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reading the letterboxd hate reviews on for poor things is wild. way too many people upset there was no mention of menstruation (??)
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Nic Cage is my fav nepo baby
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Mar 18, 2024 17:05
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:reading the letterboxd hate reviews on for poor things is wild. way too many people upset there was no mention of menstruation (??) is the lack of menstruation discussion in this movie woke or chud
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Mar 18, 2024 17:09
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Blood Boils posted:Nic Cage is my fav nepo baby mad?
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Mar 18, 2024 17:10
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loquacius posted:is the lack of menstruation discussion in this movie woke or chud chud. it was written by horny MEN
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Mar 18, 2024 17:12
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turning on poor things and i immediately turn into a tex avery wolf for two hours
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Mar 18, 2024 17:14
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Mar 18, 2024 17:15
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:chud. it was written by horny MEN wouldn't the archetypal creepy horny man choosing to go on at length about menstruation be worse? I can't keep up with these hyperspecific culture war grievances
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Mar 18, 2024 17:15
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loquacius posted:wouldn't the archetypal creepy horny man choosing to go on at length about menstruation be worse? I can't keep up with these hyperspecific culture war grievances that's the great thing about art, it's open to interpretation so if you're a person that likes getting mad about stuff you will always be able to find something to get mad at
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Mar 18, 2024 17:16
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i think its really funny that american audiences are completely unfamiliar with allegorical stories that when they see one they fuckin flip out
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Mar 18, 2024 17:16
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its an allegory!!!!! its like the phantom tollbooth!!!!!!!! you read that one at least right?!?!?!!?!?!
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Mar 18, 2024 17:17
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loquacius posted:wouldn't the archetypal creepy horny man choosing to go on at length about menstruation be worse? I can't keep up with these hyperspecific culture war grievances i think a lot of people were expecting something explicitly Feminist and when it wasn't that they decided it was the movie that was wrong
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Mar 18, 2024 17:17
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I still haven't managed to see this goddamn movie yet and I am fascinated at the idea that more menstruation content would have made it feminist
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Mar 18, 2024 17:19
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there was menstruation content you just couldnt hear it over the men in the audience constantly shouting VA VA VOOM
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Mar 18, 2024 17:21
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i would bet there is a cut menstruation scene that was cut because it didn't add anything to the story other than another joke about Bella not understanding her body despite looking like/being a full grown woman
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Mar 18, 2024 17:22
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one of the most refreshing things about it was there aren’t any stupid shamalan twists. it very much puts down the cards upfront on the table and plays them out a vastly dumber burgeroid writer/director would have tried to play up amnesia and then BUT BABY BRAIN as a twist at the end im a bit tired of there having to be twists in the writing for everything
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Mar 18, 2024 17:24
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Gumball Gumption posted:I also saw those tiktoks I'm sadly too old and boring to use tiktok, phpbb forums are as far as I'll go. I'm curious tho, what did they say
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Mar 18, 2024 17:24
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Women be shoppin
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Al! posted:there was menstruation content you just couldnt hear it over the men in the audience constantly shouting VA VA VOOM
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Mar 18, 2024 17:25
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Xaris posted:one of the most refreshing things about it was there aren’t any stupid shamalan twists. it very much puts down the cards upfront on the table and plays them out yup, I really enjoy movies that lay out the premise 15 minutes in and focus on doing a good job of bringing that poo poo home. the person who compared it to The Green Knight was right on the money, same thing there
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Mar 18, 2024 17:25
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:i don't think it's fair to call those characters "magical negroes" in a story where everyone is a storybook archetype tv tropes brain
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:the person who compared it to The Green Knight was right on the money, same thing there theyre both allegorical tales!!!! thats what im saying does nobody read tristram shandy anymore???
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Mar 18, 2024 17:28
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Here I go writing about Poor Things again but that's fine, I love it. I'll gladly prattle on about it endlessly. First of all, if you finish the movie and reduce it to something like "Oh 'Poor Things', that's Bella" or "that's the women" or "that's the men" or "that's the impoverished people who live in that lovely society" well no. Watch it again – you didn't understand. The source material is undeniably socialist/feminist. That colors the whole film and while I think there are clear elements of that it gets overwhelmed by Lanthimos/McNamara and their Gen X philosophy of authenticity. Bella may as well at one point be shouting "I didn't ask to be born" to her father, a character literally named God. Do you get it yet? And everyone she meets in the movie represents a very clear, rigid, crystallized view point for her. Everyone is a caricature of a school of thought for her to work through and push against as she assimilates all these ways of thinking into something that represents her "true" self. (Also important to note that nearly every character in the movie is interested in exploiting Bella in one way or another – there are no self-sacrificing Gandhi figures, everyone is scratching to survive as best they can, even Toinette.) Why does Bella go back with her husband at the end of the movie? Not because she wants to see what it's like to live as an aristocrat. She wants to know "was I a good person before" and the answer is emphatically "no." And ultimately Bella gets to be happy because she self-actualizes into an existence that she can accept as being "good", one dedicated to helping others instead of exploiting or manipulating them to survive. She's not depicted as perfect or saintly (she does essentially murder her husband) but she broke free of the cycle of suffering and is able to be happy on her own terms. For the sake of the movie we get the story book happy ending fade out.
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Mar 18, 2024 17:28
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tristeham posted:tv tropes brain It's a real term outside of tvtropes and it very much applies to the black characters in poor things who only exist to be quirky and help the development of the white protagonist while receiving no real characterization of their own.
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Mar 18, 2024 17:31
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Al! posted:there was menstruation content you just couldnt hear it over the men in the audience constantly shouting VA VA VOOM lol
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MLKQUOTEMACHINE posted:It's a real term outside of tvtropes and it very much applies to the black characters in poor things who only exist to be quirky and help the development of the white protagonist while receiving no real characterization of their own. lol
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tristeham posted:tv tropes brain Yup
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MLKQUOTEMACHINE posted:while receiving no real characterization of their own. and that’s good. now recontextualize your assessment with this newfound knowledge
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Mar 18, 2024 17:35
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Mar 18, 2024 17:36
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I saw that...
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Mar 18, 2024 17:36
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no more woke movies
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Xaris posted:edit dp
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Mar 18, 2024 17:37
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MLKQUOTEMACHINE posted:I'm sadly too old and boring to use tiktok, phpbb forums are as far as I'll go. I'm curious tho, what did they say That Harry and Toinette only exist in the story to teach Bella that poverty and bodily autonomy exist respectively and because of that they're magical negros or at least adjacent. It's a shallow understanding of the characters in my opinion because it misses half of what they're doing as characters and really stretches the definition of magical negro. It's a movie where every character primarily exists to teach Bella something.
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Mar 18, 2024 17:41
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the complete inability for americans to recognize that the events of a movie arent supposed to be literal ftw
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MLKQUOTEMACHINE posted:It's a real term outside of tvtropes and it very much applies to the black characters in poor things who only exist to be quirky and help the development of the white protagonist while receiving no real characterization of their own. Every character in Poor Things only exists to be quirky and help the development of the white protagonist while receiving no real characterization of their own.
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Mar 18, 2024 17:43
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Weembles posted:Every character in Poor Things only exists to be quirky and help the development of the white protagonist while receiving no real characterization of their own. a whole movie filled with magical negores, even non-Black ones!
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quote:A minority character will step forward to help the protagonist, with their pure heart and folksy wisdom, and possibly magic. They are usually black, but may come from another oppressed minority. They step into the life of the much more privileged (and, in particular, almost always white) central character and, in some way, enrich that central character's life. Astley is himself a wealthy student or professor, possibly aristocrat, who dedicates his life to philosophy and pleasure. He also explicitly tries to stifle Bella's growth the same way as any other archetype does in the movie. He represents pragmatism/nihilism. quote:Bella Baxter : If I know the world I can improve it. He's bored and wants a kindred spirit friend to traipse around the world with, not to help Bella.
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Godwin and Max get a little bit of characterization outside of Bella but that's only because we get to see them before her story really gets started and they are the only characters we really see interact with each other without her as a party to the conversation.
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Godwin is the closest we get to seeing a truly happy character in the movie (other than Bella), because he basically understands the cycle of suffering but cannot himself escape it
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