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Monica Bellucci posted:Mostly no Zendaya in the first one. This is happening but it's Known IP, greenlight four-quad demo titles that transcend demographics Treat the source material with respect and the fans will come. Hands off unless reshoots are needed, testing will determine. Lessons: Five Nights at Freddy's. Eventize the theater-going experience, hire influencers to dress up and create combustible moments Full 360 campaign to increase unaided awareness with activations and media placement Make concessions appear like sex toys Prepare for post-Tik Tok social campaign pivot: more discussion needed. Schedule brainstorm. Instagram? Back to Twitter? Cocaine: how much before it begins to deter enjoyment of the blowjob experience. Find the line. Heh. Line.
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Executives: What other Herbert properties can we adapt? Answer: Hellstrom's Hive, the series
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dune has proven itself hard to not be 4-quadrant at all. basically 70% men, one of the most male serious-budget movies of all time
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Well I'm not talking about Dune, I'm talking about what to greenlight but okay
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Here’s my unifying theory of all the Dune books (by Frank and his son alike): That's a nice take on it. 
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khwarezm posted:Oppenheimer though probably does have some suit trying to make the next big movie about a real life morally ambiguous genius unleashing horrors upon the earth. Jerry Bruckheimer presents: Midgley
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Hannibal Rex posted:Jerry Bruckheimer presents: Midgley Warner bros coming up from behind with their Fritz Haber five part epic with Chris Pratt as Haber, Sydney Sweeney as Clara Immerwahr and Anthony Mackie as Kaiser Wilhelm II.
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If I wanted a non-Dune Herbert work to be adapted, I'd have to go weird and say Whipping Star.
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Definitely the Heavenmakers for being hilariously problematic and also featuring a god you worship by tripping so many balls a big yellow dragon or whatever the gently caress thing appears and an alien race that has vagina-shaped faces, blue skin, and genitals in their hair (the last two of course for the hilarity of "did Frank Herbert rip off Avatar?" internet posts.
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Here’s my unifying theory of all the Dune books (by Frank and his son alike): some goon posted:Frank wrote Heretics when he was really horny, and he wrote Chapterhouse when he was really hungry.
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I kinda want someone to be dumb enough to try Book of the New Sun
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I want a Jesus Incident movie. Which can also probably generate some Avatar ripoff accusations too.
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StashAugustine posted:I kinda want someone to be dumb enough to try Book of the New Sun I feel like the video games King's Field 2 and King's Field the Ancient City are the closest we'll ever get to that.
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Neo Rasa posted:I feel like the video games King's Field 2 and King's Field the Ancient City are the closest we'll ever get to that. Yeah FromSoft games do have a similar vibe- I wonder if it's intentional or just parallel evolution
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StashAugustine posted:I kinda want someone to be dumb enough to try Book of the New Sun It'd be a very tough series to adapt, though i think the story and setting would stand on its own even without all the nuance. Similarly I'd love to see a creative director do an adaptstion of some Jack Vance that really blurred the line between fantasy and sf, technology and magic. A Cugel the Clever miniseries would be awesome as hell.
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StashAugustine posted:Yeah FromSoft games do have a similar vibe- I wonder if it's intentional or just parallel evolution I think it's both!  I do think it's intentional for some of them, like King's Field 2 especially you're character is sorta disgraced and has to travel under a different name and your old master gives you a special sword before you go and you start out having to make your way to and through an old garrison and stuff. There's some prominent item's in the game named Silverian's Key (not QUITE Severian but come on  ) kind of stuff too. It's not a ripoff of Book of the New Sun but clearly the devs knew what was up.The books were fairly popular in Japan and got official translations with baller cover art and everything so it wouldn't surprise me, I think it's also a happy coincidence that it kind of meshes perfectly with the sort of dungeon crawlers that were big in Japan in the 80s and inspired King's Field 1 too. Hidetaka Miyazaki was at From for a little but of course first became a name directing Demon's Souls+Dark Souls. I can't find the link right now but there was an interesting interview with him where he mentions how a big inspiration for him was his going to the library as a kid and being into all these fantasy stories but due to a mix of what he'd have access to either being in English or due to translation differences and him being a kid, his kind of not getting the whole picture and having to piece things together later and those little moments where something clicks. I'm sure he wasn't the only person into fantasy stories as a kid with that experience that then went into game dev, so I do think there's some parallel evolution there where D&D being a thing, and then the way in which Japanese computer devs would try to work that experience into a video game, you get that same kind of feel. Cool covers imo, given the nature of his job in the story I think it's interesting how ornamental/purely ceremonial the mask seems compared to the full face covering one in much of the western art.     free hubcaps posted:It'd be a very tough series to adapt, though i think the story and setting would stand on its own even without all the nuance. Similarly I'd love to see a creative director do an adaptstion of some Jack Vance that really blurred the line between fantasy and sf, technology and magic. A Cugel the Clever miniseries would be awesome as hell. It'd be weird, but I'd almost love to see a Cugel the Clever series where you never actually see Cugel much, maybe not a full first person view movie but like, something where the emphasis is on people reacting to/dealing with the whirlwind of bullshit he spins and causes everywhere he goes lol
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Neo Rasa posted:It'd be weird, but I'd almost love to see a Cugel the Clever series where you never actually see Cugel much, maybe not a full first person view movie but like, something where the emphasis is on people reacting to/dealing with the whirlwind of bullshit he spins and causes everywhere he goes lol I'm thinking maybe a comedy, Cugel definitely comes across as a Michael Scott or GOB Bluth kind of character, a moron who's utterly convinced of his superior intelligence. Dying Earth in general would make for a really cool anthology series though. Maybe animated for maximum weirdness potential.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I'm thinking maybe a comedy, Cugel definitely comes across as a Michael Scott or GOB Bluth kind of character, a moron who's utterly convinced of his superior intelligence.
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Yeah I think comedy would be the way to go, I mean the story basically goes that route anyway where it gets to the point where he's so dumb and hungry he eats some interdimensional octopus being for lunch and then has to travel a million years into the past or whatever
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I want a Jesus Incident movie. Which can also probably generate some Avatar ripoff accusations too. I want that movie so I can pretend it's an Alpha Centauri movie.
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We’re only making plans within plans, for Nigel.
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disposablewords posted:Yeah even in a normal theater I felt some sound effects vibrating in my sternum. Some of it was "holy poo poo turn the volume down" and some of it was a deep and abiding love for powerful, powerful bass in that movie. 
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It's the deafening silence that sticks with me.
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I wasn't sure what to make of Feyd-Rautha. Like they set him up to be a bit of a cocky bitch what with playing dirty in the arena with his big impressive triumph being that he kills a random Atreides soldier. Like it's a big deal for the Baron, for him and also for the Bene Gesserit that he kills some guy. How is that a noteworthy feat? But then later against both Rabban and Paul he is able to hold his own so he is actually good at fighting, so I don't get the big deal everyone makes about the arena feat. I need to reread the book, I know it's a bit different there, but does it play out in a substantially different way?
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niethan posted:I wasn't sure what to make of Feyd-Rautha. Like they set him up to be a bit of a cocky bitch what with playing dirty in the arena with his big impressive triumph being that he kills a random Atreides soldier. Like it's a big deal for the Baron, for him and also for the Bene Gesserit that he kills some guy. How is that a noteworthy feat? The Atreides soldiers were trained by Duncan and Gurney so any seasoned Atreides vet is going to be very capable. I think the Baron was impressed not by the fighting but by Feyd putting himself in real danger for that ploy of his to use an undrugged gladiator on purpose and make it look accidental. Also in the book the gladiator gets a barbed lance in his arm from one of the Harkonnen rodeo clowns but he ends up using it as a defense, blocking Feyd's knife with it, which makes Feyd seem a bit more stupid. In the book, it's actually more touch and go from what I remember but also in the book he has a few more tricks up his sleeve than shown in the movie (hypnotic code word, secretly switching the poisoned and clean blades). So overall I think it about evens out in the book vs movie?
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one of the big reasons for killing the atreides is that their top soldiers are very comparable to the sardaukar
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bob dobbs is dead posted:one of the big reasons for killing the atreides is that their top soldiers are very comparable to the sardaukar Its kind of a bummer that the one time Atreides troops face off against Sarduakar in DUNC, they get brutally owned and don't kill a single one
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Yeah, but they were fighting in their pyjamas. And they still dominated the harkonen troops on the stairs. It took surprise and an envelopment to take them out.
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Vampire Panties posted:Its kind of a bummer that the one time Atreides troops face off against Sarduakar in DUNC, they get brutally owned and don't kill a single one Sardaukar are 100x cooler throat singing than they are fighting.
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Elukka posted:I think there are a couple things here the movies failed to sell: That the Atreides legions are really good, and that the Sardaukar are ultra-badass. We don't really see either. We're just told this is the case. I think this could probably be solved by adjusting a few of the action scenes in the first film. We need to actually see the Atreides convincingly dunc on the Harkonnen until the Sardaukar show up. And then we need to see the Sardaukar do something more impressive than defeating a bunch of outnumbered and encircled Atreides troops. As is, the Atreides troops feel weak, which makes the Sardaukar feat of defeating them unimpressive, which makes the Sardaukar look average, which makes Duncan Idaho defeating a bunch of them come across as your average movie protagonist dealing with a bunch of mooks. It's an "Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise" kind of issue - you're told they're supposed to be real impressive but they just turn out to be mooks for the heroes to beat. Iirc DUNC does show the outnumbered atreides loving up the harkonnen troops even without their armor on, though it's a brief scene and they get cut down by the sards moments later. VV the Dr. Yueh stuff always bothered me too, like kidnapping someone's wife seems like the most basic level of serious blackmail. free hubcaps fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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The Sardaukar being described as amazing but being chumps whenever we actually see them is a problem in the book too. They beat the Atreides army by Harkonnen trickery (sealing them in the caves) not by any superiority in combat. and their attempt to genocide the Fremen is a complete debacle, every time they go up against them they take like 5x their casualties or something ridiculous. I would connect it to the Suk doctor stuff. The only thing you ever hear about these guys is that they’re imperially conditioned and couldn’t possibly be untrustworthy, but the only thing you ever see one do is sell his boss out as part of a really basic scheme that you’d think anyone in a society like this would be conditioned to resist. I think it’s intentional in other words that the empire is hollow and its values suck. Its claim to supremacy is propagandistic (the Guild and the BGs are the ones really in charge and stop the emperor playing with his toy soldiers as soon as the situation gets serious) and being “as good as the Sardaukar”, while it was impressive for the Atreides, isn’t really all that good.
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the atreides became a force to be reckoned with once they understood the underlying harshness of the universe by accepting that in arrakis there are no showers, you scrub your rear end with sand
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Yueh's Imperial Conditioning being broken was a wheels-within-wheels thing in the book that he doesn't understand. Jessica noted his wife left signs of Bene Gesserit tampering on him, which might have been something Piter understood he could use to counter-condition him into wanting the Baron dead. He was trained to deceive a Bene Gesserit. There's a bit where he almost realizes his wife and the Bene Gesserit involved him in a greater plot.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:one of the big reasons for killing the atreides is that their top soldiers are very comparable to the sardaukar Shaddam IV didn't know he was sending Leto to a planet where Leto might've been able to get a fighting force that're better than the Sardukar, while also being more advanced than anyone suspected (by Fremen design). skasion posted:The Sardaukar being described as amazing but being chumps whenever we actually see them is a problem in the book too. They beat the Atreides army by Harkonnen trickery (sealing them in the caves) not by any superiority in combat. and their attempt to genocide the Fremen is a complete debacle, every time they go up against them they take like 5x their casualties or something ridiculous. Everything's stagnated to a degree that's hurting everyone - that's the "race conciousness" that a young Paul Atreides fears. It's the ultimate irony that he's broken by the very system that put him in a position to attempt to escape, only to end up releasing the Fremen jihad that he was trying to avoid, because his father and son were killed by products of that system. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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the book posted:"Any area is open to my speculation if it does what you’ve hired me to do," Hawat said. "I am a Mentat. You do not withhold information or computation lines from a Mentat."
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The emperor was at least somewhat wise to that possibility about Arrakis too. Look how Fenring reacts when the Baron muses about making Arrakis a prison planet (and for any reader who didn’t get it, Herbert has Thufir explain to the Baron that he accidentally told the emperor’s hatchet man that he plans to set up his own private Sardaukar)quote:“Why is the Emperor so interested in exterminating the Fremen?” the Baron asked. skasion fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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Halloween Jack posted:We’re only making plans within plans, for Nigel. lol
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“What possible connection is there between Arrakis and Salusa Secundus?” He really was a failed Kwisatz Haderach, wasn't he?
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free hubcaps posted:Similarly I'd love to see a creative director do an adaptstion of some Jack Vance that really blurred the line between fantasy and sf, technology and magic. A Cugel the Clever miniseries would be awesome as hell. StashAugustine posted:I kinda want someone to be dumb enough to try Book of the New Sun
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free hubcaps posted:Iirc DUNC does show the outnumbered atreides loving up the harkonnen troops even without their armor on, though it's a brief scene and they get cut down by the sards moments later. "sards" sounds like a french venerial disease
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