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Captain Theron posted:There's a group of them in Canberra that camp out in the centre of town every Friday and play a really lovely cover of staying alive by the beegees on repeat for hours. I used to work right next to where they set up and it was literal torture. I don't know what they thought they were accomplishing there, their audience were basically all lefty public servants who were already on board. A protest that doesn't inconvenience those in power is handily ignored. Peaceful protest furthers no causes.
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Laserface posted:they are funded and headed by a bunch of rich assholes that invest in airlines and other fossil fuel adjacent poo poo [...] it is designed from top to bottom to be ineffective. Hmmmmmm
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Megabound posted:A protest that doesn't inconvenience those in power is handily ignored. Peaceful protest furthers no causes. But that's my point, they're inconveniencing people with no power and who are often already supporting them, at least in principle. ER doesn't cause any issues for politicians and fossil fuel execs when they block commuters. I'd have much more respect for them if they were regularly blockading parliaments or mining company offices.
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if you're pissed off and inconvenienced by a couple hours of traffic, imagine how annoying and inconvenient the collapse of civilisation will be i think that's the idea, anyway. in practice, 99.999% of people are only ever going to actionably care about what's right in front of their face at any given time; climate stuff is still too much of an abstract problem for australians
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Mar 20, 2024 02:34
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Precisely. They aren't wrong, but their tactics are self defeating. Protest at the people with actual decision making power, and build support among the community. We didn't win gay marriage by harassing the public and stopping them getting to work, we built support and pressured the government.
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Mar 20, 2024 02:39
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Inconveniencing the public inconveniences the state. It's a large jump from protesting to blowing up a pipeline (which I would like to see more of) but by making people late to work or whatever you're stopping a city from functioning at capacity. The issue with doing the planned protests in my eyes is that if you're asking the states permission to protest then you're just a line in balance book, that's just the cost of running a city.
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Mar 20, 2024 02:40
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Is it though? I don't think the state really cares about their perfomative protests. I want to be really clear, I agree with their goals, I just think their tactics are poo poo. Other climate protest groups seem much more effective. That kid who sued the government and won over their duty of care for example, or Greta Thunberg and her movement. Extinction Rebellion seems much more concerned with making themselves feel good than actually effecting change.
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Mar 20, 2024 02:55
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Megabound posted:A protest that doesn't inconvenience those in power is handily ignored. Peaceful protest furthers no causes. *Inserts noise cancelling earbuds. Rests in power.* Megabound posted:Inconveniencing the public inconveniences the state. It's a large jump from protesting to blowing up a pipeline (which I would like to see more of) but by making people late to work or whatever you're stopping a city from functioning at capacity. The issue with doing the planned protests in my eyes is that if you're asking the states permission to protest then you're just a line in balance book, that's just the cost of running a city. This is weak. The government doesn't suffer anything losing the productivity, they suffer from shitloads of furious electors.
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Mar 20, 2024 03:04
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Climate change is about to kill everyone but Albo has his airpods in and is about to cross a busy road and the CEO of an oil company is speeding down that road using Tesla's self drive features. How do you stop climate change????
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Mar 20, 2024 03:08
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JBP posted:This is weak. The government doesn't suffer anything losing the productivity, they suffer from shitloads of furious electors. Good, how do you solve that problem? You either ban protesting or make changes so that the protestors don't want to protest any more.
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Mar 20, 2024 03:13
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Megabound posted:Good, how do you solve that problem? You either ban protesting or make changes so that the protestors don't want to protest any more. The people are mad at the protesters, not the issue. You just ban those protesters.
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Mar 20, 2024 03:15
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Tbh those union protests are big inconvenience, we should really clamp down on that poo poo. I was late to a meeting once due to union protests in Brisbane, wish they’d think about the people needing to get around rather than protesting about whatever it was (unsafe worksites)
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Mar 20, 2024 03:22
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The problem is that XR explicitly chooses a nonpartisan approach in the messaging, one of their 3 goals is "citizen assemblies" as a policy mechanism, there's absolutely no class solidarity in their approach and is the polar opposite of the union movement
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Recoome posted:Tbh those union protests are big inconvenience, we should really clamp down on that poo poo. It's scale. XR generally seems like three people. Union protests are inconvenient, but the real ones usually target industry and marches are huge. If XR went to terminal ports and hosed them up I think people would be less mad since corporations aren't popular. There are also huge climate marches and action. XR just strikes me as clubhouse spartacists. As I said I admire the moxy. E: terminal ports also fucks with the workers there but they can just sit around and wait I guess. Unless they're casuals then they don't get paid.
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Mar 20, 2024 03:27
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Honestly just say that you support using the law to crack down on protests/protesters you don’t like. Hope it doesn’t get used on the ones you do!!
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Mar 20, 2024 03:33
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Recoome posted:Honestly just say that you support using the law to crack down on protests/protesters you don’t like. Hope it doesn’t get used on the ones you do!! ?? No one has said anything like this though?
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Recoome posted:Honestly just say that you support using the law to crack down on protests/protesters you don’t like. Hope it doesn’t get used on the ones you do!! I didn't say anything like that. I said the government will do that. I don't have a strong opinion on XR. I ride my bike to work and if the weather is bad I work from home 
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Paracausal posted:The problem is that XR explicitly chooses a nonpartisan approach in the messaging, one of their 3 goals is "citizen assemblies" as a policy mechanism, there's absolutely no class solidarity in their approach and is the polar opposite of the union movement XR: beyond politics also XR: citizens assembly please
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There are a lot of pissed off people rn due to cost of living being hosed and they're at max with what they can tolerate. If you give them the options of doing something the easy, fast way (remove impediment to car), or the difficult, slow way (redesign and reimagine transport and energy) it's not tough to guess where the vast majority are going to land. I was looking at some polling this morning and climate v cost of living as a top five concern are on inverse trajectories. E: quote me on this in a year, but I also don't think climate is going to factor into election campaigns much at all beside platitudes
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Like union protests are a good example of what XR should be. They have an impact on the public, sure, but they're much more targeted at decision makers and disabling sectors of the economy. And at least to my perception, people seem far more accepting of that, and subsequently supportive. XR seems so much more focused on stunts and performance art. Can you imagine a bunch of unionists dressing up in disco outfits and dancing to one song on repeat for hours on end to protest low pay or safety conditions? No one would take anything they say seriously.
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What's the deal with the soup cans thing? It's too clever for me probably.
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JBP posted:What's the deal with the soup cans thing? It's too clever for me probably. I think it's just a convenient way to carry the soup around
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JBP posted:What's the deal with the soup cans thing? It's too clever for me probably. that group 'Stop Oil' or whatever threw cans of soup onto some paintings?
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GoldStandardConure posted:that group 'Stop Oil' or whatever threw cans of soup onto some paintings? Yeah just stop oil. I thought that was also XR?
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I mean Dada was started as an artistic movement opposed to the war, the reasoning behind it was "well, if we don't get peace you don't get beauty" but I doubt XR put that much thought behind it. It got headlines tho, which would be their primary goal.
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JBP posted:Yeah just stop oil. I thought that was also XR? nah, separate groups (as far as i know) there is no central head body for XR, each group is its own little unit and there is no central controlling body from what i know. i had one friend who was involved in XR but left because a bunch of loving idiots joined, which basically drove out any of the actual talent and folks with a proper vision, leaving nothing but the "if we play drums we can finally stop woodside" people
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Megabound posted:I mean Dada was started as an artistic movement opposed to the war, the reasoning behind it was "well, if we don't get peace you don't get beauty" but I doubt XR put that much thought behind it. It got headlines tho, which would be their primary goal. I always viewed Dada as "silliness and pointlessness for silliness and pointlessness sake" as an art movement. But it's cool that it was an anti-war thing.
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Guardian AU posted:Hot cross buns, chips and breakfast cereals are being downsized even as supermarkets retain or lift prices for the shrunken products, new research shows. Paying 19 year olds 20% less, so you can pay 20% more! gently caress you, that's why!
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BrigadierSensible posted:I always viewed Dada as "silliness and pointlessness for silliness and pointlessness sake" as an art movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism There is an unfortunate fascist connection to Futurism but early 20th centry every art movement had a manifesto. Some more broad ranging than others.
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Guardian AU posted:Legal proceedings to determine compensation for almost 1,700 workers illegally sacked by Qantas have heard the airline would have still outsourced the jobs the following year due to financial targets and Australia’s tight Covid restrictions. Your honor, 'twas the business targets that made us break the law, you can hardly hold us responsible for those!
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they always say supplier costs make the prices rise but then the suppliers say they are getting stiffed by the supermarkets
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I had this book idea where climate protestors had set up an unknown number of bombs on random peoples cars, and start the day by exploding a bunch of them during peak hour. It's like Extinction Rebellion on steroids, but they're so angry they're indiscriminately telling the populace to go gently caress themselves. And if their demands aren't met, more poo poo explodes. The city grinds to a standstill as everyone is too terrified to drive to work. It was going to be a thriller/mystery kind of thing with a climate bent on it. I think I'll change the book so the villain is a fat guy going 'Why are they blowing up the workers cars, we're not the problem here! This is just red flag operation to get public support onside for more oil!" But the true villain is that it actually was Gina Rinehart and her mining cronies all along.
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Cartoon posted:Try theses guys: you're going to summon count chocula if you keep talking about the futurist manifesto
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Konomex posted:I had this book idea where climate protestors had set up an unknown number of bombs on random peoples cars, and start the day by exploding a bunch of them during peak hour. It's like Extinction Rebellion on steroids, but they're so angry they're indiscriminately telling the populace to go gently caress themselves. And if their demands aren't met, more poo poo explodes. The city grinds to a standstill as everyone is too terrified to drive to work. It was going to be a thriller/mystery kind of thing with a climate bent on it. I think I'll change the book so the villain is a fat guy going 'Why are they blowing up the workers cars, we're not the problem here! This is just red flag operation to get public support onside for more oil!" The Dollop just did a 2 parter on the Pinkertons, that’ll give you some great ideas.
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i've noticed a bunch of stuff at coles that had crept up a dollar or two has now gone back to pre-covid prices so i think they may be making GBS threads themselves a little bit
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Spookydonut posted:i've noticed a bunch of stuff at coles that had crept up a dollar or two has now gone back to pre-covid prices so i think they may be making GBS threads themselves a little bit Check the size/weight of the packages. Almost certainly shrinkflation
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Check the size/weight of the packages. Almost certainly shrinkflation streets cyclones, 8 pack, same size, they were $8 pre covid then crept up to $9 now are ~mysteriously~ back to $8
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Mar 20, 2024 10:37
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kettle chips are loving $6.50 for the 165g packet
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Non Compos Mentis posted:kettle chips are loving $6.50 for the 165g packet If you can, go to Aldi instead. Their Blackstone brand of not-Kettle-and-definitely-not-Red-Rock-Deli-either of flavoured chips tastes basically the same (and I'm pretty sure is made in the same factory), and they're usually $3.50 for a 200g packet.
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