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cheetah7071 posted:the process of building a hegemony is extremely bloody, but things do tend to be more peaceful while they last. A bit of a pradoxical knot to untangle. I always remember this paper I read years ago now discussing the idea of Peace in IR Theory and tracing it back to Rome: quote:Canonical texts in international relations define peace as the absence of violence (Aron 1973, 21; Bull 2012, 18; Clausewitz 1976, 75; Waltz 1959, 1; 1979, 343). However, a glance at the philology of the word “peace” reveals a more complex relationship with violence. The Latin words for peace (pax, pacis, paco) trace their roots to the verb for a pact (pacisci), “which ended a war and led to submission, friendship, or alliance.” As Rome transitioned from republic to empire, pax changed its meaning from a pact among equals to submission to Rome, and “pacare began to refer to conquest” (Weinstock 1960, 45).1 Steven Pinker, who was rightly poo poo on a week or two ago now, benefits a lot from using such a definition of peace. Everything is more peaceful now because everything is more pacified now. This seems to be how a lot of folks see the world and it's kinda funny this is another legacy of Rome.
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We're definitely making some deserts.
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Halloween Jack posted:We're definitely making some deserts. Only just.
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MeatRocket8 posted:Movies never show barbarians with moustaches. Probably because it would look too modern. But moustaches were definitely popular among them. Are there any sources about the type of mustaches favoured by the barbarians? Were they about size or is there an embarassing (in hind sight) couple of centuries where transalpine Gaul was a sea of toothbrush mustaches? Halloween Jack posted:Why shouldn't the Visigoths look like Hawkwind? Lol
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Halloween Jack posted:We're definitely making some deserts. Speak for yourself, I'm making chicken.
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Elissimpark posted:Are there any sources about the type of mustaches favoured by the barbarians? Were they about size or is there an embarassing (in hind sight) couple of centuries where transalpine Gaul was a sea of toothbrush mustaches? Unless they were using gas masks in ancient Verdun I doubt they'd need the toothbrush.
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Elissimpark posted:Are there any sources about the type of mustaches favoured by the barbarians? Were they about size or is there an embarassing (in hind sight) couple of centuries where transalpine Gaul was a sea of toothbrush mustaches? https://hermitsdoor.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/img_2588.jpg
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I was just about to bring up Asterix, which makes a point of contrasting the Gauls' preferred cultural dress with the Romans, among others. It's even something the Romans themselves pointed out iirc; that statue of Vercingetorix (I cannot believe I actually spelled that right the first time while flat out guessing) having a mustache that's almost unheard of otherwise on Roman sculpture, but presumably it'd be ridiculous to sculpt a famous Gaul without it. Also kinda funny since it comes the other way around; clean-shaven, neatly cut Romans contrast with the long-haired, bearded barbarians (and yet you can also see both of them having all kinds of levels of vanity, style and preferences even within those stereotypes). Vikings are probably the usual mainstream exceptions there.
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Moustaches are one thing, but didn't they also put chalk in their hair and spike it up?
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Not chalk but they'd bleach their hair with lime.
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Kassad posted:Not chalk but they'd bleach their hair with lime. Some tribes are known as 'limeys' to this day.
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Elissimpark posted:Are there any sources about the type of mustaches favoured by the barbarians? Were they about size or is there an embarassing (in hind sight) couple of centuries where transalpine Gaul was a sea of toothbrush mustaches? Don’t think i’ve read any ancient roman historians give specifics, just passing references. But here’s some ancient rear end staches: The Dying Gaul of course  The Ludovisi Battle Sarcophagus  Barbarian chieftain mosaic in the great palace  Coin of Odoacer: 
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's even something the Romans themselves pointed out iirc; that statue of Vercingetorix 
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MeatRocket8 posted:Don’t think i’ve read any ancient roman historians give specifics, just passing references. It's starting to feel a bit less Hawkwind and a bit more Let It Be era Beatles.
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It’s important to note most of those are trimmed off the lip. Seems rather modern hip.
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I get it. There's some luscious Cupid's-bow kissers on those dudes and I'd be loathe to cover that up
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Lol, but you mixed up Paul and Ringo.
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sullat posted:Unless they were using gas masks in ancient Verdun I doubt they'd need the toothbrush. I'm not sure that's it because WW1 Hitler had one hell of a soup strainer.
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Imagine if Hitler had a soul patch.
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When did we start naming ships
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zoux posted:When did we start naming ships Probably the day after we started building them.
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zoux posted:When did we start naming ships I blame the argonauts.
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What kind of things were Phoenician snail traders calling their vessels?
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zoux posted:When did we start naming ships Around the 90's. It started with x-files fans. Oh wait this isn't the romance history thread
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zoux posted:What kind of things were Phoenician snail traders calling their vessels? "Move, you Worthless Pile of poo poo!"
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Tunicate posted:Around the 90's. It started with x-files fans. Also you're factually wrong, it started in the 60s
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'slash' itself was originally a name for a ship, spock slash kirk
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zoux posted:What kind of things were Phoenician snail traders calling their vessels? Probably the same types of things people named their ships today just like people named their pet dogs similar things back then compared to now.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Probably the same types of things people named their ships today just like people named their pet dogs similar things back then compared to now. So, mostly puns
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We know the names of at least two Athenian triremes, which were used as official messenger ships and are therefore well represented in the literary record. One was called Paralus, named after a son of Poseidon, and the other was called Salaminia, probably named after the Battle of Salamis. I think that other triremes were also named, but their names don't come up very often in the sources.
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It would make sense for boats to have names, especially big, important ones like triremes. Ships take a lot of effort to build and maintain, and that effort is usually toward a specific intentional purpose. That's the kind of endeavor that always seems to make humans want to go "we should name this thing, this great complex endeavor we're doing."
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Orbs posted:It would make sense for boats to have names, especially big, important ones like triremes. Ships take a lot of effort to build and maintain, and that effort is usually toward a specific intentional purpose. That's the kind of endeavor that always seems to make humans want to go "we should name this thing, this great complex endeavor we're doing." Yeah names for objects go way back. The Sumerian king Gudea is known for commissioning a bunch of inscribed statues of himself, and they generally have specific names. One of them (Statue D) was named "The king whose immense power no foreign country can withstand."
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I see my stele is raising a lot of questions answered by my stele
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bob dobbs is dead posted:'slash' itself was originally a name for a ship, spock slash kirk Yeah but they didnt call it a 'ship' or 'shipping'
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Orbs posted:"we should name this thing, this great complex endeavor we're doing." "This... This enterprise."
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Were ancient ships named?quote:Possibly the earliest evidence of an individual ship name is the vessel Praise of the Two Lands, a large Egyptian vessel made of cedar wood, built ca. 2680 B.C.
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