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blunt posted:There was more under those spotlighted articles Yeah but that sounds like she is acknowledging what has been reported, no accusations of her own I am just accusing the news site of trying to gin a nothing statement from Ronda up into a big slam on Vince when it isn’t really, not saying that she did or did not see anything
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I think it’s somewhat notable when anyone speaks out against them even if it’s not introducing any new information, especially when it’s someone like Rousey who has said many horrible and lovely things in the past. It’s nice to see even a broken clock sees them for who they are and can apparently confirm that it’s even still a gross boys club from her own short run there.
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rotinaj posted:Yeah but that sounds like she is acknowledging what has been reported, no accusations of her own Ronda Rousey posted:“WWE bills itself as a sports entertainment organization, and just like in the mainstream entertainment industry, there was by all accounts a casting couch culture where men backstage in powerful positions pressured female talent for sexual favors in return for airtime.”’ I think there's an important distinction here between acknowledging the reports and what she's saying here. While she hasn't pointed a finger or named names, she is a primary source who worked there and surely is saying this because she heard or saw something during her time there, no? Additionally, I saw someone on Rddit post a fuller excerpt to provide context to the quote from her book. The last sentence stands out to me: 
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loose goose posted:I think there's an important distinction here between acknowledging the reports and what she's saying here. While she hasn't pointed a finger or named names, she is a primary source who worked there and surely is saying this because she heard or saw something during her time there, no? Eh, that “by all accounts” could be doing a whole fuckin’ lot of heavy lifting. There is nothing directly from Ronda even insinuating that she isn’t speaking of the publicly known stuff. I am not saying she couldn’t be, just that in this case, it doesn’t seem like she is bringing up anything. Which is certainly her right. Ronda knows she’ll be asked about it as she releases her book, it is a hot topic, she makes a statement she doesn’t think will ruffle any feathers, and i personally feel that the news sites were blowing up her statement to imply way more than what her statement said. I am just trying to poo poo on bad reporting.
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loose goose posted:I think there's an important distinction here between acknowledging the reports and what she's saying here. While she hasn't pointed a finger or named names, she is a primary source who worked there and surely is saying this because she heard or saw something during her time there, no? The second worst thing to happen to women’s professional wrestling in the West suddenly realised that he could make money from 51% of the population, and as such, gave the women on the roster a WrestleMania match named after the worst thing. Which he then promptly forgot about two years later.
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quote:How much of an absolute poo poo show it is at the WWE because they can't hold the story over my head and hold me hostage with my own career. I don't need anything from them and I don't intend on going back, so I can say everything that I think and feel while everybody else is still held captive by their organization...The only thing that really held me back was the number of words I was allowed to have in this book. We were contractually held to 90,000 words, and I was going to talk so much more poo poo, especially about John Laurinaitis and Bruce Prichard. I understand, we had to streamline everything and now take a detour on the ‘gently caress these old bastards’ path. There was a lot more to it, but I had to get down to the meat and potatoes. https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/ronda-rousey-i-was-going-talk-more-poo poo-my-book-especially-about-john-laurinaitis-and-bruce-prichard Very "heartbreaking: the worst person you know made a good point" etc
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Ganso Bomb posted:I think it’s somewhat notable when anyone speaks out against them even if it’s not introducing any new information, especially when it’s someone like Rousey who has said many horrible and lovely things in the past. It’s nice to see even a broken clock sees them for who they are and can apparently confirm that it’s even still a gross boys club from her own short run there. Yeah, I'm really struggling to see anything really wrong with what Rousey said here. Considering how she was immediately presented as a big deal almost immediately, I think it's fairly likely that she may have been insulated from a lot of the kind of poo poo that the women hired around the time of, or via, the Diva Search probably got subjected to.
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Just don’t ask Ronda about Sandy Hook or Fallon Fox.
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Did more details about the grand jury investigation come out in the last couple days? I saw someone tweeting about it like there was something new but I've been out a bunch.
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Becky Lynch posted:I don’t know that person, you know what I mean? That’s been hard for me. We didn’t always see eye-to-eye, but especially in my last run with him there, and when I told him I was pregnant, he was so good to me. Apart from the run-ins — but you have run-ins in every relationship, especially at that level — I only ever had a wonderful experience in WWE with Vince, for the most part. https://www.independent.ie/entertai...a523887059.html
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Jfc all you have to do is refuse to comment and say you're still processing the allegations/have faith in the justice system or whatever.
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I just have an incredibly hard time believing his evil side was that well hidden
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The337th posted:I just have an incredibly hard time believing his evil side was that well hidden I suspect that it's just very easy to look the other way and rationalise anything you do see when you're one of the biggest beneficiaries of a horrible system
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Gotta hedge your bets because all his idiot spawn and yes men are in power.
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Becky's thoughts are fine and maybe a little living in denial but really lack that one firm sentence to really show she's having difficulty processing something she accepts as reality.
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The337th posted:I just have an incredibly hard time believing his evil side was that well hidden Never underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. Personally, I think Seth and Becky have handled this the best of anybody in the company. They're not denying what happened or denying the experiences of Janel Grant or anybody else. They're just stuck in the mindset of "I have all this success that I owe to Vince McMahon", instead of understanding that they earned that success themselves with their talent and hard work that Vince was willing to exploit to make money for himself. And that barely has anything to do with Vince McMahon in specific and is just something capitalism drills into people's minds. MJeff fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Mar 23, 2024 |
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waffle iron posted:Jfc all you have to do is refuse to comment and say you're still processing the allegations/have faith in the justice system or whatever.
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having faith in the justice system in this country, especially when it’s a rich white man in trouble, is loving idiotic.
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I'm not talking about actually having faith in anything. Just confused how no one has given her a reasonably short phrase to deflect from having to directly go on record.
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waffle iron posted:Jfc all you have to do is refuse to comment and say you're still processing the allegations/have faith in the justice system or whatever. its capitalism. Its hard not to work for total monsters. Esp when there's big money involved. Steal what you can and salt down the ghouls on the way out.
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The337th posted:I just have an incredibly hard time believing his evil side was that well hidden I think the opposite. There is a cottage industry created just to gossip about this company. If this was some open secret that literally everyone knew, we'd have heard much more about it. The entire point of this lawsuit is that executives covered it up. MassRafTer posted:Becky's thoughts are fine and maybe a little living in denial but really lack that one firm sentence to really show she's having difficulty processing something she accepts as reality. Agreed. Seems like a genuine statement. waffle iron posted:I'm not talking about actually having faith in anything. Just confused how no one has given her a reasonably short phrase to deflect from having to directly go on record. I think what she said was better than a canned statement - what she said seemed real.
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81sidewinder posted:I think the opposite. There is a cottage industry created just to gossip about this company. If this was some open secret that literally everyone knew, we'd have heard much more about it. The entire point of this lawsuit is that executives covered it up. Dave knew
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Vince McMahon's abusive and predatory behavior, a complete unknown before this case broke
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81sidewinder posted:I think the opposite. There is a cottage industry created just to gossip about this company. If this was some open secret that literally everyone knew, we'd have heard much more about it. The entire point of this lawsuit is that executives covered it up. The lawsuit is a little more nuance than that is pretty clear that there was a culture of misconduct and abuse and cover up in WWE, but that this happened in clear view of execs, ordinary workers and wrestlers and no one did anything. While no one was reporting on this particular abuse, we are also at a time where Dave Meltzer has less sources than ever before and in the past he was most likely to report on it. But, who broke the PC abuse scandal? It was the victims themselves. That was happening in front of people with DeMott being brazen about it and HHH being brazen about the cover up in front of talent. But if you asked PC wrestlers of that era today they wouldn't think of HHH as involved. If you want to believe the best in people and those people are constantly hammering you that they are your family it is hard to break those beliefs even if abuse is happening basically in front of you.
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The level of cruelty at the PC would have been common on many football teams up until the early 2000s and maybe beyond in some areas. You could chalk that up to pro sports and/or rasslin culture and rationalize it pretty easily as part of 'protecting the business'. It was also happening at a satellite facility down in florida and not on the road for TV or at the corporate offices. I don't see that as analogous to the rank and file accepting that the boss is raping an an employee in a boardroom during business hours The337th posted:Vince McMahon's abusive and predatory behavior, a complete unknown before this case broke The casting couch for total divas, the coverup of the Ashley Massaro assault, the tanning salon incident, Rita Chatterton, etc - that's all brutal, horrible poo poo. I can absolutely see people being aware or vaguely aware and rationalizing that as being years ago, or whatever. Or, simply compartmentalizing to make a living. It's also already been handled in the public's opinion, or maybe even literally litigated would be an easy lie to tell yourself. Suggesting that tons of people knew the full details of the hell that Janel Grant was going through as recently as the last 3-5 years - I don't buy it. I absolutely buy that somewhere between 2-5 executives beyond Vince and Lauranitis were aware and maybe helped cover it up, absolutely. Maybe a few supervisors or HR folks knew that an underqualified person was being transferred and promoted because she was dating the boss. The idea that everyone from the office drones to the wrestlers to the cameraman on down knew that Vince and Johnny had a violent, cruel, non-consensual relationship with her? I don't see that as likely at all. For one - If it was that broadly known, the idea that Endeavor paid as much as they did seems impossible to me. WWE would have been a radioactive asset and the NDAs would not have been sufficient to keep this hidden.
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81sidewinder posted:The level of cruelty at the PC would have been common on many football teams up until the early 2000s and maybe beyond in some areas. You could chalk that up to pro sports and/or rasslin culture and rationalize it pretty easily as part of 'protecting the business'. It was also happening at a satellite facility down in florida and not on the road for TV or at the corporate offices. I don't see that as analogous to the rank and file accepting that the boss is raping an an employee in a boardroom during business hours My point is that one specific case wasn't needed to realize that Vince wasn't actually a decent person like he comes across in her statement You don't need to see the worst (currently known) example of someone's abuses to suspect they're awful when so much more has already been out there
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81sidewinder posted:The level of cruelty at the PC would have been common on many football teams up until the early 2000s and maybe beyond in some areas. You could chalk that up to pro sports and/or rasslin culture and rationalize it pretty easily as part of 'protecting the business'. It was also happening at a satellite facility down in florida and not on the road for TV or at the corporate offices. I don't see that as analogous to the rank and file accepting that the boss is raping an an employee in a boardroom during business hours Vince McMahon literally involved an outside doctor in his scheme and an outside PT in the rapes. He showed explicit photos and shared details with referees and techs. Brock Lesnar was involved. You are completely, utterly wrong about how many people knew what this was. And the PC abuse involved Bill DeMott bragging to the trainees that he had fired those who ratted, on top of abuse. It was blatant what they were doing and that they were doing it with impunity. The women harassed knew a female executive had been fired for speaking up. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Mar 24, 2024 |
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That everybody responsible for this has gotten to this point in their lives without imprisonment/broken kneecaps is why people want to believe in Hell.
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That’s what would have prevented all this, a company policy.
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noted policy follower Vince McMahon
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Pope Corky the IX posted:That’s what would have prevented all this, a company policy. Just like any HR policy, it's all about protecting the company from lawsuits.
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