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Ramrod Hotshot posted:https://twitter.com/Thatoneguy64/status/1769145447254311408 James Cromwell is Californian! He's just known for a famous role he did with a British accent.
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apatheticman posted:https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/grimes-wanted-to-direct-dune-1234707150/ Dull Wahad
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Neo Rasa posted:Who's everyone's favorite minor character? I think mine might be the woman who's job is to drown the worms to produce more water of life. It occurs to me that the drowner-of-worms is the only Fremen to know what it feels like to have wet feet.
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I’m sure they have a black market for dipping pools
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Irulan straight up says that Leto's death basically broke her father, and the rest of the Corino scenes show her taking as much control as she can, culminating in her pledging her own hand to Paul in a bid to spare further violence. Walken's performance is deliberately diminished and distracted.
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Gotta say Florence Pugh’s performance begging for her dad to be spared was great
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The emperor is irrelevant since he is an aging patsy in a vulnerable position. The authority he wields is like a director who's name gets dropped in relation to a successful but old movie he made, ignoring any work he's done since.
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Cognac McCarthy posted:The final straw is when he has a vision of Jamis saying something like "when I'm crossing the desert, I climb the tallest dune to see as far as I can", i.e. "don't reject the advantage prescience will give you if you drink the water of life" Yeah, no. That wasn't Jamis, that was a djinn talking.
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Walken only had like 3 small scenes to work with. Just by casting him you get "eccentric old important manipulative guy" without having to waste running time on him.
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ruddiger posted:Did Stilgar have a nickname like Mua’Dib? A couple pages back for this, but apparently the Dune Encyclopedia (which Herbert did not write but did approve) says "Stilgar" is his nickname like Muad'dib, and his secret name like Usul is "Tuan." Or at least as the Dune wiki puts it: quote:Naib Stilgar Ben Fifrawi (10141 AG - 10228 AG), born as Tuan and more commonly known as Stilgar the Fremen or Stilgar the Naib, Don't really learn any Fremen's secret names aside from Paul and Chani, do we?
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They’d hardly be secret then! Another thing I’ve been wondering about- where do Fremen get food? They never mention farms or hunting, as far as I can remember.
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Tree Bucket posted:They’d hardly be secret then! It's really rare that I cite the movie, not the film, but it seems like they were farming birds and mice.
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Gervasius posted:I agree, it seems Walken was basically stunt casting. I expected way more from him. Brian Blessed’s whole performance as Thomas Beaufort always gives me chills in Henry V. God drat.
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disposablewords posted:A couple pages back for this, but apparently the Dune Encyclopedia (which Herbert did not write but did approve) says "Stilgar" is his nickname like Muad'dib, and his secret name like Usul is "Tuan." Or at least as the Dune wiki puts it: Thanks for answering!
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Just saw the movie, really enjoyed it. I've never really had any exposure to Dune other than pop culture so my one big question after seeing it is how do they get off the worms?
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Chekans 3 16 posted:Just saw the movie, really enjoyed it. I've never really had any exposure to Dune other than pop culture so my one big question after seeing it is how do they get off the worms? They essentially ride the worm to exhaustion. I don't have the book handy to quote it, but I remember a fremen describing the sandworms as "sulking" after they're ridden.
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Yup. The Fremen measure distance by the number of worms they have to tire out to reach a place. They're not for short trips, but when you want to travel fast and far across the open desert.
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Hannibal Rex posted:Yeah, no. That wasn't Jamis, that was a djinn talking. I can't tell if this is a joke or not
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It was one of the smaller centipedes actually
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I haven’t read the books and only saw the first movie (of this new set) once when it came out, so maybe this is obvious, but: Do sandworms create Water of Life out of basically digesting spice? Or is the other way around, spice gets into the sand by sandworms mixing it with their blood?
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Hannibal Rex posted:Yeah, no. That wasn't Jamis, that was a djinn talking. I got the impression the implication was that the djinn are a folklore way of talking about both relatively mundane hallucinations from loneliness when crossing the desert, and Spice visions that are probably pretty common among Fremen. And they probably blend into one another.
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Eason the Fifth posted:They essentially ride the worm to exhaustion. I don't have the book handy to quote it, but I remember a fremen describing the sandworms as "sulking" after they're ridden. The idea is that basically you can only really safely dismount a worm when it's too tired to turn around and eat you.
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I read an article about Dune's cinematographer. They had trouble with Paul's first worm ride because obviously nothing in reality moves like that. So in the end, they opted for the feeling of being dumped by a massive wave and not knowing which way is up. It works!
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Dune Part 2 (2024, d. Villeneuve)
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Tree Bucket posted:I read an article about Dune's cinematographer. They had trouble with Paul's first worm ride because obviously nothing in reality moves like that. So in the end, they opted for the feeling of being dumped by a massive wave and not knowing which way is up. That explains why it worked so well, my favorite part of it was during his like initial jump. There's that close shot at the start where you just see nothing but the cloud of sand and parts of his hooks showing up through it. But the sound and the sense of momentum even in that moment is so well done.
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That's extra great because it's a completely fitting metaphor. Dammit, now I want to see Surf Dune. Wave? Or just Point Break? Or Avatar 2.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's extra great because it's a completely fitting metaphor. Dammit, now I want to see Surf Dune. Wave? Or just Point Break? Or Avatar 2. Over in the GBS Dune thread, someone noted that the Frank-approved-but-not-entirely-canon Dune Encyclopedia mentions that the garden in the Arrakis palace was planted by a person from a planet named (sigh) Humidis. The following conversation culminated in 
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dpkg chopra posted:I haven’t read the books and only saw the first movie (of this new set) once when it came out, so maybe this is obvious, but: My info my be incorrect but water is essentially toxic for a sandworm in high quantities. However, miniscule quantities of water are important to create spice. A dose of water so high as being thrown into a pool means the creation of a highly raw, concentrated and toxic form of the water of life, what would instead become spice in the miniscule quantities of the desert sands.
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Lobster Henry posted:I followed all that, although tbh I’m not sure that the attack on Sietch Tabr, as presented, can entirely bear the weight of being the turning point in this whole arc. As a non-book reader, the Sietch Tabr attack definitely felt weirdly cursory and weightless for a moment that's supposed to be Paul's big turning point. I think that's partly on the Harkonnen scenes spending a bit too much time on throat-slitting and not enough on anything else (other than the insight that poor Rabban likes to sleep in during the mornings, we don't really get to see how Feyd-Rautha is a more dangerous strategist than his brother or how the tide is now turning back against the Fremen), partly on the demands of a complicated story told at speed (it's hard to feel any tangible impact from the loss of the Sietch as a Fremen sanctuary when Paul, Chani and co have been happily teleporting across the desert from scene to scene for the past hour) and partly because fidelity to the books requires that characters who no longer have much to contribute to this specific story need to be kept around all the same (Stilgar dying in the attack and forcing Paul's hand would have made perfect narrative sense to me). There's also a particular structural choice that Villeneuve makes - to have the first twenty minutes of the film take place at a relatively slow pace right after the end of the first movie, then start rapidly leaping forward after Paul sets out into the desert on his vision quest - that I think strangely unbalances the movie as a whole. We spend more time with our heroes in danger during that first action sequence on the cliffs (which is a lovely scene but essentially unimportant to the overall story) than we do at either the Sietch attack or the final battle, which is a real oddity to me.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's extra great because it's a completely fitting metaphor. Dammit, now I want to see Surf Dune. Wave? Or just Point Break? Or Avatar 2. Avatar 1 is Jungle Dune Avatar 2 is Sea Dune DUNC is Sand Dune There's still room for ice, lava, and maybe mushroom land too. Tree Bucket posted:Over in the GBS Dune thread, someone noted that the Frank-approved-but-not-entirely-canon Dune Encyclopedia mentions that the garden in the Arrakis palace was planted by a person from a planet named (sigh) Humidis. The following conversation culminated in 
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YaketySass posted:Avatar 1 is Jungle Dune Labyrinth Dune Scrap Brain Dune Casino Dune
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Martman posted:lord of the rings is Dunedain In a hole in the ground there lived a Fremen. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms (okay sometimes) and an oozy smell, but totally a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a sietch-hole, and that means fort.
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Mario is mushroom land Dune. That said I mostly wanted to picture surfer dude Fremen.
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grobbo posted:As a non-book reader, the Sietch Tabr attack definitely felt weirdly cursory and weightless for a moment that's supposed to be Paul's big turning point. I agree I think the first half could have used some more cuts to make room to breathe in the second half. Something interesting from the Dune encyclopedia: the spice molecule presented in the book does indeed react with water and change shape and composition. It loses a copper atom and relaxes into a different shape. They built the structure on periodic videos and an organic chemist pointed out its unusual copper complex that wouldn't be stable on a humid planet. Water of life confirmed?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Mario is mushroom land Dune. That said I mostly wanted to picture surfer dude Fremen. Another one from the archives 
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Cognac McCarthy posted:I can't tell if this is a joke or not Half a joke? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember any Fremen djinn stories from the books. So Villeneuve included it for a reason. That reason being, to give Paul's visions a sinister undertone. Maybe someone who's going to watch it again can pay attention to how well this reading aligns. I don't see any other purpose for the djinn story, unless it's setup for part 3, and Alia.
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