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ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

studio mujahideen posted:

generations arent real

They aren't but there is a cohort who was the first to grow up with TV starting from the end of WW2, this is undeniable

Equally undeniable is that it hosed them up

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crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

studio mujahideen posted:

generations arent real

I dislike the term because it's usually shorthand for trends in American populations that don't necessarily work in an international context but it's fine if you're clarifying what you mean by the word rather than just shorthand for "young whippersnapper with blue hair and 18 genders"

studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005

ClassActionFursuit posted:

They aren't but there is a cohort who was the first to grow up with TV starting from the end of WW2, this is undeniable

Equally undeniable is that it hosed them up

what about every other generation that grew up with tv. if the answer is 'theyre also hosed up' then you're getting close to understanding

its never not been true!! there's no mythical time when people were Better. everything just feels worse because you're living through it

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

studio mujahideen posted:

what about every other generation that grew up with tv. if the answer is 'theyre also hosed up' then you're getting close to understanding

its never not been true!! there's no mythical time when people were Better. everything just feels worse because you're living through it

There was a time when people weren't consuming isolating entertainment a majority of their day, it's literally within living memory.

The supposition at the time was that "Television becoming ubiquitous would have deleterious effects on society, particularly those for whom who did not experience society prior to such" and I think one could make a strong argument that it ended up being mostly correct.

The argument Liz made is that the same argument could be applied to the internet and I'd argue that's likely true as well.

Television as the ubiquitous entertainment medium is only going to apply to people born from 1945 to about 2000 or so. I'm not saying the cohort who grow up after this won't be hosed up, but they certainly won't be hosed up in this particular way which is the entire point of the first argument. I can't really see how someone could argue against it at this point.

You seem to be saying that yeah things are always hosed up which is just vacuously true. It's a completely meaningless assertion.

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004

Xaris posted:

this

i mean i get no one wants to be "old man yells at clouds kidzz these days just want to skateboard!",. durr socrates once said 3000 years ago the kids are going to hell in teh handbasket everythings fine!!!

but there definitely is. you also have to be really DV-esque dumb to not see connection between rapid degradation of material conditions, hyper surveillance and computerization, lack of social cohesion and kinships, and bleak future outlooks to not believe that actually yes, things are worse and younger kids are going to have a much worse and deteriorated time than the past, and will behave accordingly.

behavior is downstream of ecology, and.. buddy, have you seen contemporary american ecosystem recently?

even just talking about the west in recent memory, your grandparents and parents lived through two world wars and the nuclear cold war. google search being worse and reddit posts about kids not knowing what 1 + 1 is doesn't mean you get to feel this way about yourself.

now the people that are going to have to venture out of their bunkers at night to gather resources before the rising scorching sun deserve as much self pity as they want

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

there really is something to be said about the complete fraying and atomization of communal relationships. almost makes me want to go back to church

slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.
we must destroy podcasts

Cael
Feb 2, 2004

I get this funky high on the yellow sun.

begun, the podcast crusades have

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

slave to my cravings posted:

we must destroy podcasts

they're my last friends

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

i say swears online posted:

there really is something to be said about the complete fraying and atomization of communal relationships. almost makes me want to go back to church

Many people are saying the local game shop is the modern day church

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Cael posted:

begun, the podcast crusades have

the Franczakian Jihad

The337th
Mar 30, 2011


the noise level is unending now, and more varied than ever, TV is a quaint thing to panic about when contrasted with infinite algorithmic distractions at your fingertips 24/7

that noise has always existed, and people have never been perfectly wired to grasp reality, but this modern noise level should be concerning for how potent it is at atomizing everyone, as a purposeful tool and even by accident

that noise is also seeding the majority of people who would live largely apolitical lives with a thought terminating minefield across their understanding of conditions around them, making attempts to drag them toward material reality (or even just their own immediate self interest) more complex than ever

everyone a step more political are trivially propagandized into causes that struggle to intersect, much less build into a greater movement, because there's an endless amount of noise to disagree on

and we all live with the noise, it's our cope and a comfort blanket in response to everyone else embracing the noise in ways that alienate people from each other on a day to day basis, most of us wouldn't know what to do without it at this point

you can choose to go touch grass on an individualistic level, but what's gained if no one else is willing or able to join you

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

The337th posted:

the noise level is unending now, and more varied than ever, TV is a quaint thing to panic about when contrasted with infinite algorithmic distractions at your fingertips 24/7

that noise has always existed, and people have never been perfectly wired to grasp reality, but this modern noise level should be concerning for how potent it is at atomizing everyone, as a purposeful tool and even by accident

that noise is also seeding the majority of people who would live largely apolitical lives with a thought terminating minefield across their understanding of conditions around them, making attempts to drag them toward material reality (or even just their own immediate self interest) more complex than ever

everyone a step more political are trivially propagandized into causes that struggle to intersect, much less build into a greater movement, because there's an endless amount of noise to disagree on

and we all live with the noise, it's our cope and a comfort blanket in response to everyone else embracing the noise in ways that alienate people from each other on a day to day basis, most of us wouldn't know what to do without it at this point

you can choose to go touch grass on an individualistic level, but what's gained if no one else is willing or able to join you

I would encourage you to go touch some grass

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Max: ... and the goons... that's what they call themselves, goons....

Liz: [quietly] I don't like that :(

The337th
Mar 30, 2011


HashtagGirlboss posted:

I would encourage you to go touch some grass

Oh no!

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

Joementum posted:

Max: ... and the goons... that's what they call themselves, goons....

Liz: [quietly] I don't like that :(

yeah, I don't think she was saying she hates the forums but the word "goon" has some, uh, connotations in tyool 2024

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

it's our word

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

George: it’s a message board! we’re goons.
Jerry: so you’re gooning
George: I’m gooning, Jerry!

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

HashtagGirlboss posted:

I would encourage you to go touch some grass

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024


you should go to prison for this

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Mandel Brotset posted:

you should go to prison for this

i remember screengrabbing a few of the more bizarre ones here

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lol

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004


it's cumtown for girls (nick mullen is the butterfly)

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

i say swears online posted:

i remember screengrabbing a few of the more bizarre ones here

this one was pretty good we already discussed it but lol again


quote:

Hosted by Negin Farsad, everyone's favorite Iranian American Muslim Comedian Podcast Host with Black Hair and Red Glasses, Fake the Nation is a comedy show that isn't afraid to talk about news, culture, and humanity’s weirdness. Every week Negin is joined by her funniest, smartest, and most politically astute friends. People like Samantha Bee, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Paula Poundstone, Margaret Cho, Larry Wilmore and others. They’ll make you laugh, think, and deliver a gut punch to the country we all love, America. It's like a really fun dinner party where nothing is off limits but you don’t have to pretend to like salad.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

i say swears online posted:

i remember screengrabbing a few of the more bizarre ones here

Host podcast name combo

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

mawarannahr posted:

this one was pretty good we already discussed it but lol again



forgot the description, ty lol

majour333
Mar 2, 2005

Mouthfart.
Fun Shoe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44_xdB_zRJU

QUEER FRASIER
May 31, 2011

dying at the Chapo reading of the white nationalist moving to the midwest and becoming convinced that midwestern white people are some sort of lesser, asiatic-hobbit subrace of whites and that perhaps white nationalism is not so great after all

turn the midwest into a massive open air reeducation camp imo

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

QUEER FRASIER posted:

dying at the Chapo reading of the white nationalist moving to the midwest and becoming convinced that midwestern white people are some sort of lesser, asiatic-hobbit subrace of whites and that perhaps white nationalism is not so great after all

turn the midwest into a massive open air reeducation camp imo

that article was posted somewhere in cspam and he didn't seem like much of a not-racist at all, he just hates the midwest

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


i say swears online posted:

that article was posted somewhere in cspam and he didn't seem like much of a not-racist at all, he just hates the midwest

Arguably a transition from white nationalist to garden variety racist is an improvement but of course he's still scum

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009

i say swears online posted:

that article was posted somewhere in cspam and he didn't seem like much of a not-racist at all, he just hates the midwest

Yeah if someone is still talking about testosterone levels and people being Hobbits and poo poo they're one push away from finding some newer stupider kind of racism to jump into with both feet

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

QUEER FRASIER
May 31, 2011

hm yeah I initially read it as a step down from white nationalism to mere white supremacist, but I guess he was more realistically moving the other direction where you’ve accomplished the white nation and it’s time to start theorizing which subraces of the whites need to be culled

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

i say swears online posted:

i remember screengrabbing a few of the more bizarre ones here

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

who listens to all this poo poo

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

QUEER FRASIER posted:

dying at the Chapo reading of the white nationalist moving to the midwest and becoming convinced that midwestern white people are some sort of lesser, asiatic-hobbit subrace of whites and that perhaps white nationalism is not so great after all

turn the midwest into a massive open air reeducation camp imo

he just hated them because they didn't have the true white sigma grindset

guy is still a racist rear end in a top hat, just didn't like people being content

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

the rural midwest used to be cool. it was full of unions and socialists and nice people. now it's a place where you can still buy a house for the price of a honda accord, but everyone is broke and getting broker and, in my experience, hates anyone for trying to improve things.

i grew up poor in rural iowa, but there were your normal "rich" kids with parents who ran manufacturing places. now my hometown is so poor they don't even bother to do cursory income checks to see if your family qualifies for free lunch - every kid just eats for free now.

dollar general and family dollar are probably the biggest employers outside the local school and hospital systems. when my parents die, i don't know what ill do with their house. sell it for $40 grand and split the money four ways, i guess? if i can get that much down the road? the population has only shrunk since 1950, and no one is having kids, so who needs a big victorian house?

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tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

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