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Doctor Malaver posted:That's interesting. I still don't get the Fremen motivation to go anywhere beyond their planet. They want to rule the planet on their own, not have foreigners come and steal the spice, and create an abundance of water. Getting into spaceships (which they don't know how to operate) to fight people on other planets doesn't fit this narrative. If that's even what's happening at the end of the movie -- it looked to me like that's what they were doing. If we want to apply book logic the Fremen have been oppressed by the Imperium, not just by the Harkonnens, for literally thousands of years. Here comes a Messiah figure to set them free - they will seek their retribution with holy certainty that god is on their side whether or not Muad'dib lives to be coronated. As far as "they don't know how to operate the ships," well, there's another reason the movie should have kept the Guild in the storyline, because "either you let me and my fellow jihadists onto the Heighliner or no more spice."
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Doctor Malaver posted:I'm actually glad our theater had normal sound. In the past 5 years or so it happened a couple of times to me and friends my age (in their 40's) that the movie is so loud we tried to make earplugs with pieces of paper tissues. IMAX or Dolby is really worth it.
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AnEdgelord posted:Yeah the absence of the Guild is the only genuine mistake of the adaptation imo. With how abruptly it ends with the holy war starting, I have a feeling Villeneuve's intent is to have Dune Messiah pick up immediately where this ended like how this movie did with part 1. And with the Fremen going off into space the guild will become a mich bigger part of the movie's story Dune Messiah is so short, I do wonder if they would attempt to do Messiah and Children as one movie like the sci-fi mini series
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Something I'm finding real interesting on reflection is how the final confrontation between Paul and the Emperor and Feyd contrast in setting in the movie and the book. Like in the book (and other adaptations) it's pretty much all there in the Emperor's portable throne room, while in DUNC 2 they have some of it there and then move to smaller quarters where everyone's packed in pretty tight. But despite being in this grander place in other versions, made for pronouncements and major doings, you'd still get some more private moments as people drew aside to talk. Like Paul and Jessica reassuring Chani. In DUNC putting everything of that confrontation in a smaller space makes it... not intimate, but instead claustrophobic. You can't have those more private moments, everyone's packed in too close in what is ostensibly a more private place for quieter events. Too many ears to listen, right up against you.
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AnEdgelord posted:Yeah the absence of the Guild is the only genuine mistake of the adaptation imo. Yeah it feels like DV is designing each part to be a greater revalation of antagonist , i.e. Harkonnen>Emperor>Guild , which ties nicely into Messiah. From internecine rivalry to the Empire to the systems undergirding the mechanism of imperialism itself. But I fully agree there should have been some more sprinkling of the Guild into part 2. Maybe in the Directors Cut that DV swears he will not do but maybe someday when the full trilogy is on BluRay... Allow me my dreams.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Yeah it feels like DV is designing each part to be a greater revalation of antagonist , i.e. Harkonnen>Emperor>Guild , which ties nicely into Messiah. From internecine rivalry to the Empire to the systems undergirding the mechanism of imperialism itself. Dune '84 actually does this pretty well with basically two short scenes - one with the navigator popping in to tell the Emperor what's going on / that spice production is potentially threatened, and a second where the guild representatives show up and say "sort this out now or we're throwing your rear end in the torment nexus."
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I don’t think it’s impossible for DV to make this work in part 3. The guild stuff is neat but i trust DV with what he’s adapted.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Dune '84 actually does this pretty well with basically two short scenes - one with the navigator popping in to tell the Emperor what's going on / that spice production is potentially threatened, and a second where the guild representatives show up and say "sort this out now or we're throwing your rear end in the torment nexus." That entire opening scene is insanely loving good, regardless of what people think of the rest of the movie.
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They pulled it off the Criterion Channel just to spite me.
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Gaius Marius posted:They pulled it off the Criterion Channel just to spite me. This fan edit of Lynch Dune is the definitive version of the movie imo, if you look online you can download it in higher quality than YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faHQA_0d9Mo
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Neo Rasa posted:This fan edit of Lynch Dune is the definitive version of the movie imo, if you look online you can download it in higher quality than YouTube: Hmmm, I might give that a watch, but I've never seen Lynch Dune, or any Lynch for that matter and kind of wanted to see the theatrical release first so I'm not biased against what I can only assume is some monumental studio meddling.
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I dunno, the 84 version opening seemed a little heavy handed with exposition
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Neo Rasa posted:This fan edit of Lynch Dune is the definitive version of the movie imo, if you look online you can download it in higher quality than YouTube: What changes/edits does it make? I kinda think the emperor in 84 comes off as a bit of a doofus tbh.
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banned from Starbucks posted:I kinda think the emperor in 84 comes off as a bit of a doofus tbh. same but he is a bit of a doofus in the book too
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kalel posted:same but he is a bit of a doofus in the book too Oh yeah by the time we meet him he's basically just a figurehead propped up to prevent the civil war everyone knows is coming anyway. Like Japan at several moments just before another Era started
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banned from Starbucks posted:What changes/edits does it make? It's 3 hours long, adding in most of the stuff from the Alan Smithee cut that was put together for TV, and also includes every deleted scene that's present in the original text of the book. I agree with NeoRasa about it being as close to "definitive" a version as we'll ever get.
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Halloween Jack posted:Apologies if this has been posted, but regarding the aesthetics of Giedi Prime: Part of it was probably about trying to draw a strong contrast with everyone else without leaning as much into the Baron's hedonist gay pedophile stuff. So instead they're more explicitly all about power in all its forms (starting with the oil bath in DUNC 1), and Feyd ends up the only Harkonnen with anything sexual going on.
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What Denis was missing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRy18Euw6W4
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Kvantum posted:It's 3 hours long, adding in most of the stuff from the Alan Smithee cut that was put together for TV, and also includes every deleted scene that's present in the original text of the book. I agree with NeoRasa about it being as close to "definitive" a version as we'll ever get. Basically this. It's got just about everything from the Smithee version plus more/newly handled that's not in it the Smithee cut. But also unlike the Smithee version a lot of care was put into how it was edited instead of just slapping every scene together in order. LarsPorsenna posted:What Denis was missing: Man even as someone that enjoyed this overall, they really did make some decisions with some of the factions lmao
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Doctor Malaver posted:I'm actually glad our theater had normal sound. In the past 5 years or so it happened a couple of times to me and friends my age (in their 40's) that the movie is so loud we tried to make earplugs with pieces of paper tissues. kalel posted:given how the film contextualizes their relationship, I think that would be pretty tone deaf from paul if he said "I will rule over the empire" and then turned around and said to chani "hey remember how I promised I wouldn't become the ruler of the empire? yeah don't worry, I don't actually love irulan"
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Zero_Grade posted:I guess it works for this film, I'm just curious how Villanueve is gonna have Messiah make sense. I'm open to seeing what he cooks up though, since I do like how he's handled the franchise so far. Part of why I'm so hype for Messiah now isn't just because I loved Dune part 2, but because of the changes made there and further agency given to Chani and how they leave off at the end, the ground is set to go in some very different directions from the book while still covering the same themes and overall plot.
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It would be really funny if the dune trilogy ends up being the "Star Wars" of this generation.
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The culture isn't ready for Bijaz discourse
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GoodluckJonathan posted:It would be really funny if the dune trilogy ends up being the "Star Wars" of this generation. I wish expertly-crafted fantasy/sci-fi epic trilogies were made more than once every two decades
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LarsPorsenna posted:What Denis was missing: what in tarnation
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Those guys are just stooges. The real Guild Navigators are swimming around in their hats, telling them what to say.
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GoodluckJonathan posted:It would be really funny if the dune trilogy ends up being the "Star Wars" of this generation. Paul suddenly becoming the most popular boy's name in 2035 Couples Halloween costume where one dresses exactly like the other but with metallic contacts Walk Without Rhythm replacing May the Force Be With You Turbo nerds naming their kid Hasimir The Tleilaxu Clone Factory playset becoming this generation's Droid Factory playset with all the little __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Five different Disney+ spinoff shows based on the prequel novels 
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kalel posted:I wish expertly-crafted fantasy/sci-fi epic trilogies were made more than once every two decades It has been 50 years since star wars
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Dune is the modern day Avengers Infinity War
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ram dass in hell posted:It has been 50 years since star wars Friend, you forget the Lord of the Rings. Which is, what, ten years old? Lemme google that.
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I bet there has already been a surge in kids named "Atriedes"
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Somewhere out there is a family with a daughter named Kaleesi and a son named Atreides.
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GoodluckJonathan posted:I bet there has already been a surge in kids named "Atriedes" Lots of Baby Duncan's and Dunc's , both genders
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GoodluckJonathan posted:It would be really funny if the dune trilogy ends up being the "Star Wars" of this generation. the first two dune movies combined have made about as much money as the least popular star wars, rise of skywalker. the original star wars sold 178 million tickets in the united states alone, dune 2 is literally not going to get to 20% of that. There's no star wars of this or any subsequent generation, even Avatar sold about half as many tickets. No one is going to be buying Dune toys and celebrating a Dune holiday and watching Dune cartoons and wringing their hands over who will replace the voice actor for Leto II in 40 years
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DeimosRising posted:No one is going to be buying Dune toys and celebrating a Dune holiday and watching Dune cartoons and wringing their hands over who will replace the voice actor for Leto II in 40 years I will
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The reason no one is buying the dune toys is bc they’re kinda crappy. McFarlane makes them If they were better I might’ve snagged one
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They probably sold billions of the popcorn bucket
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DeimosRising posted:the first two dune movies combined have made about as much money as the least popular star wars, rise of skywalker. the original star wars sold 178 million tickets in the united states alone, dune 2 is literally not going to get to 20% of that. There's no star wars of this or any subsequent generation, even Avatar sold about half as many tickets. No one is going to be buying Dune toys and celebrating a Dune holiday and watching Dune cartoons and wringing their hands over who will replace the voice actor for Leto II in 40 years I'm imagining more of a slow burn.
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GoodluckJonathan posted:I'm imagining more of a slow burn. Our plans are measured in centuries
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