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Racism, sexism, fascism, terrible fans, overpriced models, greedy executives, and constant power creep and new editions aside- What were we talking about?
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Benagain posted:The primarch of the world eaters, the angriest chaos space Marines, is named Angron because the bouncer at a pub the founders went to was called Angry Ron Angron really reads as a case of 'We decided he turned evil in advance, then we had to come up with a reason later, and so let's have one that makes his supposedly divine father look like a complete moron, especially considering what else the emperor did while going around finding his kids'. That being, Angron was leading a Spartacus esque slave gladiator revolt, he and the remains of his army were cornered, and the Emperor and his super elite army of unstoppable juggernaut supermen finally tracked him down and went "Hey I'm your father, time to join me." Angron was "gently caress you man I have never seen, I'm going to stay and die with my comrades in arms." So the Emperor left...and then just before their spaceships left, beamed Angron on board, leaving his army behind to be slaughtered, which basically made sure Angron would never be anything except, well, a very angry Ron who turned to Chaos at the first opportunity and only cared from that day on with slaughtering everything he could find. Stay with Angron and fight by his side? Take his army with him and see how many could be made into space marines? Do ANYTHING besides being an absolutely colossal rear end in a top hat, especially since when he found some of his other kids he did stuff like have drinking contests and hunting challenges? Nope. We made this guy Angry Ron to start, now we need a reason why he's so angry. At least the guy who broke everything got an extended bout of manipulation and mind fuckery. Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:iirc it began as a satirical comment on the thatcher government And the biggest, baddest Ork since the start of the series is named Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka (Margaret Thatcher). Oh, they claim it was just a nonsense name coincidence, but I doubt it. hot cocoa on the couch posted:the fact that gw stuck with it and doubled and tripled down on it instead of retconning poo poo is because their idiot fans took it too seripously I think the problem is, by the inherent nature of the fictional universe, it undermines the FASCISM BAD message, because in reality the point of attacking fascism is to remind everyone, with an anvil if necessary, that the great lie of fascism is that it is strong and orderly, when in reality fascism is cowardly, selfish, self-serving, corrupt, and greedy. Fascism does not fight for “the greater good.” It fights for the exultation of the inhuman, the commemoration of cruelty, and the hatred of the different. Fascism is a loser ideology. This is demonstrated very firmly in Starship Troopers: The Movie, as many would say. And the biggest ultimate point of these things is that if you strip away the propaganda and lies and repression and all that, that everyone in a fascist state is subservient to whoever runs the State, and that person, or group, is often not only no different than all the rabble, but often in many ways, worse, more incompetent, and all around, FAILURES. You can't really apply that to a Shaman avatar supersoul who has literal godly powers, can make armies of normal people die with a gesture or melt the average brain if you look at him when his power is unleashed, even if he's not TRYING to hurt you. Fascism is a system of losers saying they are gods. The guy in charge of the human race's efforts WAS a literal god, and he could make lesser gods that were still leagues above normal humans. Oh sure there's plenty of corruption and nonsense in the universe, especially after the Emperor ended up stuck on his toilet for thousands of years, but even THEN he's still doing godly stuff. Fascism is a method of frauds. If the people on top actually have power, of all stripes, beyond normal humans, and the universe is full of other powers like those, then we start getting into ubermensch style arguments (the actual ones, not the ones corrupted by fascism. Nietzsche's ubermensch concept was that the 'superman's' influence would be inherently positive, not negative, hence why it would be natural for people to follow them), and well, I don't blame plenty of people for missing the subtext because the power fantasy of the text-text smothered it in 'doing it wrong'. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Mar 27, 2024 07:43
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Thing is though the Emperor is literally a corpse on a throne venerated by an empire he has no actual control over which does literally everything wrong either from ignoring what he tried to teach them or following it to the letter, with the implication he is aware of it all and can barely influence anything at all with the most Herculean effort
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Mar 27, 2024 08:11
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Thing is though the Emperor is literally a corpse on a throne venerated by an empire he has no actual control over which does literally everything wrong either from ignoring what he tried to teach them or following it to the letter, with the implication he is aware of it all and can barely influence anything at all with the most Herculean effort its because he's too busy being a living flashlight so Humanity can navigate the stars
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Mar 27, 2024 08:36
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kntfkr posted:rly? second book of The Beast Arises series; Commander Tyrhone of the Undine Marineer Elites
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Mar 27, 2024 09:06
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Thing is though the Emperor is literally a corpse on a throne venerated by an empire he has no actual control over which does literally everything wrong either from ignoring what he tried to teach them or following it to the letter, with the implication he is aware of it all and can barely influence anything at all with the most Herculean effort The Emperor is an rear end in a top hat even before the heresy who commits genocide against alien races and forces all humans to bend to his will, because he has decided that humanity needs an entire galaxy to turn into habworld shitholes.
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Mar 27, 2024 14:28
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some college friends once played an Eldar 40k army vs. Fantasy Lizardmen using made up rules and it was very entertaining an entire pool table covered almost entirely with lizards shooting arrows at space elves with lasers
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Mar 27, 2024 14:36
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I like this series, it made me laugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcYrTCGKyrU
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Mar 27, 2024 14:38
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Eclipse12 posted:The Emperor is an rear end in a top hat even before the heresy who commits genocide against alien races and forces all humans to bend to his will, because he has decided that humanity needs an entire galaxy to turn into habworld shitholes. tbf have you seen the aliens humanity shares a galaxy with? Those guys are loving psychos. I'm not gonna shed a tear over the genocide of the world-devouring Xenomorphs or the S&M Juggalo Elves or the Skeleton Robots or murderous soccer hooligan Orcs or whatever
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Mar 27, 2024 15:47
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Asterite34 posted:tbf have you seen the aliens humanity shares a galaxy with? Those guys are loving psychos. I'm not gonna shed a tear over the genocide of the world-devouring Xenomorphs or the S&M Juggalo Elves or the Skeleton Robots or murderous soccer hooligan Orcs or whatever In one of the early Heresy novels they encounter a lost human civilization that is like, "even nasty monster-bugs have a right to life. We just took away their means of space travel and confined them to a single planet. And we put a bunch of warnings around so that people didn't bother them." The Astartes then fully murder that civilization and the monster planet, too.
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Mar 27, 2024 15:53
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The planet is called Murder and the aliens are gigantic mantis things that are fast as gently caress and decapitate dudes. The half turned Emperors Children find it, notice the aliens are jerks but not bad to spar with, so they spend a while committing genocide via 1v1 honour duels with bugs. It's incredibly dumb and Fulgrim was my least favourite heresy book. There's a good bit at the end though when Fulgrim thinks he's totally hosed up and hit bottom, but then Hahaha he fucks up even harder.
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Mar 27, 2024 16:22
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When I was reading that book, I just kept thinking, "aren't these tyranids"? But no, I guess not. Giant slicey bug monster gets used a lot on 40k (and other media too). I didn't mind the Fulgrim book. They did some neat stuff with Slaanesh, although supposedly-badass Ferus Manus gets clowned twice in a row like a dork. And for those of us who DIDN'T have prior knowledge of the DS massacre... Eclipse12 fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Mar 27, 2024 16:49
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Mar 27, 2024 17:14
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There’s a Warhammer store next to an Italian deli near my place. The idea of a store dedicated solely to one specific game seems odd to me, and I don’t know how long it will stay open, but so far it’s still going.
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Mar 27, 2024 18:13
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Mar 27, 2024 18:16
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Eclipse12 posted:When I was reading that book, I just kept thinking, "aren't these tyranids"? But no, I guess not. Wow spoilers
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Mar 27, 2024 18:39
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Space Robot posted:There’s a Warhammer store next to an Italian deli near my place. The company (games workshop) has a number of games. 40k and age of sigmar are the most popular, but they also have lord of the rings (unless they finally discontinued that), kill team, the various specialist games, and they've been making various introductory one off things as well
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Mar 27, 2024 18:47
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Sarsapariller posted:Racism, sexism, fascism, terrible fans, overpriced models, greedy executives, and constant power creep and new editions aside- My Little Pony
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Mar 27, 2024 19:35
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sharknado slashfic posted:Wow spoilers Not sure if you were being sincere or not, but I added tags either way. My bad. Hope I didn't ruin anything.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lknNsZgzG1g This is probably the best video in explaining the lore and 40k in general
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Mar 27, 2024 19:42
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Eclipse12 posted:Not sure if you were being sincere or not, but I added tags either way. My bad. Hope I didn't ruin anything. Lol I was just joking I've read an embarrassing amount of 40k books. It's not a bad idea though there's always new people getting into it unfortunately for them.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:48
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I think the only thing that could use a spoiler is details from The End and The Death pt. 3, if people want to talk about that one. Erebus!! 
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Mar 27, 2024 20:05
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Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:I think the only thing that could use a spoiler is details from The End and The Death pt. 3, if people want to talk about that one. Erebus!! The servitor beating the poo poo out of him with a box owned I actually laughed and said "gently caress you" out loud E:that was part 2 I guess
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Mar 27, 2024 20:13
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Asterite34 posted:tbf have you seen the aliens humanity shares a galaxy with? Those guys are loving psychos. I'm not gonna shed a tear over the genocide of the world-devouring Xenomorphs or the S&M Juggalo Elves or the Skeleton Robots or murderous soccer hooligan Orcs or whatever Everyone is the bad guy in the setting, but humanity is absolutely responsible for the terrible situation they’re in. The irony is in a recent series of books humanity has to deal with horrible aliens or risk total annihilation. A closed-minded bigot refuses to agree to the deal. It turns out he was correct, and that total annihilation was preferable to the actual plan that the aliens had.
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Mar 27, 2024 20:17
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Plucky Brit posted:There’s plenty in the Heresy series to demonstrate that the humans killed off all the less horrible alien races. All the horrible races left are the ones that were strong enough to survive. 4 more years of Biden? Edit: got em
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Mar 27, 2024 20:21
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regarding Emp's plan to conquer the entire galaxy, wasn't part of it the intent to starve out the chaos gods by controlling all psychic races? Plucky Brit posted:The irony is in a recent series of books humanity has to deal with horrible aliens or risk total annihilation. A closed-minded bigot refuses to agree to the deal. It turns out he was correct, and that total annihilation was preferable to the actual plan that the aliens had. Vaults of Terra books? sharknado slashfic posted:The servitor beating the poo poo out of him with a box owned I actually laughed and said "gently caress you" out loud I liked Erda's clowning on him in part 1.
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sharknado slashfic posted:Lol I was just joking I've read an embarrassing amount of 40k books. It's not a bad idea though there's always new people getting into it unfortunately for them. Okay, cool. I don't wanna be that rear end in a top hat. Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:regarding Emp's plan to conquer the entire galaxy, wasn't part of it the intent to starve out the chaos gods by controlling all psychic races? I have no evidence, but this feels revisionist. And it doesn't explain all the other slaughter. I'm actually reading the Magnus book right now and part of their mentality is that psychic presence WILL happen so it's better to intentionally bolster it in humanity so it can be used safely. Of course, that's just Magnus' view. Spoiler related question re: Garviel Lokken Just a "yes" or "no", but do we ever see him again after Istvan? The last book I read he was on planet but had survived(?) the virus, fire, and traitor legions. Eclipse12 fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Eclipse12 posted:I have no evidence, but this feels revisionist. And it doesn't explain all the other slaughter. Yes
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The Gaunts Ghost books are pretty good.
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Mar 27, 2024 21:24
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Vampire Panties posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lknNsZgzG1g Thought the first half was funny, then it got weird, then it got... "Want a show that doesn't hate your male power fantasies, but embraces them?" 
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Mar 27, 2024 21:32
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That and all the hard 'r's made me regret watching it.
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Mar 27, 2024 21:34
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Punkinhead posted:Thought the first half was funny, then it got weird, then it got... I stopped watching it about four minutes in. Guess I'm not missing anything. Sly Marbo: 'He is utterly silent and acknowledges orders with but a slight nod before vanishing once more to find the enemy' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMNWAJiz5Y
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Punkinhead posted:Thought the first half was funny, then it got weird, then it got... How is it 17 minutes long, good lord
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Mar 27, 2024 21:51
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tyranids did nothing wrong
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GolfHole posted:tyranids did nothing wrong Their only crime is having a big appetite.
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Mar 27, 2024 21:58
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I said come in! posted:Their only crime is having a big appetite. Tyranids eating the Emperor right off the Golden Throne would be the objectively funniest outcome for the 40k universe.
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Genestealer cults prove that the nids are in fact enormous and utter dicks like the rest.
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