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Lockback posted:A lot of the old midrange shots that went away were boring basketball anyway. You weren't watching the NBA for the one Ben Wallace 12 foot banker he was allowed per game?
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Panzeh posted:You weren't watching the NBA for the one Ben Wallace 12 foot banker he was allowed per game? According to the stats a lot of those are still around! The Wolves let Rudy fling it at the basket from the top of the key every now and then. It gets your heart going.
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as someone who watches Joel Embiid regularly i often get confused when people bemoan the death of the midrange because i'm here like "i see it every game*?" *well, every game he plays at least
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I exclusively shoot baseline jumpers when I play this thread is bumming me out
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I think of passing out to Horace Grant and him clacking a 20 footer when I think of long twos
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Mar 29, 2024 17:10
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Metapod posted:I like seeing the ball go in at high rate instead of a technical good rate eyballing seasons from the 90s to now, teams didn't shoot a higher percentage back then. i understand what you're saying, you want to see more made baskets rather than fewer, but it just isn't the case that basketball was like that in the olden days. shooting percentages were higher in the 80s, contrary to tough guy legend, but that was because of bad defense more than shot selection imo
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Mar 29, 2024 18:46
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I love when sports are Optimized and every team plays the exact same way and the only thing that determines who wins or loses a game is who makes more threes.
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Mar 29, 2024 18:47
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What multiple ways to win the game are there at the end of the game there are realistically only two ways to score points Three if you count free throws
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R.D. Mangles posted:I love when sports are Optimized and every team plays the exact same way and the only thing that determines who wins or loses a game is who makes more threes.
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R.D. Mangles posted:I love when sports are Optimized and every team plays the exact same way and the only thing that determines who wins or loses a game is who makes more threes. looks to me like the correlation between 3pt% and winning and the correlation between fg% and winning are more or less identical. i guess what you'd really want to look at would be if fg% was less indicative of winning in the 80s and 90s but I'm going to bet it looks about the same
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do you think I'm going to look at numbers to see if what I'm complaining about is actually happening before just firing off a post?????????
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R.D. Mangles posted:do you think I'm going to look at numbers to see if what I'm complaining about is actually happening before just firing off a post????????? no and i wouldn't want you to please don't change
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R.D. Mangles posted:I love when sports are Optimized and every team plays the exact same way and the only thing that determines who wins or loses a game is who makes more threes. This was every Mavs game until the trades. Now they just dunk it down the other team’s throat. The NBA needs to do more to encourage dunks and de-emphasize threes to an extent. Dunks are better entertainment than 3s and the point is entertainment. It is time to make alley oops worth 4 points.
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Mar 29, 2024 19:10
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Same thing happened in baseball where nowadays pretty much all hits are from the same small area around home plate I really hope basketball doesn't get ruined like baseball has
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Spacebump posted:This was every Mavs game until the trades. Now they just dunk it down the other team’s throat. The NBA needs to do more to encourage dunks and de-emphasize threes to an extent. Dunks are better entertainment than 3s and the point is entertainment. It is time to make alley oops worth 4 points. And thats why Rudy Gobert is the most exciting offensive player in the league
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well it helps that baseball was never good
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Same thing happened in baseball where nowadays pretty much all hits are from the same small area around home plate isn't that just the strike zone though
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It sucks to make the old man “but FUNDAMENTALS!!” argument but baseball was better and more fun to watch when teams still played small ball instead of obsessing over launch angle and dingers or whiffs weren’t the only two outcomes.
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Bismack Billabongo posted:It sucks to make the old man “but FUNDAMENTALS!!” argument but baseball was better and more fun to watch when teams still played small ball instead of obsessing over launch angle and dingers or whiffs weren’t the only two outcomes. Never bunt, hit dingers
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Late to the Hali chat, but yeah, I think the biggest thing is that he's still not fully recovered from the injury. But I think there's also a couple other things. His shot isn't falling, and I can't say if that's because of his confidence or he can't get as much on the shot as the injury. It's a pretty bad slump but these things tend to even out eventually. The other is I think he's still learning when he needs to be more aggressive. There are times where he should take over the game and keep the ball and drive to get contact and go to the line or so he can draw more people into the paint. Again the injury might also be a part of this, but I think it's mainly something that he needs to learn. It would help if the Pacers got foul calls their way which never seems to happen, too. But like against the Lakers you could see the team struggling and Siakam basically tried to put them on his back. That's something that Hali needs to do more of, and he's show he can do it.
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Baseball turning into just strikeouts and home runs is like the purest distillation of what's boring about baseball, just a bunch of dudes standing around doing nothing
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DeimosRising posted:eyballing seasons from the 90s to now, teams didn't shoot a higher percentage back then. i understand what you're saying, you want to see more made baskets rather than fewer, but it just isn't the case that basketball was like that in the olden days. shooting percentages were higher in the 80s, contrary to tough guy legend, but that was because of bad defense more than shot selection imo They played at a lot higher pace in the 80s than today, even moreso in the 60s, they just ran a lot, until the 90s happened and everyone slowed way down and we're just recovering like that, like when the pacers showed up this season and played at the highest pace in a long long time it would be a pretty mid pace team in the 80s. 60s basketball was like grinnell but without the 3s.
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Lockback posted:And thats why Rudy Gobert is the most exciting offensive player in the league Any season’s top ten dunks highlight video is better than the same season’s top ten 3s highlight video.
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Panzeh posted:They played at a lot higher pace in the 80s than today, even moreso in the 60s, they just ran a lot, until the 90s happened and everyone slowed way down and we're just recovering like that, like when the pacers showed up this season and played at the highest pace in a long long time it would be a pretty mid pace team in the 80s. Yeah for sure but I was specially just eyeballing fg% to see if teams made a higher percentage of shots, since metapod said that’s what he wants (to see more shots go in, not shots with more value). Fg% was not higher in the 90s or 2000s but was higher in the 80s. I don’t think this is because of 3s
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Spacebump posted:Any season’s top ten dunks highlight video is better than the same season’s top ten 3s highlight video. Dunks are already more efficient than 3s. Every team tries to get as many dunks and layups as possible
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make alley oops worth 3 points if the ball was alleyed from outside the 3 point line
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DeimosRising posted:Yeah for sure but I was specially just eyeballing fg% to see if teams made a higher percentage of shots, since metapod said that’s what he wants (to see more shots go in, not shots with more value). Fg% was not higher in the 90s or 2000s but was higher in the 80s. I don’t think this is because of 3s I do not care about what occurred in the eras where players are worse I want the highly skilled players of now to play the game of basketball using all 3 levels and to stop seeing 25 ft chucks with 20 seconds on the shot clock. Watching a game where 2 teams go for 40 3s sucks just as much rear end as a game where teams are at the line all game
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Daryll Morey is a basketball terrorist and I'm glad the sixers imploded under his watch for what he has done
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I really want a Sixers-Bucks matchup so bad, the idea of the Bucks being up 3-1 in the series and blowing it is too much to bear I need it so bad
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Metapod posted:I do not care about what occurred in the eras where players are worse I want the highly skilled players of now to play the game of basketball using all 3 levels and to stop seeing 25 ft chucks with 20 seconds on the shot clock. Watching a game where 2 teams go for 40 3s sucks just as much rear end as a game where teams are at the line all game The highly skilled players of today's game do in fact use all three levels, the role players just don't take poor shots any more.
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people been talking about adding a 4 point shot from longer distance, but they should make dunks worth 4 points instead
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Panzeh posted:The highly skilled players of today's game do in fact use all three levels, the role players just don't take poor shots any more. No those poor shots are just further away
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Metapod can I interest you in a team called "the Los Angeles Lakers" they don't shoot very many three pointers.
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Metapod needs to become a Bulls fan imo. DeMar Derozan
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Bismack Billabongo posted:It sucks to make the old man “but FUNDAMENTALS!!” argument but baseball was better and more fun to watch when teams still played small ball instead of obsessing over launch angle and dingers or whiffs weren’t the only two outcomes. I'm a Twins fan. I had about all I could stand of that. When Morneau had his first 30 HR season, it was the first time a Twin had hit more than 30 in twenty years. We didn't even do it during the steroid era! Thirty isn't even that many! And let me tell you, those 90s/early-aughts offenses were NOT fun to watch work! Give me the 2019 Bomba Squad over the mid-aughts Piranhas any day. Last year's rule changes did plenty to encourage more stolen bases. There was a good amount of it last year. I don't miss baseball teams wasting outs any more than I miss basketball teams running pick-and-pop 19-footers.
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Cricket is better than baseball BUT basketball is better than handball. I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore.
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Papercut posted:Baseball turning into just strikeouts and home runs is like the purest distillation of what's boring about baseball, just a bunch of dudes standing around doing nothing Yes. Metapod posted:I do not care about what occurred in the eras where players are worse I want the highly skilled players of now to play the game of basketball using all 3 levels and to stop seeing 25 ft chucks with 20 seconds on the shot clock. Watching a game where 2 teams go for 40 3s sucks just as much rear end as a game where teams are at the line all game Yes.
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Bismack Billabongo posted:It was extremely sick. But it was not a dunk. nachos posted:Listen it may not be a dunk but it’s definitely a slam and/or jam if we made dunks worth more the refs could be on the headset with the review center earnestly having this discussion every night
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Rick posted:Metapod can I interest you in a team called "the Los Angeles Lakers" they don't shoot very many three pointers. https://twitter.com/LakersLegacyPod/status/1773424141875695797
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Bellmaker posted:I really want a Sixers-Bucks matchup so bad, the idea of the Bucks being up 3-1 in the series and blowing it is too much to bear I need it so bad
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