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Twin Cinema posted:Yeah, I remember his skating being seen as an issue, but also some people thought he would adapt? Yeah that was definitely one of the years that people started engagement farming by putting the #2 player over the long-term consensus #1, gotta get people to click somehow. maybe they were right Tavares definitely has managed to maintain his productivity, but back then there was a lot less emphasis on skating too. Hal Gill and Mike Komisarek were not only still in the league but signing big contracts, and while speed was obviously on the radar I don’t think anyone could accurately predict just how much more important skating has become every year since then.
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Mar 18, 2024 19:06
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Where the hell else has he been since 2022?
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Mar 18, 2024 19:14
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Wait he wasn’t there already?
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Mar 18, 2024 19:25
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So the “mild” high ankle sprain that Mitch gave himself trying to overcompensate for not shooting into an open net vs. Boston keeps getting less mild every day https://x.com/markhmasters/status/1769778124403695959?s=20
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Mar 18, 2024 19:40
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Koopa Kid posted:Yeah that was definitely one of the years that people started engagement farming by putting the #2 player over the long-term consensus #1, gotta get people to click somehow. maybe they were right IIRC a lot was said about how he worked on his skating early in his career or before his first NHL season. He was pretty passable overall, just not a real burner. He strikes me as a bit of a bargain basement Crosby in that a lot of his prowess came from being smart about how he played and used his talents, not just being the flashiest or most physical freak on the ice.
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Mar 18, 2024 19:41
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Tavares has just not really been a superstar because he doesn't have any one A+ skill. He's pretty good at everything and it adds up to a consistently good 1C. Given the choice between his career or Pavelski's.... well, it would be a close call.
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Mar 18, 2024 19:47
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Koopa Kid posted:Yeah that was definitely one of the years that people started engagement farming by putting the #2 player over the long-term consensus #1, gotta get people to click somehow. maybe they were right
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Mar 18, 2024 19:49
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Tavares improved his skating a fair bit as well. I remember his skating looking pretty raw in his rookie year. It never became good after that but he worked pretty hard on it and it did become at least to the point where it wasn't hurting him any more, even if it wasn't an asset.
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Mar 18, 2024 19:55
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Eric the Mauve posted:Tavares has just not really been a superstar because he doesn't have any one A+ skill. He's pretty good at everything and it adds up to a consistently good 1C. Given the choice between his career or Pavelski's.... well, it would be a close call. Pavelski is still good tho
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Mar 18, 2024 20:11
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Borderline HOFer falling into the disappointing end of expectations says quite a bit about how hyped Tavares was and that people do remember the hype. Like if Slakovsky would up as an 11-1200 point guy with a couple Hart finalist seasons, people would be pretty darn happy with how he turned out.
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Mar 18, 2024 20:18
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Spezza was another player who went from being the next Gretzky/Lemieux to regular top of the draft prospect because of skating concerns. And he would've been an easy Hall of Famer if his back hadn't exploded several times.
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Mar 18, 2024 20:27
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Expectations are always high when your uncle is the Wayne Gretzky of lacrosse.
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Mar 18, 2024 21:00
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I think Tavares definitely had Elite Superstar hype, despite his issues. He joined the OHL a year early, and had 72 goals as a 16-year old. He then followed it up with a slightly disappointing age-17 season (still great, just not capturing the magic he had a year before), and his skating issues were even more glaring. Still a great career. Any time you have the chance to make the HHOF, you’ve done well.
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Mar 18, 2024 21:04
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Unlike the rest of his career, does he get a trophy for that?
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Mar 18, 2024 21:33
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Eric the Mauve posted:Tavares has just not really been a superstar because he doesn't have any one A+ skill. He's pretty good at everything and it adds up to a consistently good 1C. Given the choice between his career or Pavelski's.... well, it would be a close call. deoju fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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Mar 18, 2024 21:47
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Those Sharks teams would have won at least one cup and probably more if not for Todd McLellan
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Tavares had very few 90-point seasons for a potential HOFer. (0)
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deoju posted:As a Wisconsin Badger I'm a massive Pavelski stan. He would have won the Conn Smyth in 2016 if the Pens didn't shut him down in the finals and the Sharks won. Also he very nearly had a breakaway in the 2010 Gold medal game right before Crosby's OT goal. If, and this is a huge loving if, those two things broke the other way I'd take Pavelski. joe pavelski grew up very close to me and used to do banger commercials like this so he's way better than tavares https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adyZsbhehvw
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Mar 18, 2024 22:33
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Tavares is going to have to play Patrick Marleau long with better production to be considered for anything.
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Mar 18, 2024 22:36
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Not getting out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in his ~15 seasons is a black mark on Tavares’ resumé as well. Even if it’s not entirely his fault, the HHOF committee will definitely hold it against him that he only has 55 playoff games in his career
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Mar 18, 2024 22:48
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Tavares hasn't even sniffed a finals? Gee willickers, I guess Jamie Benn is just better. 
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^^^Tavares never won an Art Ross Big Leg posted:joe pavelski grew up very close to me and used to do banger commercials like this so he's way better than tavares Hahah, loving amazing. 🥔 Cocaine Bear fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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Mar 18, 2024 22:52
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https://x.com/colinsnewsday/status/1769833824005812230 News looks better than expected for Lindgren.
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Mar 18, 2024 23:02
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Spezza had some absolutely incredible seasons where he was a legitimate gamebreaker I don't know that Tavares ever quite had those peaks save for maybe 1-2 seasons on the Islanders (and admittedly he had a much lesser supporting cast compared to peak Spezza) but all the same Spezza ain't sniffing the hall anytime soon and Tavares probably never unless he gets his name on a cup
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Mar 18, 2024 23:07
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RC Cola posted:That MacKinnon overtime assist was unreal MacKinnon seems to my eyes to be more clearly and consistently the best player on the ice than McDavid. That's not based on any real analysis or game impact, just "guy who looks obviously better than everybody else when he's out there" to me. I do probably watch more games involving Avs than Oilers though.
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Mar 18, 2024 23:08
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The Dirty Burger posted:Not getting out of the 2nd round of the playoffs in his ~15 seasons is a black mark on Tavares’ resumé as well. Even if it’s not entirely his fault, the HHOF committee will definitely hold it against him that he only has 55 playoff games in his career It's very funny the Isles immediately made two conference finals after Tavares left
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Mar 18, 2024 23:11
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Tavares was a Hart trophy finalist twice. He had the misfortune of peaking during a period when scoring was down. He easily has a better career than Marleau and Spezza. But he’s still only a possible HOF candidate, I think, rather than a slam dunk.
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Mar 18, 2024 23:32
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I mean he almost won some trophies and was pretty good for several seasons and won the World Cup of Hockey one time PLUS he was a first team NHL all-star in 2015.
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Mar 18, 2024 23:35
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Tavares is textbook "Hall of Very Good"
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John Tavares is definitely going to make the HOF imo He's got 1000 points already (and could likely get up to ~1250 if he plays 5 more years), will hit 500 goals, is a 6 time all star, 2 time Hart finalist, made an all-NHL first team, and is a Good Canadian Boy with some iconic WJC moments and victories including 2 golds, plus an Olympic gold and World Cup of Hockey win. I agree that his career is clearly above those of Spezza and Marleau, even though he lacks any big award wins or team success. I think an argument could absolutely be made that that's not good enough and that the bar should be higher, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't get in. Gobias Ind. fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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Mar 18, 2024 23:47
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Spezza has a John B. Sollenberger trophy and a Les Cunningham award
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Twin Cinema posted:Tavares was a Hart trophy finalist twice. He had the misfortune of peaking during a period when scoring was down. He easily has a better career than Marleau and Spezza. I agree with this, Tavares was one of the 5 best players in the league for a short stretch. The only reason he wasn't a Hart finalist 3 years in a row is because of injuries; in 2013-14 he was at a 92-point pace, which would have left everyone else in the dust minus Crosby. Much better career than either of those two.
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https://sanjosehockeynow.com/san-jose-sharks-igor-eronko-mike-grier-russian-scout-2024-draft/Mike Grier posted:Igor didn’t meet the standard. For whatever reason, he wasn’t seeing games and wasn’t doing what we were asking of them. So we felt it was best to part ways with him.” Need to know how hard this guy was mailing it in because holy hell did he get sewered publicly. Guy is 41 and may never get a job in the league again
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Twin Cinema posted:Tavares was a Hart trophy finalist twice. He had the misfortune of peaking during a period when scoring was down. He easily has a better career than Marleau and Spezza.
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Tavares was never a top 5 player in the league, Hart nominations be damned. He was top 10 in probably only two or three seasons.
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deoju posted:As a Wisconsin Badger I'm a massive Pavelski stan. He would have won the Conn Smyth in 2016 if the Pens didn't shut him down in the finals and the Sharks won. Also he very nearly had a breakaway in the 2010 Gold medal game right before Crosby's OT goal. If, and this is a huge loving if, those two things broke the other way I'd take Pavelski. Wow, I haven't heard about him at all lately and he's old as hell but still scoring just fine.
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Pavelski may be the slowest forward in the NHL at this point but the man is a loving precog. It's disconcerting how often he's suddenly in exactly the right spot to make a play despite skating like he's underwater to get there.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Tavares was never a top 5 player in the league, Hart nominations be damned. He was top 10 in probably only two or three seasons. I guess Alfredsson got in with a pretty similarly empty trophy case but even so, he's gonna be sitting a bit. He's basically had the same career as Anze Kopitar but Kopitar has 2 cups and some selkes so he's a surefire thing I'd put him Giroux/Backstrom-tier which is probably still good enough but they're gonna be waiting too
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John Tavares is a dollar store Dave Andreychuk.
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