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The Oldest Man posted:Cops are transforming into a new privileged warrior elite caste, and are entitled to extract a living from their caste inferiors Seattle council has been discussing providing subsidized housing for cops. e: you know this anyway sorry lol mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 18:25 on Mar 16, 2024 |
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mawarannahr posted:Seattle council has been discussing providing subsidized housing for cops. e: you know this anyway sorry lol IIrc a little while ago we made it so "first responders" don't have to pay property taxes here or something stupid like that
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Mar 16, 2024 18:25
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mawarannahr posted:it's quite widespread apparently, although I've mostly seen pics of and witnessed in person the kind where it's like 2 bananas with Saran Wrap in a styrofoam tray of the kind they usually sell meat in. grocery stores in south africa did that because they didn't have a scale at the cash register, so produce is all pre-weighed and fossil fuel wrapped. i opted for the cardboard box that had a bunch individual bananas lined up with cling wrap over the open front, but it still felt gross.
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mawarannahr posted:Seattle council has been discussing providing subsidized housing for cops. e: you know this anyway sorry lol So then they’d like…have to live in the same jurisdiction where they work? surely they’d get cash instead to live in white flight exurbs instead
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Mar 17, 2024 04:54
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Proust Malone posted:So then they’d like…have to live in the same jurisdiction where they work? surely they’d get cash instead to live in white flight exurbs instead No. They would just become land lords.
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Mar 17, 2024 05:22
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Great, I can't wait to get levied by my cop lord to fight in some bullshit war
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Mar 18, 2024 02:12
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Ensign Expendable posted:Great, I can't wait to get levied by my cop lord to fight in some bullshit war lol, he’ll deputize you and then rent you out to walmart on black friday but at gun point only let you keep 10$.
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Mar 18, 2024 03:40
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It’s so clear the rich know shits tittering on the edge when you see what they’re doing with cops. Hyper militarization, thin blue line, us vs them your lives are more important than those you protect, laws that make sure they face no repercussions when killing someone as a cop, and now directly beholding them to those in power via housing when everyone else is being priced out onto the streets. Gotta make sure the class traitors know where to point their guns when poo poo hits the fan
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Mar 18, 2024 05:38
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well yeah
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Mar 18, 2024 06:06
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Milo and POTUS posted:well yeah
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Dr. VooDoo posted:It’s so clear the rich know shits tittering on the edge when you see what they’re doing with cops. Hyper militarization, thin blue line, us vs them your lives are more important than those you protect, laws that make sure they face no repercussions when killing someone as a cop, and now directly beholding them to those in power via housing when everyone else is being priced out onto the streets. Gotta make sure the class traitors know where to point their guns when poo poo hits the fan The irony is that when poo poo hits the fan, the rich and powerful will be subjected to the brutality as much as the rest of us non-cop-gang members
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Mar 18, 2024 12:53
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500excf type r posted:The irony is that when poo poo hits the fan, the rich and powerful will be subjected to the brutality as much as the rest of us non-cop-gang members Shock collar burns are a lagging indicator.
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Mar 18, 2024 15:07
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I gotta say the article from a few years back where the person hired as a doomsday consultant for billionaires revealed said billionaires were kept awake worrying how to keep bunker security loyal put a smile on my face.
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Mar 18, 2024 15:16
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Owlbear Camus posted:I gotta say the article from a few years back where the person hired as a doomsday consultant for billionaires revealed said billionaires were kept awake worrying how to keep bunker security loyal put a smile on my face. do you know where that is? i bring this up all the time
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cash crab posted:do you know where that is? i bring this up all the time https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff quote:The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time”.
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Mar 18, 2024 15:28
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fantastic, thank you
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Owlbear Camus posted:https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff lol at pro-social arguments just completely bouncing off these people who want to own slaves.
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save that crap for the disney flicks kid i gotta figure out how to connect shock collars to local wifi
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Mar 18, 2024 16:21
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ArmedZombie posted:lol at pro-social arguments just completely bouncing off these people who want to own slaves. Grudging respect for the hustle of the ex-SOF psychos who are probably getting a six-figure annual retainer to wait for the pager to go off and summon them to the luxury Y2K bunker security detail, where they will strangle whatever tech dork paymaster pretends to hold their leash day 1 and become masters of the luxury Y2K bunker.
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Mar 18, 2024 16:22
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They'll end up hiring cops, who will just kill them regardless of wheteher or not that means they'll be left without food lmao.
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Yeah that article was always super loving telling. Even the slightest amount of "we're in this together" attitude would probably be enough to keep people loyal considering as a side effect you're also saving your guards from the apocalypse and all, but they literally cannot fathom treating other people even close to equals so instead they're going to spend way more time and money thinking about how they can rig up the bomb collars so the guards can't just shoot them and take the bomb collar remote or whatever.
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Mar 18, 2024 17:01
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they don’t think workers are people
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Owlbear Camus posted:Grudging respect for the hustle of the ex-SOF psychos who are probably getting a six-figure annual retainer to wait for the pager to go off and summon them to the luxury Y2K bunker security detail, where they will strangle whatever tech dork paymaster pretends to hold their leash day 1 and become masters of the luxury Y2K bunker. I'm p sure these types are actually true believers in this poo poo and will follow their social betters to the bitter end
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Owlbear Camus posted:Grudging respect for the hustle of the ex-SOF psychos who are probably getting a six-figure annual retainer to wait for the pager to go off and summon them to the luxury Y2K bunker security detail, where they will strangle whatever tech dork paymaster pretends to hold their leash day 1 and become masters of the luxury Y2K bunker. I wish death upon them too, OP
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Mar 18, 2024 17:19
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Working Class Murderers vs Bourgeois Everyone Else
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Mar 18, 2024 17:27
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thread's getting pretty epic this morning
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Mar 18, 2024 17:29
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aw frig aw dang it posted:thread's getting pretty epic this morning 
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ArmedZombie posted:lol at pro-social arguments just completely bouncing off these people who want to own slaves. Pro-Social? What are you, some sort of communist??
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Mar 18, 2024 17:36
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mawarannahr posted:Seattle council has been discussing providing subsidized housing for cops. e: you know this anyway sorry lol Entitled to superior housing at caste inferiors' expense Entitled to take physical goods from caste inferiors at will Absolute right to do violence on caste inferiors, including deadly violence, with some minimal justifications that are easy to gin up after the violence is done Theoretical but not practical role in the social contract (their sustenance and privileges are iron-clad, their duty to the rest of society is entirely discretionary) We're basically talking about Edo period samurai here
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The Oldest Man posted:Entitled to superior housing at caste inferiors' expense I really couldn’t tell if you were talking about the billionaires or the cops at first.
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The Oldest Man posted:We're basically talking about Edo period samurai here careful now. it would be a very easy sell to get tons cops to run with this affectation, including a "tactical" tanto on their rig and a budk katana and wakazashi above the long gun rack in their cruisers.
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Is it considered a romantic fantasy when what you want is to be a feudal lord but don't understand the part where you have to at least pretend to provide some service to your serfs so they don't just murder you?
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BonHair posted:Is it considered a romantic fantasy when what you want is to be a feudal lord but don't understand the part where you have to at least pretend to provide some service to your serfs so they don't just murder you? https://academic.oup.com/isq/article/61/2/352/3852628?login=false quote:In the case of Tokugawa Japan, we know that rulers did face these threats. Historical records indicate that peasants banded together and rebelled (in some form) 1,787 times across the domains between 1603 and 1868, when the regime collapsed. According to Aoki (1971), 497 of those instances specifically involved resistance to taxation. Peasants collectively fled 35 times to avoid complying with a tax, out of 161 total collective desertions.3 The structure of village life and collective taxation fostered collective action. But was it effective? Were rebellious and mobile villagers able to win tax concessions from their rulers? Or did rulers repress in these domains? In other words, do we observe lower tax rates where peasants proved able to engage in fight or flight? Furthermore, were larger scale rebellions more successful, or was frequency of resistance more effective? Our study finds that peasants who organized large-scale insurrections, and those who deserted their villages collectively, were indeed able to gain tax relief. The only service that actually matters is how high the tax rate is relative to the serfs' willingness to put some aristocrats heads on spikes
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Owlbear Camus posted:careful now. it would be a very easy sell to get tons cops to run with this affectation, including a "tactical" tanto on their rig and a budk katana and wakazashi above the long gun rack in their cruisers. Watching cops accidentally stab themselves and each other would own though
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The Oldest Man posted:Entitled to superior housing at caste inferiors' expense shogun is a documentary?
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ArmedZombie posted:shogun is a documentary? i mean quote:Kiri-sute gomen (斬捨御免 or 切捨御免) is a Japanese expression regarding the feudal era tradition of right to strike: the right of samurai to strike and even kill with their sword anyone of a lower class who compromised their honour.[1] samurai even got administrative leave after killing people
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poemdexter posted:I really couldn’t tell if you were talking about the billionaires or the cops at first. Yes
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The Oldest Man posted:i mean Lmfao what the gently caress
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You could at least theoretically defend yourself, so it's still a better deal than what we've got, lol.
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poemdexter posted:I really couldn’t tell if you were talking about the billionaires or the cops at first. Also I wanted to come back to this. Cop power has, in the US at least, long been merely an arm of industrialist power, or industrialist power being made manifest in the form of guys with guns. And cops have been merely the cheapest way for the owning class to transform their economic power into the power of violence, by forcing the costs of maintaining a private dissent-crushing army on the public and propagandizing them relentlessly that it's for their own good; however, there are plenty of examples where the nominal public control of the cops was too much of an obstacle to the violence that needed to be done and the owning class simply hired mercenaries instead. However, that's starting to change, and the character of the cops themselves is starting to change in relation to where their economic power is derived. Housing subsidies and outrageous pay scales may appear, on the face, to be simply further entrenchment of a bureaucratic interest at public expense, but I'd argue we're seeing something different play out, particularly due to the vehicle of asset forfeiture. In a world where cop budgets (and thus, cops in general) can be sustained by simply stealing poo poo en masse from ordinary people, the lever of budgetary control over the scope and power of cops exercised by the civil bureaucracy and by their billionaire industrialist allies wanes. For the moment, they still depend on the civil bureaucracy to maintain their privileges, and they still rely on the billionaire class to propagandize the masses for them, but those strings are fraying. Basically what I believe we're looking at right now is a relatively rapid transition away from cops as members of a bureaucratic state function and toward a new warrior elite whose economic base is, for lack of a better term, institutionalized banditry.
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