|
Since the 1970's the oceans have absorbed 14,000,000,000 Hiroshima sized bombs worth of energy. 500,000,000 of those bombs were absorbed in 2023 alone. Another 500,000,000 bombs worth of energy will be pumped into the oceans this year. Not war related, just thought it was a cool fact.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 13:06 |
|
|
# ? May 25, 2024 07:03 |
|
lol this sucks rear end FACT SHEET: Delivering on the Biden-Harris Administration’s Commitment to Democratic Renewal at the Third Summit for Democracy | The White House www.whitehouse.gov - Wed, 20 Mar 2024 posted:President Biden launched the historic Summit for Democracy in 2021 to strengthen democratic institutions, protect human rights, and accelerate the fight against corruption, both at home and abroad. mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 13:24 on Mar 20, 2024 |
# ? Mar 20, 2024 13:22 |
|
I wonder what China would do if the US goes mad dog and nukes Russia for whatever crazy reason. The US can’t hold back many nukes especially with how many are likely to be ineffective. So if you’re China do you just let the Russian counter attack do its thing or also get in your punches to make sure the US can’t decide you’re next at some later time. definitely some US subs will stay cold for counter attacks but it wouldn’t surprise me if China tracks them all so they might be able to reasonably expect to prevent any counterattacks. The environmental situation would already be proper hosed so why not a couple more megatons for the road. also maybe dprk settles some old scores by lobbing a nuke at Japan in the confusion.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 13:25 |
|
UNSC members nuking each other would be the end of the UN at least
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 13:27 |
NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Since the 1970's the oceans have absorbed 14,000,000,000 Hiroshima sized bombs worth of energy. 500,000,000 of those bombs were absorbed in 2023 alone. Another 500,000,000 bombs worth of energy will be pumped into the oceans this year. Not war related, just thought it was a cool fact. we're wasting all our energy on those freeloading oceans!
|
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 13:43 |
|
FuzzySlippers posted:I wonder what China would do if the US goes mad dog and nukes Russia for whatever crazy reason. The US can’t hold back many nukes especially with how many are likely to be ineffective. So if you’re China do you just let the Russian counter attack do its thing or also get in your punches to make sure the US can’t decide you’re next at some later time. do you enjoy pointless mental exercises
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 13:46 |
|
TheBuilder posted:do you enjoy pointless mental exercises don't you?
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 13:47 |
|
The US plan is to win with the first strike so
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 13:47 |
|
I think we should stop.bombing the ocean or whatever. Sunfish often lay at the surface to warm up after a deep dive
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 13:54 |
|
Honky Mao posted:The US plan is to win with the first strike so Yeah, how do you win a first strike against China/NK/Russia especially if China and Russia have a bunch of SLBM missiles (the Russians as many as the Americans), a bunch of mobile ground launchers (in all 3 cases), and Moscow has got its own ABM shield? Not to mention getting into fancier tech?
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 13:59 |
Ardennes posted:Yeah, how do you win a first strike against China/NK/Russia especially if China and Russia have a bunch of SLBM missiles (the Russians as many as the Americans), a bunch of mobile ground launchers (in all 3 cases), and Moscow has got its own ABM shield? Not to mention getting into fancier tech? yeah presumably russia/china have nukes on their hypersonic* missiles as well * - latest fad
|
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 14:00 |
|
Hatebag posted:yeah presumably russia/china have nukes on their hypersonic* missiles as well They would be probably be more for tactical nuclear use but yeah they are there too. The fact that the US asked both Russia and China for arms control talks "without preconditions" says a lot and the fact the Russians rejected them says plenty as well. The US knows it can't win with a first strike, and would be plowed with a counter strike. Nuclear war is innately no win, but the odds are only getting worse. The French sending in forces probably is just a last ditch to energize the European public for more Russian blood and to try to keep Ukraine going for a few more months. NATO just doesn't have the troops for that much more. It does seem stupid that now the Poles are backing up the Germans and admitting NATO as always been there. The Russians talking about smashing tons of Polish "mercenaries" now doesn't sound far-fetched, and neither does those guys coming back and saying how hosed the situation actually makes a lot of sense even though it has been hushed up. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 14:09 on Mar 20, 2024 |
# ? Mar 20, 2024 14:07 |
|
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 14:19 |
Ardennes posted:They would be probably be more for tactical nuclear use but yeah they are there too. The fact that the US asked both Russia and China for arms control talks "without preconditions" says a lot and the fact the Russians rejected them says plenty as well. yeah, the published range on russian hypersonics is 1000 km. probably the only use for such a short range missile would be from a cruise missile bomber taking out radar stations in the arctic unless someone makes hypersonic slbms, then we're in real trouble
|
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 14:23 |
|
Hatebag posted:
Hyper HISTRIONIC
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 14:30 |
|
JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:why would China bother with nukes I am of the opinion that China shouldn't even do that, taking offense (including cyber attacks) to the US home land. Once the US has started the war first, yes you should do whatever you can with whatever non-nuke weapons and resources you have. America as a culture, heavily rely on a "Pearl Harbor", or "911" moments to mobilize the country. Without a "shocking attack" moment, the US political landscape is a very polarized and chaotic mess, they really need a dramatic "red wedding" to rally the civilians, which other countries like China and Russia don't need. Now can CIA create a false flag operation to rally the troops? Yes they can, but it's still not the same thing. And eventually it will leak out, cause the US elites can't hold a secret either.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 14:45 |
|
NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Since the 1970's the oceans have absorbed 14,000,000,000 Hiroshima sized bombs worth of energy. 500,000,000 of those bombs were absorbed in 2023 alone. Another 500,000,000 bombs worth of energy will be pumped into the oceans this year. Not war related, just thought it was a cool fact. gotta nuke something
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 15:41 |
|
JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:why would China bother with nukes Yeah yeah we all saw the Obama movie
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 15:50 |
|
https://twitter.com/ConflictTR/status/1769978083879068113?t=WmKcnCSvsC6T0R5wPWrlAw&s=19Google Translate posted:Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan: "If we do not hand over the 4 villages that Azerbaijan wants in the Tavush region, Turkey will attack from Armavir and Azerbaijan will attack from Eskipara. We have no other choice."
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 16:36 |
|
the board was stacked hard against them from the start but their recent diplomatic moves have not made thing easier for armenia just a kinda sad situation
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 16:39 |
|
Sancho Banana posted:https://twitter.com/ConflictTR/status/1769978083879068113?t=WmKcnCSvsC6T0R5wPWrlAw&s=19 Shouldn’t have turned your back on Russia, bitch
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 16:40 |
|
Is a turkish invasion a serious contingency? I think he knows Armenia would be totally outmatched against the Azeris, but doesn't want to look like a coward for handing over territory so easily, so he's pretending like Turkey would get in on a war to play up the threat even further. Everything sucks.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 16:44 |
|
cool international rules-based order there
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 16:46 |
|
Sancho Banana posted:Is a turkish invasion a serious contingency? I think he knows Armenia would be totally outmatched against the Azeris, but doesn't want to look like a coward for handing over territory so easily, so he's pretending like Turkey would get in on a war to play up the threat even further. It isn't really since Russia and Iran would get involved, this is really about Pashinyan putting his country in a worse and worse position so he can blame the Russians and try to get out of the CSTO and the Eurasian Union then have whatever is left of Armenia join NATO. The Iranians have clearly stated they are not going to allow the Azerbaijanis to touch any north-south highways to the Georgian border because it is a vital link for them. Azerbaijan would lose to the Iranians, and Turkey wouldn't be in a great position to help. It is just sort of amazing, though that the Armenian population hasn't fed up with it and there hasn't been an uprising or coup by this point but it really seems otherwise down to regional power dynamics. Pashinyan doesn't want to wait too long either since eventually the Ukrainian War is going to end which is going to complicate things.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 16:49 |
|
Sancho Banana posted:Is a turkish invasion a serious contingency? I think he knows Armenia would be totally outmatched against the Azeris, but doesn't want to look like a coward for handing over territory so easily, so he's pretending like Turkey would get in on a war to play up the threat even further. they would get in on it even if they dont open a second front, they did the last time
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 16:50 |
|
Megamissen posted:the board was stacked hard against them from the start but their recent diplomatic moves have not made thing easier for armenia So what was the plan there? Neoliberal super gambit?
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 17:03 |
|
dead gay comedy forums posted:So what was the plan there? Neoliberal super gambit? delusions that the west would save them
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 17:04 |
|
dead gay comedy forums posted:So what was the plan there? Neoliberal super gambit? not online enough, thinks most people still have humanity, takes people at their word Even Putin didn't seem aware of just how alien the west's elite have become Like imagine talking face to face with someone like Ursula von der Leyen and not recognizing you were in the presence of a demon
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 17:06 |
|
Regarde Aduck posted:not online enough, thinks most people still have humanity, takes people at their word You got to check the shadow, that's the best tell.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 17:15 |
|
well I suppose that a neoliberal type that gets to leadership has never hit the "CONTEMPORARY HISTORY: 1900-1991" book section
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 17:18 |
|
France specifically was implying, but never stating, they would be Armenia’s protector if they defected to the west and kicked out the Russian peacekeepers
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 17:57 |
|
Sancho Banana posted:Is a turkish invasion a serious contingency? I think he knows Armenia would be totally outmatched against the Azeris, but doesn't want to look like a coward for handing over territory so easily, so he's pretending like Turkey would get in on a war to play up the threat even further. Turkey was pretty involved in the last war.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 18:02 |
|
Turkey provided a lot of aid to Azerbaijan, but they didn't launch an invasion like Pashinyan was suggesting. Nevermind the fact that taking a couple of border villages is a far lighter task than what breaching Karabakh's defenses was thought to be prior to 2020.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 18:14 |
|
dead gay comedy forums posted:So what was the plan there? Neoliberal super gambit? Pashinyan gets a big house and permanent employment in the United States where he can make speeches about the evil rashists on the corpses of his supposed countrymen.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 18:19 |
|
Danann posted:Pashinyan gets a big house and permanent employment in the United States where he can make speeches about the evil rashists on the corpses of his supposed countrymen.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 18:19 |
|
Danann posted:Pashinyan gets a big house and permanent employment in the United States where he can make speeches about the evil rashists on the corpses of his supposed countrymen. I mean besides that Like, going from some of these types around here, the biggest loving problem is that they aren’t actually mercenary (in many ways that could be considered an improvement depending where and when) but are eager “ideological buyers” of a mercenary ideology. Taking a job from the people who conned you doesn’t register at all, apparently
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 18:38 |
|
Armenia and Georgia could be bought more cheaply and so didn't need the ideological propping up of Nazis. For Armenia, the reason should be obvious, because a revanchist, irredentist movement would be pointed towards Turkey and Azerbaijan rather than Russia.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 18:49 |
Livo posted:Putting on my "crackpot tin foil & utterly insane techno thriller hat" for a moment about the discussion about nuclear war... High altitude detonation like this will create EMP and fry electronics and power systems on the ground, even if the nuke itself does no damage to anyone beyond that it's still an attack. I suppose they could do an atmospheric test if they really wanted to go up a rung on Kahn's ladder without it being an attack per se, I don't know if they've signed that treaty off the top of my head, but that is technically an option. Though like gradenko said anybody firing a nuke for any reason in any context these days and it's loving on. Tensions will rise massively even if nuclear war doesn't start right then and everybody is going to be ready to fire.
|
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 18:59 |
|
This thread reminded me that I need to buy some potassium iodine tablets.
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 19:20 |
|
|
# ? May 25, 2024 07:03 |
I don't even worry about nuclear war. It's like worrying about an earthquake. I don't get a say in when or where they get used, and the people that do have nice bunkers for themselves to avoid the consequences of their belligerence and recklessness, only to emerge and continue ruling us as their birthright.
|
|
# ? Mar 20, 2024 19:27 |