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Chamale: Jul 11, 2010; I'm helping!

Tankbuster posted:

that book is dumb because it thinks that zombies would win against artillery because it can't do headshots.

Characters point out repeatedly that the zombies are impossibly tough, as if there's some kind of magic allowing them to keep fighting despite enormous injuries and years without food or air. Then the US military gets its rear end kicked because they figure "The zombies can't defeat us, we have artillery!"

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crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

hey mom its 420 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8dF1XVhTvc
Is this true? I can't find any other sources. waking up to see AA having hit port eliat and US destryroyers was sweet. but I can't find any other sources to corroborate this (yes I know this word)

idk but he does read German, French and iirc Arabic so maybe.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 08:46

Keeper Garrett: May 4, 2006; Running messages and picking pockets since 1998.

Bald Stalin posted:

Then why did Winston Churchill proclaim in his speech that the Nazis had surrendered to 'The Allies and the Russians' ??

They were allied, but not members of "The Allies".

I wonder if there is an official answer for this.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 08:56

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Israel has expanded their hospital bombing campaign to a new country.

https://twitter.com/SaraahHaj/status/1772773076159086832

# ? Mar 27, 2024 09:09

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Chamale posted:

Characters point out repeatedly that the zombies are impossibly tough, as if there's some kind of magic allowing them to keep fighting despite enormous injuries and years without food or air. Then the US military gets its rear end kicked because they figure "The zombies can't defeat us, we have artillery!"

>my realistic zombie series where zombies are immune to shockwaves but get dropped via headshots.
max landises come in many forms.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 09:10

evilmiera: Dec 14, 2009; Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

CheetoVonTito posted:

In my trash opinion. Afghanistan and Yemen are the only countries that aren’t slaves to America.
But while this sounds nice, logistically speaking, this sounds maybe doable.

Iran> Iraq>Syria>Southern Lebanon. They can tag team with Hezzbollah.

Getting to Gaza, now that’s gonna be a b****
https://x.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1772564400345346113?s=46

Given Iran and Afghanistan had a border clash less than a year ago I'm gonna say it's dubious. Small detachments could maybe make the trip by other means than direct travel though.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 09:24

PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

CheetoVonTito posted:

In my trash opinion. Afghanistan and Yemen are the only countries that aren�t slaves to America.
But while this sounds nice, logistically speaking, this sounds maybe doable.

Iran> Iraq>Syria>Southern Lebanon. They can tag team with Hezzbollah.

Getting to Gaza, now that�s gonna be a b****
https://x.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1772564400345346113?s=46

I heard that there were some taliban members involved in 10/7

https://twitter.com/Valle_Riccardo_/status/1770356804817395767

PawParole has issued a correction as of 09:31 on Mar 27, 2024

# ? Mar 27, 2024 09:25

CheetoVonTito: Nov 11, 2023; by Fluffdaddy
(and can't post for 3 days!)

This kid is still smiling while starving and using his money to buy/ feed the hungry cats.

This hit me right in the feelers.

https://x.com/middleeasteye/status/1772885012431671801?s=46

Also this goes hard�god bless Yemen
https://x.com/aldanmarki/status/1772666782911774741?s=46

CheetoVonTito has issued a correction as of 09:45 on Mar 27, 2024

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Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Yemen big on watering the tree of liberty.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 10:22

Bohemian Nights: Jul 14, 2006; When I wake up,
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I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today; Clapping Larry

CheetoVonTito posted:

This kid is still smiling while starving and using his money to buy/ feed the hungry cats.

This hit me right in the feelers.

https://x.com/middleeasteye/status/1772885012431671801?s=46

They are the best of humanity

# ? Mar 27, 2024 10:34

Orbs: Apr 1, 2009; ~Liberation~

Chamale posted:

Characters point out repeatedly that the zombies are impossibly tough, as if there's some kind of magic allowing them to keep fighting despite enormous injuries and years without food or air. Then the US military gets its rear end kicked because they figure "The zombies can't defeat us, we have artillery!"

Zombies like in zombie media could never exist or be any kind of threat except through magic, so I'm completely okay with them having arbitrary mystical rules. Trying to give zombies a purely scientific explanation is imo the biggest misstep of more recent zombie stories. A little science is good for flavor, but the idea that a bacteria or virus or whatever makes dead people immune to being stopped except by a bullet or sword to the head, and also makes them want to do nothing but eat brains, is much sillier.

Also, holy death to the empire.

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crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

stfu about zombies thank U

# ? Mar 27, 2024 10:50

CheetoVonTito: Nov 11, 2023; by Fluffdaddy
(and can't post for 3 days!)

Also in other news�uhhh the folks from the north are most definitely not going back home anytime soon�Courtesy of Hezbollah

https://x.com/aryjeay/status/1772925689181745304?s=46

# ? Mar 27, 2024 11:02

Orbs: Apr 1, 2009; ~Liberation~

crepeface posted:

stfu about zombies thank U

No thank U

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

# ? Mar 27, 2024 11:16

Autisanal Cheese: Nov 29, 2010

https://x.com/MouinRabbani/status/1772847222071107904?s=20

Mouin Rabbani, Finkelstein's partner in the Destiny debate, takes a turn himself at laying the boot in on Steven Bonnell (stage name "Destiny").

Long thread but interesting nonetheless.

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Jakabite: Jul 31, 2010

can�t see it unless for some reason you still have an account on the Nazi paedo site

# ? Mar 27, 2024 11:27

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Jakabite posted:

can�t see it unless for some reason you still have an account on the Nazi paedo site

https://nitter.poast.org
that one still lives for some reason

# ? Mar 27, 2024 11:28

Soapy_Bumslap: Jun 19, 2013; We're gonna need a bigger chode; Grimey Drawer

Tankbuster posted:

that book is dumb because it thinks that zombies would win against artillery because it can't do headshots.

Book is also dumb because I'm pretty sure Max would happily label himself an anticommunist

"I TRIED TO SAVE THESE POOR STUPID PEASANTS FROM HAVING THEIR ORGANS HARVESTED BY THE GOVERNMENT, BUT NOW MY CONSTANTLY MONITORED PHONE HAS GONE DEAD AND THEY ARE COMING"

# ? Mar 27, 2024 11:36

Orbs: Apr 1, 2009; ~Liberation~

Jakabite posted:

can�t see it unless for some reason you still have an account on the Nazi paedo site

This is a problem on all social media, not unique to twitter.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 11:38

Autisanal Cheese: Nov 29, 2010

Jakabite posted:

can�t see it unless for some reason you still have an account on the Nazi paedo site

Mouin Rabbani posted:

THREAD: On 29 February I participated in a debate organised by Lex Fridman on Israel and Palestine, alongside Norman Finkelstein, Benny Morris, and Steven Bonnell (stage name �Destiny�).
Apart from reposting a link to the recording of the event, I�ve thus far refrained from comment.
I�ve done so on the grounds that people interested in the discussion and prepared to endure a five-hour video can watch it themselves and make up their own minds about the various issues discussed, rather than being told what to think by a participant.

Bonnell has taken a decidedly different approach. In addition to multiple hours-long podcasts broadcast before the event, he began relitigating the discussion from virtually the moment it ended.
Taking to Twitter/X and YouTube, he immediately began promoting his own version of events, including in podcasts, issued prior to the debate�s 14 March release, that were significantly longer than the debate itself.
Much of Bonnell�s commentary consisted of juvenile name-calling, insults, and distortions directed primarily at Norman Finkelstein.
Bonnell�s obsession with Finkelstein, and his fixation with convincing viewers he acquitted himself with distinction in his exchanges with Finkelstein before these were publicly available, speaks for itself.
As does his repeatedly expressed view that nothing of substance was uttered during the debate and watching it a waste of time. (Bonnell also lamented that he missed a "gang bang" to participate in the debate.)

As for my own contribution, Bonnell appeared to take particular exception to an observation of mine regarding a statement he made regarding apartheid in one of his pre-event podcasts.
During that particular podcast, Bonnell stated that he doubted either Finkelstein or I would be watching. In fact, and since I hadn�t previously heard of Bonnell,
had not previously come across anything he has published on the Middle East (he apparently hasn�t), and was entirely unacquainted with his views, I made it a point to watch.
Full disclosure: I was at the time unaware that Bonnell had in previous podcasts identified himself as �pro-genocide� with respect to Israel�s mass killings of Palestinians.
Or that among other displays of familiarity with the region he couldn�t identify Bashar Assad, thought Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is the president of Israel, and was apparently unable to locate his favorite MENA state on a map.

In any event, during the pre-debate podcast in question Bonnell was explaining to his audience how he would dispense with the finding that Israel is an apartheid state.
Purportedly basing his views on the legal definition of apartheid (�separateness�), Bonnell asserted that Jim Crow did not constitute apartheid, but that Arab states that have not extended citizenship to Palestinian refugees in their territory is a clear example of this crime.
I recounted this statement to Bonnell during the debate (at 4:45:59). Once again claiming to base himself on the legal definition of apartheid, Bonnell changed his position somewhat, this time to �I don�t know if Jim Crow would have qualified for apartheid�.
For good measure he added, �just like if Israel were to literally nuke the Gaza Strip and kill two million people, I don�t know if that would qualify for the crime of genocide�.

It remains unclear why the legal definition of apartheid leaves Bonnell clueless about the status of Jim Crow but sufficiently confident to indict Arab states.
After all, Jim Crow was a formal system of rigidly enforced segregation in the United States imposed by state authority, enforced by legislation and violence, and confirmed by the US Supreme Court.
By contrast, Arab states were at worst exercising a universally-recognized sovereign right to not extend collective citizenship to foreign refugees on their territory. Rather than clarify his position, he quickly changed the subject to Israeli civilian casualties on 7 October.
Perhaps Bonnell thinks there is a state named Arabia that is withholding citizenship from its Palestinian minority, or simply doesn�t know � or care to know - how apartheid operated in his own country.
What is certain is that he is entirely unaware that Jim Crow served as a model and inspiration for the South African white-minority regime�s racist policies, which bequeathed us the term and crime of apartheid.

In his post-debate podcasts the above exchange metamorphosed into my �playing the race card� and the like. In fact, I had merely restated his own words, verbatim, seeking an explanation for his rather unorthodox understanding and misunderstanding of what constitutes apartheid.
But the above incident was trivial compared to Bonnell�s multiple victory laps concerning the use of two Latin legal terms, �mens rea� and �dolus specialis�,
with respect to South Africa�s 29 December 2023 application to the International Court of Justice instituting proceedings against Israel under the 1948 Genocide Convention.

I�ll start by reproducing the relevant exchange:
STEVEN BONNELL (03:17:58): I don�t know if you used the phrase �dolus specialis�, that�s the intentional part of genocide-
MOUIN RABBANI: I don�t know that term.
STEVEN BONNELL: I think it�s called �dolus specialis�, it�s the most important part of genocide, which is proving it is a highly special intent to commit genocide. It�s possible that Israel could-
NORMAN FINKELSTEIN: That�s �mens rea�.
STEVEN BONNELL: Yes, I understand the state of mind, but for genocide, it�s called �dolus specialis�. It�s a highly special intent. Did you read the case?
NORMAN FINKELSTEIN: Yeah.
STEVEN BONNELL: It is a highly special intent [inaudible].
This was not the first time Bonnell that day questioned whether Finkelstein, arguably the world�s foremost forensic scholar, a voracious reader, and someone who has on multiple occasions discussed the relevant text in detail, had read the document in question.

(Regarding my own ignorance of �dolus specialis� and for that matter �mens rea�, I know neither Latin nor legalese,
and when confronted with such terms resort to a search engine to look up their translation into a language I understand, and typically consign the original to the memory hole).
Briefly, and to the best of my understanding, �mens rea� denotes criminal intent, and �dolus specialis� specific intent. �Dolus specialis� is, in other words, a subcategory of �mens rea�.
What is at issue in this specific instance is that in its application to the ICJ, South Africa references �dolus specialis� four times, but �mens rea� not once.

As far as Bonnell was concerned this means not only that it is �dolus specialis� rather than �mens rea� that is required to demonstrate the intent to commit genocide, but also that Finkelstein had not read the document in question.
For the record, the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, South Africa and Israel�s oral arguments before the ICJ on 11-12 January 2024, the Court�s Order (initial ruling) of 26 January,
and for that matter the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) mention neither Latin term, and speak only of �intent�.

Bonnell appears to have taken too many victory laps for his own good. His continued juvenile taunting of Finkelstein on 21 March elicited a response from the latter entitled �Moron Specialis�. According to Finkelstein:
�MENS REA (criminal intent, from the Latin for �guilty mind�) denotes the legal principle at stake while DOLUS SPECIALIS (criminal intent to commit genocide) denotes one application of it. Here is an example of this usage from the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda:�
Chapter and verse are duly provided by Finkelstein. Concluding his remarks he asks: �Did these distinguished judges err by referring to mens rea and not dolus specialis?
I was stating the obvious that the critical point of contention in a genocide case is proving criminal INTENT ('That�s mens rea'), and of course everyone in the room understood that the threshold under the Genocide Convention is proving criminal INTENT to commit genocide.�

Given that Finkelstein has a vested interest in the matter, I thought it would make sense to get an independent opinion, and approached an international lawyer who has participated in cases before the ICJ unrelated to Palestine for clarification.
Here is the international lawyer�s response:
�In the crime of genocide, both mens rea and dolus specialis are essential elements that must be proven to establish criminal liability. Mens rea refers to the mental state of the perpetrator when committing the acts that constitute genocide.
The perpetrator must have the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such, which can be inferred from the actions, statements, and policies of the perpetrator.
Dolus specialis is particularly relevant in proving the intentionality behind the commission of genocide. It requires demonstrating that the perpetrator had the specific intent to commit the acts that constitute the crime of genocide.
Both mens rea and dolus specialis are necessary elements to establish criminal liability for genocide. Prosecutors must demonstrate that the perpetrator had not only the general intent to commit the underlying acts,
but also possessed the specific intent to destroy a particular group, as required by the definition of genocide.�

More recently we have the following from �Anatomy of a Genocide�, the 22 March 2024 report issued by Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories Occupied Since 1967:
�[T]he crime of genocide comprises two interconnected elements:
(a) The actus reus: the commission of any one or more specific acts against a protected group [these are enumerated]
(b) The mens rea: the intent behind the commission of one or more of the above-mentioned acts that must be established, which includes two intertwined elements:
(i) a general intention to carry out the criminal acts (dolus generalis), and
(ii) a specific intention to destroy the target group as such (dolus specialis).�

In other words, dolus specialis is a subdivision of the legal threshold called mens rea, exactly as Finkelstein stated.

As they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. END

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Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Jakabite posted:

can�t see it unless for some reason you still have an account on the Nazi paedo site

You liberal, if you want to see nazism you are in the right thread. Does twitter host plenty of fascist content? Sure, Joe Biden has an account. Is it the best mainstream social media platform in this regard? I think so because Yahya Sare'e does too. Where else can I chat with Yemeni Joe Bloggs about destroying America?

# ? Mar 27, 2024 11:53

Jakabite: Jul 31, 2010

Weka posted:

You liberal, if you want to see nazism you are in the right thread. Does twitter host plenty of fascist content? Sure, Joe Biden has an account. Is it the best mainstream social media platform in this regard? I think so because Yahya Sare'e does too. Where else can I chat with Yemeni Joe Bloggs about destroying America?

Exsqueeze me

thanks to the goon who posted it anyway, that�s quite a forensic smackdown

# ? Mar 27, 2024 11:54

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

evilmiera posted:

Given Iran and Afghanistan had a border clash less than a year ago I'm gonna say it's dubious. Small detachments could maybe make the trip by other means than direct travel though.

They have some differences but have demonstrated they will work together anyway. Iran supplied the Talibqn with weapons while they were fighting the Americans

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:03

Chillgamesh: Jul 29, 2014

CheetoVonTito posted:

Also this goes hard�god bless Yemen
https://x.com/aldanmarki/status/1772666782911774741?s=46

Dude at 26 seconds seems to be throwing an ork stikkbomb, what the hell is that grenade lol

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:13

Rubellavator: Aug 16, 2007

Chillgamesh posted:

Dude at 26 seconds seems to be throwing an ork stikkbomb, what the hell is that grenade lol

look up german ww2 grenades

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:20

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Orbs posted:

Zombies like in zombie media could never exist or be any kind of threat except through magic, so I'm completely okay with them having arbitrary mystical rules. Trying to give zombies a purely scientific explanation is imo the biggest misstep of more recent zombie stories. A little science is good for flavor, but the idea that a bacteria or virus or whatever makes dead people immune to being stopped except by a bullet or sword to the head, and also makes them want to do nothing but eat brains, is much sillier.

Also, holy death to the empire.

only a terminal americabrained dumbass would think that they would win by quickscoping zombies instead of just obliterating them with artillery.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:24

double nine: Aug 8, 2013

CheetoVonTito posted:

This kid is still smiling while starving and using his money to buy/ feed the hungry cats.

This hit me right in the feelers.

https://x.com/middleeasteye/status/1772885012431671801?s=46

Also this goes hard�god bless Yemen
https://x.com/aldanmarki/status/1772666782911774741?s=46

they are saints

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:30

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

CheetoVonTito posted:

Also in other news�uhhh the folks from the north are most definitely not going back home anytime soon�Courtesy of Hezbollah

https://x.com/aryjeay/status/1772925689181745304?s=46

no it's ok dude let them start a war in the north so this can be every major israeli city times a thousand. go ahead.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:32

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Autisanal Cheese posted:

https://x.com/MouinRabbani/status/1772847222071107904?s=20

Mouin Rabbani, Finkelstein's partner in the Destiny debate, takes a turn himself at laying the boot in on Steven Bonnell (stage name "Destiny").

Long thread but interesting nonetheless.

This is good because Destiny's supporters were making a big show of being magnanimous by saying how "respectful" Mouin Rabbani was. Anything that causes grief to that little worm or his minions is fine by me.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:34

500excf type r: Mar 7, 2013; I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

Chillgamesh posted:

Dude at 26 seconds seems to be throwing an ork stikkbomb, what the hell is that grenade lol

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKG-3_anti-tank_grenade

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:40

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

where do you think GW got their idea for stikkbombs from lol.

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VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Autisanal Cheese posted:

https://x.com/MouinRabbani/status/1772847222071107904?s=20

Mouin Rabbani, Finkelstein's partner in the Destiny debate, takes a turn himself at laying the boot in on Steven Bonnell (stage name "Destiny").

Long thread but interesting nonetheless.

quote:

In fact, and since I hadn�t previously heard of Bonnell, had not previously come across anything he has published on the Middle East (he apparently hasn�t)

Lmao. Have only gotten through some of the thread but this is great already.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:43

Fleetwood: Mar 26, 2010; biggest hochul head in china

"moron specialis" is an amazing takedown

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:47

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/ecomarxi/status/1772723092030132458?s=20

I agree!

https://x.com/tysonbrody/status/1772950928506704295?s=20

Liberal opinion in the United States is turning after having to watch the IDF massacre starving people.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:48

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

It's legitimately absurd that Destiny was even invited to that debate. Benny Morris is a repugnant piece of poo poo but he's also an actual historian so it makes sense that he was there. It should have been Finklestein and Rabbani dragging Morris, not having to waste their time on that little pissant Destiny.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:52

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

VoicesCanBe posted:

It's legitimately absurd that Destiny was even invited to that debate. Benny Morris is a repugnant piece of poo poo but he's also an actual historian so it makes sense that he was there. It should have been Finklestein and Rabbani dragging Morris, not having to waste their time on that little pissant Destiny.

It's good that Destiny was there because that's the actual level that Zionism is operating on.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:53

keep punching joe: Jan 22, 2006; Die Satan!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/ecomarxi/status/1772723092030132458?s=20

I agree!

How is international law real. Haha bro just interpret it differently. Hahaha just disregard it completely.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:54

Kunster: Dec 24, 2006

genericnick posted:

https://nitter.poast.org
that one still lives for some reason

https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/wiki/Instances Use this as a reference afterwards, usually its updated somewhat frequently.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:57

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

keep punching joe posted:

How is international law real. Haha bro just interpret it differently. Hahaha just disregard it completely.

If you ever study international law or international relations at a college level, the United States is the supervillain of the field. Int. Law-heads still harp on the US mining of Nicaraguan harbors and how we never paid up.

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VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's good that Destiny was there because that's the actual level that Zionism is operating on.

That's fair.

# ? Mar 27, 2024 12:59

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