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Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
You are receiving this broadcast as a dream...We are transmitting from the year one nine... nine nine ...You are receiving this broadcast in order t

Is there a league guideline with IRS penalties? Seems odd as someone who does not know the cap rules that there is a penalty when it was inadvertent and did not cause them to go over or under the cap. Unless it was intentional, it was just not cap related?

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wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?

fsif posted:

I don't think anyone that actually posts here can credibly accuse someone else of being "terminally online" without glass shards slicing their faces.

Especially coming from someone who is a TikTok content creator.

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌
It takes me 5 minutes to create videos as a hobby but go off bad draft thread poster

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

New Love Glow

JPrime posted:

https://twitter.com/AZCardinals/status/1769820404317897022

titans fans what can you tell me about this dude

He basically averaged like one or two catches a game but they were basically all deep shots. Not much YAC ability but he was not a bad field stretcher.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Doltos posted:

It takes me 5 minutes to create videos as a hobby but go off bad draft thread poster

Sounds like someone has a posting enemy

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌
Many people claim to be my enemy but I've already made nice with my one and only forum enemy

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

that's what happens when you live with me in my house in muldraugh

Woozie66
Sep 8, 2009

I'll wait for the next era
https://twitter.com/GregDTWD/status/1769830614239261119?t=bSOoLWMcClis__mQxyjayA&s=19

Texans unis got leaked

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?
Texans uni leaked by someone on Reddit and it's easily able to be found on twitter if you want to look but uh, it's not great.

Edit: nevermind lol, it's right there

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


:geno:

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Looks like almost exactly like a Falcons white jersey I guess?

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/robert-griffin-caleb-williams-tell-bears-no.html

RG3 suggests Caleb Williams should pull an Eli and force the Bears to trade him, which isn't a bad suggestion, until...

quote:

Griffin then suggested Williams, who is from Washington DC, instead force a move to the Washington Commanders. The Commanders selected Griffin in the 2012 draft and he spent the most successful seasons of his career with the team.

Silly Burrito
Nov 27, 2007

SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT
what cap space issue

https://x.com/JohnJHendrix/status/1769833882898084043?s=20

Black Sunshine
Apr 4, 2004

LEFT 4 DEAD IS A LOT LIKE FOOTBALL - I JERK OFF TO BOTH
The NFL should force the Texans to rebrand as the Oilers and rock the powder blues, anything else is either aggressively mediocre or steaming dogshit

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Wedge Regret

Wow first reaction is those are really bad. Their previous uniforms were kinda generic and bland but not really awful.

Fifty Three
Oct 29, 2007

Contract question: If a player signs a contract with guaranteed money over X seasons, do incentives count towards that total guaranteed? For example let's say you sign a deal for 2 years, $10mil guaranteed and some extra incentives to make it a $20mil total contract. Between salary and incentives you end up making $8mil the first year, does that only leave $2mil guaranteed the next year or is it usually split out into $5mil per year or something?

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

seiferguy posted:

https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/robert-griffin-caleb-williams-tell-bears-no.html

RG3 suggests Caleb Williams should pull an Eli and force the Bears to trade him, which isn't a bad suggestion, until...

That’s some impressive loyalty considering how RG3 career ended

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

I got a taste for blown saves

I'm on my phone so my first reaction was huh the bears have a new uni but worse?

These are awful

e: maybe they'll look better in motion. and there's still the alternates to wait for I guess

Intruder fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Mar 18, 2024

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch

seiferguy posted:

https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/robert-griffin-caleb-williams-tell-bears-no.html

RG3 suggests Caleb Williams should pull an Eli and force the Bears to trade him, which isn't a bad suggestion, until...

dc has better receivers and a better line than chicago, i'd be pushing for there too

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?

Fifty Three posted:

Contract question: If a player signs a contract with guaranteed money over X seasons, do incentives count towards that total guaranteed? For example let's say you sign a deal for 2 years, $10mil guaranteed and some extra incentives to make it a $20mil total contract. Between salary and incentives you end up making $8mil the first year, does that only leave $2mil guaranteed the next year or is it usually split out into $5mil per year or something?

You can structure it many different ways. Whatever you are guaranteed you get paid regardless. In your example if you structure the $8m in the first year then you could cut ties after that year and have $2m in dead money (the player still gets that money). I can't remember how the incentives are paid out, if it's on the current seasons cap or rolls to the next (Kalli probably knows this).

The Saints with Chase guaranteed him $13m or whatever but his base pay will be like $1.2m. Then they likely will pay out the remaining $12m in a bonus which they will spread out over void years to the tune of 3 or 4 million in dead cap space over 3 or 4 seasons. Chase will still get all his money this year. At least, I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

Sono
Apr 9, 2008




Black Sunshine posted:

The NFL should force the Texans to rebrand as the Oilers and rock the powder blues, anything else is either aggressively mediocre or steaming dogshit

But then how would Titans ownership be able to spite the city of Houston for not practicing (enough) billionaire socialism?

Soul Glo
Aug 27, 2003

Just let it shine through
i liked the texans all red uniforms, they should wear those more

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

I got a taste for blown saves

Soul Glo posted:

i liked the texans all red uniforms, they should wear those more

I liked their red jersey/white pants combo, the ketchup bottle looked like rear end

Nervous
Jan 25, 2005

Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

Bismack Billabongo posted:

I think we can do better than scraping the bottom of the barrel for lame decade old jokes from a back roping creep. Maybe we can just start posting a bunch of great barstool content about whatever portnoys betting on today. Or we can bring back the guy who was posting lots of gifs of bouncing cheerleader tits with one sweaty hand. Cool offseason poo poo for the boys. You know

Rip Winkie01.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012


they gotta get these contracts out of nike's hands man we need fuckin umbro or something to come in and fix this poo poo

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

I got a taste for blown saves
why do nico and tank look like they're about to do the water escape trick

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Short version is incentives aren't guaranteed.

The "guaranteed" number is signing bonus + (usually not more then 2) years of guaranteed base salary + weird contract wording on some roster bonuses.

Teams also used to love "guarantees" for injury, but everyone realized that was complete horseshit years ago and has mostly stopped.

Incentives are on top of that and are either likely expected to be earned (LTBE) in which case they go on that year's cap, or not likely to be earned (NTLBE), in which case they aren't counted against the cap, but are applied to the next year's cap if they are hit. If a LTBE incentive is not hit, you get a cap credit for the money not paid out.

How they qualify has some rules to it, but basically boil down to: did you do it last year? Like $1m for 10+ sacks? if you got 5 the year before: unlikely, 13? likely.

There's also per game bonuses and workout bonuses, neither guaranteed for obvious reasons.

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

god qb
me
jay hova
I don't know why the Texans would de-emphasize red in their redesign; that was their most striking color. Red helmets owned, red tops were probably their best jersey

Declan MacManus posted:

dc has better receivers and a better line than chicago, i'd be pushing for there too

What

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003


When your front office says hmmm how can we make our players look like they have tiny shoulders

Nervous
Jan 25, 2005

Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

kiimo posted:

When your front office says hmmm how can we make our players look like they have tiny shoulders

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/07bc6486-0ca4-497e-99ee-841486fefd6e

kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009

oh boy! gather round, everyone! it's an NFL holiday! it's "there's a new uniform or logo to look at so we have to rush in to say how much it sucks" day! how are you gonna celebrate?

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF

kidcoelacanth posted:

oh boy! gather round, everyone! it's an NFL holiday! it's "there's a new uniform or logo to look at so we have to rush in to say how much it sucks" day! how are you gonna celebrate?

I'm celebrating by saying it sucks OP

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?

kidcoelacanth posted:

oh boy! gather round, everyone! it's an NFL holiday! it's "there's a new uniform or logo to look at so we have to rush in to say how much it sucks" day! how are you gonna celebrate?

Stay tuned for the full reveal on April 23rd!

Jets, Broncos, Texans, and Lions are expected to have redesigns this offseason.

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

god qb
me
jay hova
Are you really getting mad at people for saying they think something is ugly

kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009

xbilkis posted:

Are you really getting mad at people for saying they think something is ugly

yes!

kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009

and you'll never stop me!!

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Declan MacManus posted:

dc has better receivers and a better line than chicago, i'd be pushing for there too
Uh, what? Did DC sign a whole new OL in FA that I missed? When it comes to WRs, uh, I'm pretty sure DJ Moore and Keenan Allen are better than Terry McLaurin and *checks notes* 1st round bust Jahan Dotson.

BrownThunder
Oct 26, 2005

EXTEND BEN!
Forever and ever and ever

Sorry for talking about football in the football thread on the football forum

Fifty Three
Oct 29, 2007

Kalli posted:

Short version is incentives aren't guaranteed.

The "guaranteed" number is signing bonus + (usually not more then 2) years of guaranteed base salary + weird contract wording on some roster bonuses.

Teams also used to love "guarantees" for injury, but everyone realized that was complete horseshit years ago and has mostly stopped.

Incentives are on top of that and are either likely expected to be earned (LTBE) in which case they go on that year's cap, or not likely to be earned (NTLBE), in which case they aren't counted against the cap, but are applied to the next year's cap if they are hit. If a LTBE incentive is not hit, you get a cap credit for the money not paid out.

How they qualify has some rules to it, but basically boil down to: did you do it last year? Like $1m for 10+ sacks? if you got 5 the year before: unlikely, 13? likely.

There's also per game bonuses and workout bonuses, neither guaranteed for obvious reasons.
Gotcha, appreciate the explanations from you and wandler. So in my example if my contract's "guaranteed" number was two years of base salary at 5+5, and I happened to make 8m with incentives the first year, I'm still owed the 5m base for next year?

I have no real reason to be this curious about it, so "it depends on the contract" is also sufficient. :shobon:

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a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

kidcoelacanth posted:

oh boy! gather round, everyone! it's an NFL holiday! it's "there's a new uniform or logo to look at so we have to rush in to say how much it sucks" day! how are you gonna celebrate?

Remember when the Chargers dropped their redesign and everyone was in agreement that it was good

Why can't other teams do this

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