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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/303418/20240319150454815_23-939%20-%20Brief%20for%20Petitioner.pdf It's not insane PROVIDED you grant the supposition that these acts in the various indictments were "official acts". (I don't agree with their position, but it's at least arguable.) Alito and Thomas. Nobody else, IMO.
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mdemone posted:It's not insane PROVIDED you grant the supposition that these acts in the various indictments were "official acts". (I don't agree with their position, but it's at least arguable.) It's insane even then. Otherwise Biden could declare Trump a security threat and have seal team 6 take him out
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Mar 19, 2024 21:31
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Fart Amplifier posted:It's insane even then. Otherwise Biden could declare Trump a security threat and have seal team 6 take him out Agreed but then SCOTUS would be against that. You see how this works?
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Mar 19, 2024 21:33
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Fart Amplifier posted:It's insane even then. Otherwise Biden could declare Trump a security threat and have seal team 6 take him out Yeah, now is the time for Biden to announce that he is eagerly awaiting the ruling that nothing presidents do counts as crime and that strike teams are standing by
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Fart Amplifier posted:It's insane even then. Otherwise Biden could declare Trump a security threat and have seal team 6 take him out Biden refuses to up the number of Supreme Court justices but has other Supreme court approved methods of getting his own judges on the bench.
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Mar 19, 2024 21:36
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mdemone posted:Agreed but then SCOTUS would be against that. You see how this works? Biden just needs Seal Team Six to take out the conservatives justices first, I don't see the problem e: dammit beaten with more tact
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Mar 19, 2024 21:45
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Madkal posted:Biden refuses to up the number of Supreme Court justices...
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Fart Amplifier posted:It's insane even then. Otherwise Biden could declare Trump a security threat and have seal team 6 take him out Presumably Congress would impeach him for that, in which case (according to Trump's lawyers' argument) the presidential immunity would be removed.
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Mar 19, 2024 21:47
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Main Paineframe posted:Presumably Congress would impeach him for that, in which case (according to Trump's lawyers' argument) the presidential immunity would be removed. Just resign immediately. Never go to trial.
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Mar 19, 2024 21:53
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Main Paineframe posted:Presumably Congress would impeach him for that, in which case (according to Trump's lawyers' argument) the presidential immunity would be removed. And he could have them assassinate anyone who votes for impeachment.
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Mar 19, 2024 21:53
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supreme court says presidents have absolute immunity, biden starts a youtube channel where he streams professional sports games 24/7
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Mar 19, 2024 22:05
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supreme court says presidents have absolute immunity. *cut to biden tearing mattress tags off with his teeth*
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Mar 19, 2024 22:06
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Would be hilarious if a lawyer actually mentions presidents killing SC judges in their argument. I would love to see the court address that issue.
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Mar 19, 2024 22:09
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gregday posted:And he could have them assassinate anyone who votes for impeachment. If the president is assassinating members of Congress, then I at that point "does the law give presidents immunity from prosecution?" is kind of a pointless question. Murderous dictators who rule with an iron fist and the absolute loyalty of the military tend not to care very much what the letter of the law says. Of course, back in the real world, if President Biden orders SEAL Team 6 to murder their way through his political opponents, they're going to refuse to do it.
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Mar 19, 2024 22:11
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Main Paineframe posted:If the president is assassinating members of Congress, then I at that point "does the law give presidents immunity from prosecution?" is kind of a pointless question. Murderous dictators who rule with an iron fist and the absolute loyalty of the military tend not to care very much what the letter of the law says. They probably would, but an identical order coming from Trump to murder Biden would have more sway with members of the US military.
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Mar 19, 2024 22:15
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gregday posted:They probably would, but an identical order coming from Trump to murder Biden would have more sway with members of the US military. Maybe among air force officers, but you do realize that the majority of enlisted are young and minority? (It’s close, but the enlisted corps is majority minority based on a quick google). Two demographics that definitely skew blind obedience to Trump.
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Mar 19, 2024 22:20
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Even if the President has immunity to whack rivals, does the same immunity apply to the individual doing the whacking?
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Even if the President has immunity to whack rivals, does the same immunity apply to the individual doing the whacking? Presidential pardons baybee Just gotta make sure they aren't state charges. Though I guess then you could assassinate whoever is involved with those. Supremacy Clause this!
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Even if the President has immunity to whack rivals, does the same immunity apply to the individual doing the whacking? judging from Trump's underlings and their arguments, yes they also get executive immunity!
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Mar 19, 2024 22:47
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Legal Eagle (or adjacent) on the Willis/Wade case https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvOt6R1bXcg I'm at the point where I've lost any faith that Georgia will result in anything. Willis has shown to have poor judgement at best and at worst she might be in over her head. Willis still might be DQ'd on appeal and even if the case did proceed and Trump was convinced there's an easy avenue for appeal there. What was kinda buried was that Willis is also up for reelection this fall, so even if Trump isn't reelected and therefore immune from prosecution, Willis herself might lose and if she does the case is sunk.
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Mar 19, 2024 22:52
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gregday posted:They probably would, but an identical order coming from Trump to murder Biden would have more sway with members of the US military. Tell me you know little of American military culture without telling me you know little of American military culture.
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It doesn't have to be SEALs though, right? That was just an example they used. Biden could just hire
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But what if Biden pulls a "reverse Julius Caesar" and kills the entire Senate so no one can vote for impeachment?
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C. Everett Koop posted:Legal Eagle (or adjacent) on the Willis/Wade case https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvOt6R1bXcg This isn’t the kind of ruling that allows immediate appeal. The judge has to authorize it and McAfee typically says in his orders when he would be willing to grant an appeal and he explicitly did not on this one. 90% he denies the appeal and the case moves on.
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Biden doesn't need to order the military to do anything he can do with his own two hands.
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Not convinced that disqualifying Willis would do anything much other than maybe screw around with the timeline tbh. Now, that's plenty to make Trump happy because he thinks his escape route is "get elected, become dictator," but I'm not greatly doomy about this case.
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Goatse James Bond posted:Not convinced that disqualifying Willis would do anything much other than maybe screw around with the timeline tbh. Now, that's plenty to make Trump happy because he thinks his escape route is "get elected, become dictator," but I'm not greatly doomy about this case. And he’s right.
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C. Everett Koop posted:I'm at the point where I've lost any faith that Georgia will result in anything.
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Here's hoping Trump is telling his fellow inmates there's never been anyone who's looked as good in orange a year from now.
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Main Paineframe posted:If the president is assassinating members of Congress, then I at that point "does the law give presidents immunity from prosecution?" is kind of a pointless question. Murderous dictators who rule with an iron fist and the absolute loyalty of the military tend not to care very much what the letter of the law says. Yes, now you understand why absolute immunity isn't a reasonable thing to even consider.
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Liquid Communism posted:Yes, now you understand why absolute immunity isn't a reasonable thing to even consider. Well apparently it's "reasonable" enough that some Justices signed on to it instead of just "lol no, the gently caress out of here with that poo poo" like a reasonable judicial system that isn't stacked with partisan hacks would do.
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bird food bathtub posted:Well apparently it's "reasonable" enough that some Justices signed on to it instead of just "lol no, the gently caress out of here with that poo poo" like a reasonable judicial system that isn't stacked with partisan hacks would do. Maybe they just thought of really good analogies to use in ruling against presidential immunity, and didn’t want them to go to waste.
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bird food bathtub posted:Well apparently it's "reasonable" enough that some Justices signed on to it instead of just "lol no, the gently caress out of here with that poo poo" like a reasonable judicial system that isn't stacked with partisan hacks would do. They signed onto it because it's completely unexplored jurisprudence where current SC members can put a permanent stamp into the history books. It's catnip. Their intent is to draw clear lines on how far presidential immunity extends. I don't believe for a second that any of them buy Trump's absolute immunity nonsense.
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Liquid Communism posted:Yes, now you understand why absolute immunity isn't a reasonable thing to even consider. Huh? That's exactly the opposite of what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that these hypotheticals about presidents abusing immunity for the sake of all these absurd power-grab scenarios don't make any sense at all. This hypothetical president who's both willing and able to massacre his way through half of Congress isn't going to be scared of a prosecutor. I can absolutely assure you that the fear of criminal consequences is not a significant factor in why presidents generally refrain from engaging in bloody military purges of the government.
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Deteriorata posted:They signed onto it because it's completely unexplored jurisprudence where current SC members can put a permanent stamp into the history books. It's catnip. Alito and Thomas will absolutely find that these were official acts and therefore immune. It will be 7-2 against.
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Deteriorata posted:They signed onto it because it's completely unexplored jurisprudence where current SC members can put a permanent stamp into the history books. It's catnip. It's this. This is what all judges on the Federal circuits on up dream about : getting a case that sets national precedent & their name in the history books.
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PainterofCrap posted:It's this. The real question is how long they take to make the decision. If they cared at all about the country they'd gets decision out ASAP, potentially allowing for at least some of the trials to advance before the election, but they do not appear to be in any hurry.
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InsertPotPun posted:supreme court says presidents have absolute immunity. Hey whoa now. I mean we are coming up with insane scenarios but let’s not go overboard here.
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DarkHorse posted:The real question is how long they take to make the decision. Oh, I'm expecting it to come at the end of June on the last day of this court. Because gently caress us, that's why.
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