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verbal enema posted:dont kill maliketh if you want to still have leyndell i accidentally killed an important character of some kind in my game and didn't realize for like 10 hours
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Oops, rounded a corner on a roof and there was a guy and I stabbed him off the roof and it was Gastoc.
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Mar 22, 2024 03:40
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no that was a good call
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Mar 22, 2024 04:00
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You might find that you're getting slightly more xp when killing enemies in stormveil now. It's nothing to worry about.
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Mar 22, 2024 05:14
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i dont give a gently caress about the nerd tree
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Mar 22, 2024 06:54
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It is right to kill Ken Haight and Gostoc.
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Mar 22, 2024 07:49
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But what does nepheli do then? Sit in the roundtable hold forever? That's not much of a life.
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Mar 22, 2024 09:49
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They should have made every character retire to jarburg if you fail their quest line somehow and they don't die.
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Mar 22, 2024 10:14
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midwifecrisis posted:But what does nepheli do then? Sit in the roundtable hold forever? That's not much of a life. Back in my day, she did that anyway after sniffing hawk ash.
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Mar 22, 2024 10:27
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She completes her quest even if that guy is dead. Source: I killed that guy immediately after killing Godrick and Nepheli Loux teamed up with the mighty Kenneth Haight to rule Stormveil
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Mar 22, 2024 12:35
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Who could ever want to kill Ken Haight, the dude who got lost and wandered over from some other game entirely? He's gonna make me a knight!
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Mar 22, 2024 12:44
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Nuebot posted:They should have made every character retire to jarburg if you fail their quest line somehow and they don't die. If you fail enough questlines they all defend Jarburg and Diallos wins finally.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:45
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Ken is the one quest I've never done because it is so narratively and actually awkward. As far as I can tell it's like a comedy side quest to crown somebody king of these empty dead castles, a speed bump along the actual journey of somebody who matters becoming Elden Lord. Saving Boc and giving him the sewing kit and telling him he has value as a person has a more lasting impact, especially on my heart. I wonder if Ken's questline got rushed through development.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:51
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Doomykins posted:Ken is the one quest I've never done because it is so narratively and actually awkward. As far as I can tell it's like a comedy side quest to crown somebody king of these empty dead castles, a speed bump along the actual journey of somebody who matters becoming Elden Lord. Saving Boc and giving him the sewing kit and telling him he has value as a person has a more lasting impact, especially on my heart. Given it sort of unceremoniously ends, I have to assume it just wasn't finished.
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Mar 22, 2024 13:58
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Agoat posted:i dont give a gently caress about the nerd tree Elden Ring: I don't give a gently caress about the nerd tree
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Mar 22, 2024 13:58
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He just wants to reestablish contact with the demi-humans. When you rescue him, he's trapped by them and then once he's in the fort the enemies change to demi-humans, and he is once again trapped by demi-humans. Nobody else in Limgrave is really left with any kind of society, so I guess who else is he going to rule. The demi-humans don't like Ken though.
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Mar 22, 2024 14:02
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Doomykins posted:I wonder if Ken's questline got rushed through development. When the game launched Nepheli Loux, Ken Haight, and Gostoc's quests were straight-up impossible to complete, and were patched in around the same time as Jarburg, although I think not in the exact same patch. So something screwy went on, in any case.
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Mar 22, 2024 14:02
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Aw, I like Kenneth Haight. He’s a useless liberal rear end functionary who decides to accept everyone who will help the glorious cause of Order, even if he can’t keep himself from sneering at them for being graceless tarnished he’s an upgrade on the guy who was pulling their limbs off to stick to his rear end. It’s like the fable about the frogs who wanted Zeus to give them a king. In a land where every other member of the ruling class is blatantly a homicidal maniac, you gotta take Old King Log if you get him. In the same cut dialogue dumps where you can find info about Rhico the dream brewing NPC, you can find another cut character called Shanehaight (sic) who is like a Leyndell noble who wants you to kill omens for him to impress Morgott (who he doesn’t realize is also an omen). Seems like a first pass on the “dipshit noble who expects you to do everything” character type
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Mar 22, 2024 14:11
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I like Ken though, he's such an un-Soulsy character, and even if he's a dumbass his quest points towards an actual future for the world he lives and not just a noble or tragic death. It does feel like a statement of intent that they finally made a fantasy game *not* about entropy and accepting death?
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Mar 22, 2024 14:12
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The real payoff to all of that stuff is access to 2 ancient smithing stones.
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Mar 22, 2024 15:41
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When did they say this was coming out again
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Mar 22, 2024 15:51
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Ken rules, hes dumb but he puts his money where his mouth is which counts for a lot. Despite being a considerable weirdo himself he still thinks Godrick is a loser which is funny. The fact that eventually it works out exactly as he had planned all along is what seals it.
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Mar 22, 2024 16:16
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He's got that Kenergy.
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Epic High Five posted:Ken rules, hes dumb but he puts his money where his mouth is which counts for a lot. Despite being a considerable weirdo himself he still thinks Godrick is a loser which is funny. The fact that eventually it works out exactly as he had planned all along is what seals it. I feel this. I appreciate that Kenneth has principles and stands for them. It’s funny that those principles are so obviously terrible and partially responsible for making everything as bad as it currently is, but it’s still a cogent set of beliefs. I like that he’s so dedicated to his stupid noble ideals that he passes up the opportunity to walk into the now-abandoned Limgrave throne room and become lord of the whole region because he strongly feels that his bloodline isn’t noble enough for that mantle. It’s a weird sort of humility that shows how, as self-important as he is, he’s not just using the monarchal system of the Lands Between to get as much power as he can. He does genuinely believe in it. He’s not malicious, he’s well-meaning, just deluded. It’s hard to hold that against him. The worst thing you can say about him is that he perpetuates the systems of inequality which were already present in The Lands Between, but at the time of the game all that has basically gone out the window. A guy who is not actively hunting down and killing Tarnished, Demi-Humans, Albinaurics, and anyone else different than him is one of the best guys left basically by default. Maybe it will be a problem once you become Elden Lord and things start going back to normal… unless you did the Nepheli Loux quest, in which case she’ll almost certainly work toward making things more equitable. And if she does, the great Kenneth Haight will surely be behind her every step of the way. She is of such noble blood, after all. How could she be wrong?
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Mar 22, 2024 17:11
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Ken Haight drops a golden seed upon killing him so there’s no way he ever sees the light of day again.
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Mar 22, 2024 17:18
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Doomykins posted:Ken is the one quest I've never done because it is so narratively and actually awkward. As far as I can tell it's like a comedy side quest to crown somebody king of these empty dead castles, a speed bump along the actual journey of somebody who matters becoming Elden Lord. Saving Boc and giving him the sewing kit and telling him he has value as a person has a more lasting impact, especially on my heart. Kind of. The original idea was a three way tie in terms of who becomes the new ruler of Limgrave between him, Nepheli, and Gostoc I think and you'd back one of them. Then it got more simplified to what it is now. There's also remnants of another questline about a character named Shanehaight who HATES Omen and greatly admires King Morgott for all he's done and wishes for an audience with him. When he discovers he's an Omen, he think he's an imposter who killed the real Morgott and took his place and asks you kill him.
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Mar 22, 2024 17:22
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Your Uncle Dracula posted:Ken Haight drops a golden seed upon killing him so there’s no way he ever sees the light of day again. Sad but true.
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Ariong posted:I feel this. I appreciate that Kenneth has principles and stands for them. It’s funny that those principles are so obviously terrible and partially responsible for making everything as bad as it currently is, but it’s still a cogent set of beliefs. I like that he’s so dedicated to his stupid noble ideals that he passes up the opportunity to walk into the now-abandoned Limgrave throne room and become lord of the whole region because he strongly feels that his bloodline isn’t noble enough for that mantle. It’s a weird sort of humility that shows how, as self-important as he is, he’s not just using the monarchal system of the Lands Between to get as much power as he can. He does genuinely believe in it. He’s not malicious, he’s well-meaning, just deluded. It’s hard to hold that against him. I have to slightly disagree on Kenneth. While he does view them as uncivilized, he actually respects the Demihumans as a group and society who very much deserve basic rights and respect and very much seems to lean more towards Turtle Pope or Goldmask in terms of views about things. Given he backs Nepheli for the throne who is a tarnished as well as someone who is very much a champion for the weak and downtrodden heavily leans to this. Your Uncle Dracula posted:Ken Haight drops a golden seed upon killing him so there’s no way he ever sees the light of day again. But then you lose a Dragon Smithing Stone. It's a bad trade deal.
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Mar 22, 2024 17:30
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Ken is such a funny name sprinkled in with Nepheli and Hoarah and Maliketh and Gostoc and Melina. I used to work with a real dummy named Ken
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Mar 22, 2024 17:38
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Your Uncle Dracula posted:Ken Haight drops a golden seed upon killing him so there’s no way he ever sees the light of day again. There are way more golden seeds than you'll ever have a use for, and killing him means you lose out on 2 ancient smithing stones.
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Mar 22, 2024 17:42
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I would never kill The Great Kenneth Haight, he's going to knight me and throw me a party as soon as he's able! Any day now!
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Mar 22, 2024 17:49
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Your Uncle Dracula posted:Ken Haight drops a golden seed upon killing him so there’s no way he ever sees the light of day again. The game's lousy with them. I'm carting them round like a sack of oranges by the game's end!
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tbf it would be nice if you could pop excess golden seeds for extra runes or something
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tbh my impression is that Sir Kenneth Haight's mission to rescue the demi-humans from pure villainhood is the most likely cut content for his whole deal. Once you leave Limgrave you basically never hear about it again, whereas demi-humans and their involvement in wider goings on are almost everywhere. Raya Lucaria training them as mages, Boc of course, there's several boss-level demi-humans (though not hard bosses), they clearly have their own culture and clan-level society and pecking order, they use weapons and tactics like ambushes and taking and holding ground, and probably more examples I'm forgetting. You don't find them in Haligtree, they aren't trying to escape anything, they're fighting to protect something we never really see. Whether that's cut content or just From's broad strokes storytelling is hard to say. He's a bit of a dweeb but he's one of my favorite characters and I wish he had more screentime, I've never killed him once, who could do such a thing?! His open hand to the demi-humans and genuine respect for them and his vision of equality under the Golden Order is also a bit of a wink to the player because Tarnished aren't regarded any better by society at large, he's willing to bring you into his plans because he's the kind of guy who sees unfair prejudice and pushes against it, not because you're some big dick badass. Rather the opposite.
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Node posted:I'm reading conflicting reports: when exactly does the erdtree burn and the world goes on fire? Is it upon the death of the fire giant? Is it when you or Melina burn yourselves and get transported to Farum Azula? Or is it when you kill Maliketh? I want to get as far as I can without setting the world on fire in preparation for the DLC.  the erdtree burned before the start of the game
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Mar 22, 2024 18:03
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Fister Roboto posted:There are way more golden seeds than you'll ever have a use for, and killing him means you lose out on 2 ancient smithing stones. Yeah but I need Golden Seeds in the early game way more than I need level 10 smithing stones in the late game.
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Mar 22, 2024 18:14
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As limited as his quest is, Kenneth is part of the reason Limgrave feels a bit more lived in than the rest of the game. It discusses an actual political situation that's changed over time, which you don't really get in other places. It also helps that every NPC in Limgrave shits all over Godrick.
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And then you go to Weeping Peninsula and presumably Edgar has been cooped up in his castle for so long he's somehow still faithful to Godrick and has completely misplaced and forgotten about his blind daughter(?).
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Mar 22, 2024 18:19
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Ariong posted:Yeah but I need Golden Seeds in the early game way more than I need level 10 smithing stones in the late game. The Elden Ring marshmallow test
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Your Uncle Dracula posted:And then you go to Weeping Peninsula and presumably Edgar has been cooped up in his castle for so long he's somehow still faithful to Godrick and has completely misplaced and forgotten about his blind daughter(?). He sent her north to keep her safe from the rebellion of the misbegotten. But they caught up with her and her escort. The forgetting bit is mostly that once you give him the letter from her it changes nothing.
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