rear end On Fire posted:Eh, they just proved the platform's power as a tool of propaganda by telling their users the app was facing a ban and prompting users to enter their zip and provide them with their representatives' contact number. this completely solidified the house banning it, lol
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The primary news source of a huge chunk of the US' population being under the thumb of its increasingly explicit enemy is such a straightforwardly huge risk that I'm kind of baffled that trying to sever that link is even mildly controversial. Even if the PRC isn't tipping the scales already (and wasn't there a big thing that came out a few months back that seems to strongly imply they are?), this isn't the kind of thing we need dangling over our heads. I don't think the data protection issue is even a blip in comparison really. China probably already has the data they could possibly want on each of us.
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If your objection to tiktok is being scared about americas news consumption, oh boy
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my objection to tiktok is it sucks.
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they killed vine because gay and black people took it over and now theyre mad at the consequences
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:If your objection to tiktok is being scared about americas news consumption, oh boy Yes ownership of media by politically active billionaires also needs to be banned
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NoiseAnnoys posted:my objection to tiktok is it sucks. Strategic Tea posted:Yes ownership of media by politically active billionaires also needs to be banned Yes. It all sucks. It's dumb they're being weird about tiktok alone
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it's pretty hypocritical for the CCP to demand backdoor access to tiktok and yet at the same time tiktok does not allow videos of backdoor access
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suspect the Senate will stall the bill but TikTok will take the hint and begin steering Western market users to a narrower range of content; it was certainly going to do so anyway (it's still turning losses and needs TikTok Shop to get off the ground sooner rather than later, and what was good for rapid user growth is not necessarily good for promoting the purchase of goods and services. In particular TikTok wants more older users with more disposable income...) both Europe and China (!) markets require platforms to offer non-tailored recommendations as an option and to be able to explain to users why some content is recommended over others in tailored feeds; it's not a novel concept if it pulls it off it might even have the gumption to return to Hong Kong, too; that's when you'll know it's really neutered
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hong kong is dead as a place for chinese companies to escape chinese regulations, it's singapore and vancouver now
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Mozi posted:it's pretty hypocritical for the CCP to demand backdoor access to tiktok and yet at the same time tiktok does not allow videos of backdoor access This is my biggest issue
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NoiseAnnoys posted:my objection to tiktok is it sucks.
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free hubcaps posted:Isn't the issue with tiktok related to the fact that the Chinese government insists on having some sort of back end access to the app for security reasons? I can’t speak to the former but yeah, what the teens using it think about politics actually doesn’t matter to Congress. And, to be clear, this isn’t an attempt to ban it, it’s an attempt to make the company that owns it divest it. It only gets banned if they don’t
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Yes. It all sucks. It's dumb they're being weird about tiktok alone "Owned by China" vs. "Owned by the billionaire who's paying for my campaign" are both bad but congress is actually able to act on one of them  Also lol at various Chinese mouthpieces calling the US paranoid xenophobes when not only is most US social media banned in China, Tiktok is banned in China. I dunno if Gaza has anything to do with it. On the one hand this has been in the works for awhile, but on the other now is when they got around to it.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Why the gently caress would they not have back-door access When Tiktok/Bytedance execs insist that they haven't built in any backdoor access for the CCP, it is likely a) true and b) irrelevant Because the CCP doesn't need backdoor access, they have frontdoor access. It's stipulated in Chinese cybersecurity law that tech companies grant the government unfettered access to user data, hire CCP officials to work at the highest levels of the company, and retain a 6-month backup of any data deleted by users. They're also required to immediately inform the government of any known exploits or security holes, while banning them from sharing them with any other entity. Actually fixing them is less prioritized because all governments rely on undisclosed and unpatched exploits for cyber-espionage purposes. The concern isn't that the CCP is going to see videos of every dipshit teen dance, it's that some of those teens will share a household with a parent who is a valuable target. And the Tiktok app collects a huge volume of data as it is, having info on every router that the daughter of a military official or scientist connects to and every wifi network they walk in the vicinity of can be a pretty big leg-up for targeted cyberespionage Of course you can't expect congress to wrap their heads around that, so they worry about influence ops.
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yeah neither the US nor PRC position on this is that complicated. "We want to spy on everyone foreign and domestic, while limiting our geopolitical rivals' ability to do the same".
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Yes but have considered the fact that GOVT IS TRYING TO BAN THE THING I LIKE?!?  No I will not learn a single thing more than that unless it's force fed to me via Tik Tok's algorithmic filter.
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the fact that Apple was willing to have an extremely public PR pissing match when USG dusted off the All Writs Act for the FarookPhone, yet handed master iCloud keys to CCP without a second thought, really says everything you need to know about your individual rights in the two countries
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Shumagorath posted:the fact that Apple was willing to have an extremely public PR pissing match when USG dusted off the All Writs Act for the FarookPhone, yet handed master iCloud keys to CCP without a second thought, really says everything you need to know about
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yes, that’s the problem. you really cracked the case
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Starting to think these CCP fellows aren't very nice.
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TrashMammal posted:yes, that’s the problem. you really cracked the case i mean, they're getting their money from apple stock, which would take a huge poo poo if apple got kicked out of half their market and their entire manufacturing base
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Cactus Ghost posted:i mean, they're getting their money from apple stock, which would take a huge poo poo if apple got kicked out of half their market and their entire manufacturing base "you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack" -you
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i stand by what i said
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I mean, it'd be pretty hard to sit down.
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Before we debate it further, it's important to reiterate what a bottomless well of highly original quality unscripted content Tik Tok truly is. https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7323636970205302059
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If nothing of any value is lost, or even something sucks rear end, then the means can be whatever, anything at all, to justify the ends
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oh no I watched that 
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TEMPLE GRANDIN OS posted:oh no I watched that now you’re a ccp agent, sorry
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pls don't tell trudeau
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