|
Al-Saqr posted:the resolutions going to fail, america blocked the introduction of 'permament' dta
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 05:27 |
|
|
the resolution passed, sadly we need to see the actual wording, the lack of the word 'permament' is a big boon to the israelis and if the resolution demands the release of the hostages than Hamas lost alot of its cards.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:41
|
|
|
However, the fact that a ceasefire resolution passed with immediate effect, and if the israelis are forced to abide by it (lol) that means the israelis for now have lost the war in the military sense, the real issue is wether they're forced to withdraw or not, or if Hamas is forced to give up their hostages with no real benefit.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:44
|
|
|
speng31b posted:more importantly what happens if Israel just does what they always do and ignore it and do whatever they want anyhow they get to complete the genocide with a bow tie and seal of approval from the international community
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:45
|
|
|
yeah this sucks rear end without the word permanent alongside forcing hamas to give up all hostages
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:46
|
|
|
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-will-stop-working-with-unrwa-gaza-government-spokesperson-says-2024-03-25/ Israel will stop working with the U.N. Relief Works Agency in the Gaza Strip, a government spokesperson said on Monday, accusing the aid agency of perpetuating conflict. "UNRWA are part of the problem, and we will now stop working with them. We are actively phasing out the use of UNRWA because they perpetuate the conflict rather than try and alleviate the conflict," spokesperson David Mencer told reporters.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:47
|
|
|
HallelujahLee posted:yeah this sucks rear end without the word permanent alongside forcing hamas to give up all hostages to which Hamas should say "no" which is exactly the point of the exercise
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:47
|
|
|
HallelujahLee posted:yeah this sucks rear end without the word permanent alongside forcing hamas to give up all hostages let's see the actual stipulations are, if it's as bad as it is it's genuinely bad that russia and china didnt veto it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:47
|
|
|
Al-Saqr posted:let's see the actual stipulations are, if it's as bad as it is it's genuinely bad that russia and china didnt veto it. yep need to see the text. when do they publish that?
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:48
|
|
|
I saw some indications that there were two resolutions today, one calling for a ceasefire and another calling for hostage release, without necessary connection to each other, but I'm not 100% on that.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:49
|
|
|
Return word ‘permanent’ to resolution: Russia’s ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzya says that the word cannot be replaced; otherwise Israel will go back to resuming its onslaught in Gaza. Russia proposes an amendment to the text, but it is voted down. Three countries backed it, one voted against and 11 abstained.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:49
|
|
|
bobtheconqueror posted:I saw some indications that there were two resolutions today, one calling for a ceasefire and another calling for hostage release, without necessary connection to each other, but I'm not 100% on that. if so, then this resolution is a win for the palestinians. but lets see.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:52
|
|
|
it's moments like this I kinda wish I still had twitter so I can see immediate reactions but then I remember that I've had 10 days of perfect mental serenity so I dont miss it at all.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 15:54
|
|
|
Al-Saqr posted:if so, then this resolution is a win for the palestinians. but lets see. Oh nvm it looks like they may have amended the resolution to put them together. Al Jazeera says both things, calling for ceasefire and hostage release, were in the same resolution.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:01
|
|
|
Sadly yeah, this is a terrible lovely resolution, releasing the hostages without demanding permanent ceasefire is now just giving cover for Israel to take a breather then resume genocide, china and russia are pieces of poo poo for not vetoing this. Now israel can claim they are acting on behalf of the UN. this is a really bad resolution so it's no wonder america didnt veto it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:03
|
|
|
bobtheconqueror posted:Oh nvm it looks like they may have amended the resolution to put them together. Al Jazeera says both things, calling for ceasefire and hostage release, were in the same resolution. I doubt Israel will be releasing all of their Palestinian prisoners and they're all hostages too, so I don't see why Hamas should do so without Israel doing the same.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:04
|
|
|
I think they played russia and china it was a very last second play by the us
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:04
|
|
|
Bel Shazar posted:I doubt Israel will be releasing all of their Palestinian prisoners and they're all hostages too, so I don't see why Hamas should do so without Israel doing the same. Hamas obviously won't (and shouldn't) abide by this, though it still sucks that it was passed. Russia and China vetoed resolutions like this before, so I'm not sure what was different this time.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:05
|
|
|
Nah Russia called it out they couldve vetoed it but didnt. also, the wording in the resolution itself didnt specify who's hostages where, so Hamas can claim that the Israelis have hostages as well that must be released. Basically, america bought israel two weeks or so of respite.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:06
|
|
|
Al-Saqr posted:also, the wording in the resolution itself didnt specify who's hostages where, so Hamas can claim that the Israelis have hostages as well that must be released. this is a big deal imo everyone knows the israelis are taking hostages
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:08
|
|
|
Disappointing all around but whatever hamas cannot abide by this and israel never will
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:08
|
|
|
OctaMurk posted:this is a big deal imo yep they filmed themselves doing it too
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:09
|
|
|
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...0000#1721707678 The Prime Minister's Office announced, following the passing of the UN resolution calling for a cease-fire, that the U.S. decision not to veto a resolution that supports a cease-fire without the release of the hostages hurts the war effort and contradicts its stance throughout the war. According to the announcement, "This withdrawal hurts both the war effort and the effort to release the hostages, because it gives Hamas hope that international pressure will allow them to accept a cease-fire without the release of our abductees." In light of this, the Prime Minister Netanyahu has decided to cancel the delegation to Washington.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:13
|
|
|
Malloc Voidstar posted:https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...0000#1721707678 Wait, what? Without the release of the hostages?
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:15
|
|
|
1- ceasefire for two weeks with vague steps for permanent ceasefire 2- removal of all obstacles to allow unlimited aid in, effectively lifting the siege of Gaza. 3- asking for all hostages to be released without specifying whos hostages by whom overall, a neutral resolution, the win for israel is no strong 'permamnet' ceasefire wording, but the palestinians got the win of aid being allowed in with no limits and obstacles, and the lack of specific wording on the hostages gives hamas alot of wiggle room diplomatically to tie their hostage release with the israelis releasing their hostages.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:17
|
|
|
unlimited aids
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:18
|
|
|
Sancho Banana posted:Wait, what? Without the release of the hostages? the UN resolution did not actually state whos hostages has to be released by whom, the wording was neutral. this means Hamas has diplomatic wiggle room to negotiate a two-way hostage deal.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:18
|
|
|
given how turbofascist israel is even a two week ceasefire might be too much for them to accept
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:18
|
|
|
Critical aid for hamas
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:21
|
|
|
can we get this image that shows which countries voted how? wanna see who's a coward
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:21
|
|
|
Al-Saqr posted:the UN resolution did not actually state whos hostages has to be released by whom, the wording was neutral. this means Hamas has diplomatic wiggle room to negotiate a two-way hostage deal. Wiggle room, to wiggle a few tunnels under the Knesset building hopefully.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:21
|
|
|
Death to Israel.
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:24
|
|
|
netanyahu is pooping his pamps ===== Netanyahu cancels Israeli delegation's visit to Washington The Israeli Prime Minister’s Court said Benjamin Netanyahu canceled an Israeli delegation’s visit to Washington after it abstained from voting on the UN Security Council resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire in the Gaza Strip. For his part, US National Security Council Strategic Communications Coordinator John Kirby said that the US abstention from voting on the Security Council resolution “does not represent a shift in our policy,” explaining, “We did not vote in favor of the resolution and we simply abstain because the final formula does not include enthusiastically condemnation.” https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31605;&%231606;
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:24
|
|
|
go play outside Skyler posted:can we get this image that shows which countries voted how?
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:26
|
|
|
now thinking on it, the neutral wording on the hostage clause is extremely significant and a major loss for israel, hamas can claim many thousands of people are hostages of israel
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:34
|
|
|
It seems mostly irrelevant, is there any reason to think that Israel is going to let aid in? Or even to think that they won't just ignore it entirely?
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:35
|
|
|
Flournival Dixon posted:It seems mostly irrelevant, is there any reason to think that Israel is going to let aid in? Or even to think that they won't just ignore it entirely? Yeah same, what happens if Israel ignores? Will UN hold them accountable?
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:38
|
|
|
So they didn't remove "permanent" entirely, rather they changed it to the more vague "lasting sustainable". The semantics here are all flexible, hence why the voting results are strange compared to other resolutions. Let's see how it plays out. https://twitter.com/prem_thakker/status/1772272613668102509?t=PU7ykcq8Lyj8T3e0EexN0w&s=19
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:38
|
|
|
literally 30 minutes before the UN resolution, Hamas launched rockets on Asdod, a fitting message to the israelis that on the moment of ceasefire they didnt accomplish jack poo poo https://x.com/AJA_Palestine/status/1772281354316587426?s=20
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 05:27 |
|
|
just need to run out the clock until ramadan is over
|
|
#
?
Mar 25, 2024 16:39
|
|