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Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

Wife and I watched the original Roadhouse last night. The throatrip rules. Honestly it's a pretty great movie.

yeah the action basically starts at 11 and somehow continues to escalate. the offhand comment about losing his job for ripping out a throat is a real chekov's gun moment, but it works because you don't really expect him to rip out a throat again but then he goes and does it

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Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
beserker stories ruled

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:

John Ringo (another Baen bae) also did one called Von Neumann’s War about probes simply coming to Earth to grey goo us after doing it to most of the solar system. Kinda Revelation Space-esque with the Greenfly subplot.

There’s always the opposite to all the dark forest stuff in the novels Laumer did alongside the Bolo ones, the Retief series.

Ringo wrote a series where the heroes resurrect the Waffen SS to fight environmentalists and its not even the worst thing he wrote

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Plank Walker posted:

yeah the action basically starts at 11 and somehow continues to escalate. the offhand comment about losing his job for ripping out a throat is a real chekov's gun moment, but it works because you don't really expect him to rip out a throat but then he goes and does it

Chekov's Gun has become outdated. we should probably start referring to this sort of thing as a Henry's Throatrip

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
i also like how blonde doctor ends up at "actually i can live with the PTSD of watching you rip another man's throat out and kill him, i was being kind of a bitch about it before"

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

StashAugustine posted:

Spartans were like slightly better at fighting, though largely because of their reputation and secondly because they actually had military drill (since they had nothing better to do) but they did lose a fair amount and mostly beat the Athenians because the Athenians managed to gently caress up and piss off their allies even more than the Spartans did

Spartans were badass warrior communalists in the proto-classical era when they made precious metals illegal and all major transactions had to be done in bulk iron but by the time of the Peloponnesian war they have already adopted the gold and silver standard used by the rest of the Greeks so their weird traditions became more of a hinderence than a help. They ended up as a weird Colonial Williamsburg-esque tourist trap for rich Romans to go gawk at on vacation.

I'd imagine that when they adapted the normal money economy their slavery probably went from bad to worse.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
nothing gets close to macgruber re throat rips

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

is it even possible to rip out a person's throat like that? seems like you'd really have to get in there

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013

Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:

John Ringo (another Baen bae) also did one called Von Neumann’s War about probes simply coming to Earth to grey goo us after doing it to most of the solar system. Kinda Revelation Space-esque with the Greenfly subplot.

There’s always the opposite to all the dark forest stuff in the novels Laumer did alongside the Bolo ones, the Retief series.

i liked the Ringo series where the hero finds out that maple syrup is like fent to aliens and makes a massive trading empire off of being an intergalactic drug dealer. he then creates ships out of asteroids that move around by detonating nukes, that was cool

all the incredibly misogynistic and Islamophobic poo poo was very much not cool tho

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

BONGHITZ posted:

is it even possible to rip out a person's throat like that? seems like you'd really have to get in there

grab the handle, push the button

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:

What about monster trucks ruining Ford dealerships?

I find it hilarious that Ben gazzara is the big bad since the only other movies I can remember him in are very serious cassavettes movies.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

BONGHITZ posted:

is it even possible to rip out a person's throat like that? seems like you'd really have to get in there

dm me your address

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

sonatinas posted:

I find it hilarious that Ben gazzara is the big bad since the only other movies I can remember him in are very serious cassavettes movies.

really? cant think of another goofy one he's in?

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Al! posted:

really? cant think of another goofy one he's in?

lol

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

Al! posted:

really? cant think of another goofy one he's in?

ah forgot about big Lebowski. I generally don’t rewatch movies often so sometimes forget these things.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

sonatinas posted:

ah forgot about big Lebowski. I generally don’t rewatch movies often so sometimes forget these things.

Ben Gazzara draws a lot of water in this town

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

i watched Madame Web just because i thought "theres no way that Ethan Coen already made the worst movie i'm going to see of 2024". i was wrong. gently caress you Ethan, i dont even want the bros to get back together now

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 53 minutes!
fond memories of reading Jerry pornelle's computer thoughts in Byte (translated). didn't know he was a real author until like 3 years ago.

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007

Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:

He used to post on a board I was part of, though I never came across him when he was actually online. The only books of his I ever read were the sequels to Terminator 2, which I quite enjoyed until the final book of the trilogy. Though I was also 17, so take that as you will.

If it’s https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/ you’re talking about, I know Stirling eventually got banned for being an openly genocidal Islamophobe.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

mawarannahr posted:

fond memories of reading Jerry pornelle's computer thoughts in Byte (translated). didn't know he was a real author until like 3 years ago.

*hard sf author, not a real author

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I was trying to watch this show called "68 Whiskey", which is a sort of comedy-drama about American soldiers occupying Afghanistan that came out in 2020, centered specifically on a small group of combat medics. It struck me as a sort of modern-day take on M*A*S*H* - one guy gets way too attached to a goat and has to protect the goat from a violently psychotic Australian special forces soldier (accurate!), another is trying to rig an illegal fight to serve as a front for dealing hash, and two of them are getting married just so the Latina character doesn't get deported.

I made it about two episodes before it cuts to this scene where a group of ANA soldiers walk up to the base, completely stark naked - they claim the Taliban ambushed them and took all their clothes and weapons. The newbie private that's been the butt of jokes gets handed some surgical gloves and is order to cavity search all of them to make sure they don't have any bombs inside of them and it's all played off as a laugh. I thought it was disgusting and turned it off.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:

lucifer's hammer started out as niven and pournelle's alien invasion story but they pulled back from comets as a weapon to just natural disaster and revisited the idea with footfall. it's orange county fascism where the end of the world proves that flabby suburban white dudes are the master race even if they get all the "hard" science wrong in their own stories. there was a little genre boom of meteor/space rock disaster stories in the late 70s and the hermes fall by baxter is far superior to lucifer's hammer. shiva descending by benford sucks pretty bad, being bland sf and way too long. most of SF from the time has pretty embarrassing geopolitics

lucifers hammer is an amusingly racist book. i took some screenshots of the funniest lines when i read it

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

scary ghost dog posted:

lucifers hammer is an amusingly racist book. i took some screenshots of the funniest lines when i read it



yeah lol the bad guys are a multi-racial luddite cannibal army and the good guys reinstitute slavery at the end to support their plantation/nuke plant

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
a big thing for niven/pournelle is that "equal rights" are bougie decadence that wont matter when the real poo poo hits the fan, whether it's 70s california or space in the year 3000, which again is hilarious because they're soft suburban dorks who never worked a day in their lives and wouldn't last 5 minutes without access to an a&p

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

Bro Dad posted:

nightcrawler ruined jake gyllenhaal for me. he was too good

it's so drat good

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

quit watching the tencent 3bp because it was super boring. about to start episode 3 of bodies of thrones and I'm afraid I'm making the same mistake

the china flashback scenes are very funny

Whoolighams
Jul 24, 2007
Thanks Dom Monaghan

the milk machine posted:

it's so drat good

I will never forgive Velvet Buzzsaw for sucking so hard after how much I loved Nightcrawler

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 53 minutes!

the milk machine posted:

it's so drat good

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

the milk machine posted:

it's so drat good

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

Whoolighams posted:

I will never forgive Velvet Buzzsaw for sucking so hard after how much I loved Nightcrawler

drat i never even heard of that one. is it even worth checking out or just plain that bad?

Cookie Cutter
Nov 29, 2020

Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

the milk machine posted:

drat i never even heard of that one. is it even worth checking out or just plain that bad?

it's suuuper bad. you can tell in the first 10 minutes they only had a single idea - "itd be funny if jake gyllenhaal was ongo gablogian", after that novelty wears off there's nothing left.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

the milk machine posted:

drat i never even heard of that one. is it even worth checking out or just plain that bad?

its really really poor. its a "satirical dark comedy" about the art world but its not dark enough, funny enough, or smart enough. just a failure on every level.

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys
interesting. "what if jake gyllenhaal was ongo gablogian" does make me want to watch it though.....

the plot synopsis on wikipedia, is, uh, insane

thank you all for saving some of my precious media consumption time

Whoolighams
Jul 24, 2007
Thanks Dom Monaghan

the milk machine posted:

drat i never even heard of that one. is it even worth checking out or just plain that bad?

it felt like a long even lamer Black Mirror. real letdown

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

the milk machine posted:

interesting. "what if jake gyllenhaal was ongo gablogian" does make me want to watch it though.....

the plot synopsis on wikipedia, is, uh, insane

thank you all for saving some of my precious media consumption time

better just to watch Enemy

Chucat
Apr 14, 2006

loquacius posted:

yeah it's probably based on Spartan worship a la 300 (sorry Blood Boils)

I personally don't know how based in reality the popular perception of the Spartan citizen-soldier as an unstoppable juggernaut actually was (since they did in fact manage to defeat Athens in the Peloponnesian War) but in every other society with slave soldiers the real badasses were not the people benefiting from slave labor

That was more down to Athens being completely, comically dysfunctional rather than anything to do with Sparta.

Athens was doing poo poo like sending entire forces to die on foreign adventures because they took the guy saying they'd need a billion troops as serious advice rather than a warning. Pretty much pissing off every ally they had by being massive jerks. Firing one of their best generals twice, on two separate occasions. Executing a whole bunch of their admirals because they couldn't save drowning dudes due to a storm, and then basically leaving their entire fleet on the beach, unattended (this is the thing that actually lost them the war). They also had a hugeass plague.

On the flip side it took Sparta around 20 years to deal with the problem of Athens having walls and sitting behind them whenever they got close.

Chucat has issued a correction as of 17:58 on Mar 27, 2024

Chucat
Apr 14, 2006

also if you haven't read it, the acoup guy actually wrote a really good series on how completely poo poo Sparta is (he's a complete and utter lib about other stuff but most of his ancient history stuff is sick)

Cookie Cutter
Nov 29, 2020

Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

better just to watch Enemy

or Maps to the Stars, if one craves a dark comedy industry takedown

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


OKJA and AMBULANCE are 2 other recent(ish) quality gyllenhaal performances

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

StashAugustine posted:

Ringo wrote a series where the heroes resurrect the Waffen SS to fight environmentalists and its not even the worst thing he wrote

And this is different from the Ringo books that is somewhere on the forums about a psychotic military operator?

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