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Dexo posted:Yeah, I don't disagree with this, although in college I really don't mind a QB who tries to push deep, It's easier to reign a guy in than teach a guy to be more aggressive. Yea comparing Mitch to him is silly, they are nothing alike. But they are both white QBs from NC so it's an easy lazy comp
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Dexo posted:What. how the gently caress is Drake Maye Daniel Jones. They are both somewhat erratic passers with changeable mechanics, both pretty athletic though and I think Maye will bring similar scrambling skills as what we've seen from Daniel Jones, or maybe a bit more. Which isn't terrible, Jones has added a decent amount of value on the ground assuming he isn't tripping over his own feet They are almost exactly equivalent in height and weight (actually Jones is supposedly an inch taller which kind of shocked me since Maye looks like a baby giraffe out there, maybe he has longer arms). They both played at ACC schools (I think, I'm not fully aware of that kind of stuff) and on similar skill level teams. They both got a good amount of play in the draft process for QBs who didn't exactly light up the stat sheets or their opponents. They both have extremely dumb faces. I'd say that's enough similarities for a comp. There are certainly some differences (bigger arm for Maye, shorter release for Jones, more downfield aggression for Maye, etc.), every player is different from every other but I think there's plenty to remind me of each other. When I'm making a comp I'm not saying the careers will be similar in the least either. I'm not a huge Maye fan but I can certainly see the potential, as I think everyone can. Could he be a more athletic Justin Herbert (who I was completely wrong about, fair play) or will he be Zach Wilson 2.0? For me it all depends on how he's able to address his feet, his mechanics, and his processing. Sometimes you can teach those things, sometimes you can't. Dexo posted:Penix is like an athlete, but he cannot(or has never shown much of an ability) to use his athleticism functionally while doing the act of quarterbacking lol. Absolutely, I've seen this narrative go around a bit and it's pretty wild. Like do people think that if you can't really scramble for good yards or add value on designed runs in college you'll be able to do it in the NFL? That's pretty ludicrous when you think about it, it only gets more difficult at the next level. Maybe at one point he could do that, like high school or something, but he's gonna be a straight up pocket passer. Although any QB can take a scramble for some yards if the whole thing opens up and at least he can do that. Perhaps like a Ryan Tannehill type in terms of adding some very small value in occasional scrambles up the middle or on bootlegs. There's also the issue of him really not throwing well on the run, which should keep him in the pocket even more. Play fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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Like Maye when he does miss has some comically bad embarrasing misses, but generally was accurate as hell in college. I'd have to go look at the numbers but pretty sure he was more accurate than any other QB in this class to the intermediate and deep parts of the field. Iirc his statistical anomaly was that he was oddly low percentage throwing deep and intermediate right. This is where I do need to learn more to try and explain why But other than that he was accurate as poo poo at all levels but especially over the middle. Where once again he had minimal help and was in a lovely offensive system.
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a neat cape posted:The media smear campaign didn't work on Caleb so it's moved to Drake It’s this. The same thing is happening to olu fashanu right now. The people creating the hype cycle get bored of it and want somebody new to pump up (see JJ McCarthy who has enough tape of him actually throwing the ball to fit in a Gif and now people are saying he could go before Maye).
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He does have really bad Pete Campbell bitch face though. So maybe it’s that.
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Dexo posted:What? You’re arguing two different things. Nuance continues to be a lost art on some folks here OR youre arguing with someone different and quoted me by mistake because your entire point has literally nothing to do with what we’re discussing previously. So I say, ironically actually - “what?” Dexo posted:Like all these dudes are athletes on some level. We’re discussing athletic versus performance. You’re confusing the two. Yet again. Imagine someone said “oh this punter is an athlete!” And you disagreed citing stats to his punting ability. It’s two different subjects. Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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Amy Pole Her posted:You’re arguing two different things. Nuance continues to be a lost art on some folks here OR youre arguing with someone different and quoted me by mistake because your entire point has literally nothing to do with what we’re discussing previously. So I say, ironically actually - “what?” I'm not arguing anything, I don't actually think you and I disagree on anything, here. This is the post I was mostly laughing at Henchman of Santa posted:Penix is a former dual threat guy and he just ran like a 4.45 or something, so theoretically he could be used as one in the pros while Rivers was always a pylon. And then I explained why it doesn't particularly matter that Penix has 4.5 speed or whatever because he can't actually use it to quarterback. After being incredulous at calling the dude with with like a 2.7 YPC average a dual threat QB. I think you are taking my posts at slights at you when they really really are not. I was talking both performance as to my evaluation of Penix, and "athletic" traits in the same posts and trying to explain why when someone runs a 4.5 and has a good testing at a pro day actually, it doesn't actually matter unless it translates to the tape. Edit: I guess my only thing with you was thinking the argument about "athleticism" was fairly pedantic and pointless to talking about the prospect. Because "athleticism" takes so many loving forms. I even ignored the weird shot at my intelligence because of a loving mod star. Dexo fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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Penix has some scramble ability in the pocket but he rarely tucks and runs because I think he didn't have to. DeBoer always gave him a safety valve and an intermediate stick route. ACL injuries don't sap speed all the time.
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He always looks so uncomfortable when pushed off his spot, and really really tanked production wise whenever he was pressured and moved off his spot It's not that he can't move, because he can, it's that he can't be moved off his spot and still accurately throw or make plays reliably
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I think Penix throws the prettiest ball and the easiest to catch among all the QBs. Some of those back-shoulder throws to Odunze or jump balls to Polk. Sheesh
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Dexo posted:
Almost got it! You misunderstood what athletic meant in a discussion and doubled down (with the other dude who ironically had a star. Bad luck with that moniker equalizing stupidty i guess) so i made a dumb comment putting 2 and 2 together. Basically the summary of of comments (and the argument made in response to it) is you can be an athlete and not have its translate on the field. Seems like we do agree tho so I’ll leave it be, semantics aside Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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Edit: ^ whatever man god speed.A Sneaker Broker posted:I think Penix throws the prettiest ball and the easiest to catch among all the QBs. Some of those back-shoulder throws to Odunze or jump balls to Polk. Sheesh I don't disagree there. That offense loving rocks and when he's protected it's art. Dexo fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Mar 30, 2024 |
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A Sneaker Broker posted:I think Penix throws the prettiest ball and the easiest to catch among all the QBs. Some of those back-shoulder throws to Odunze or jump balls to Polk. Sheesh He’s incredible. So many of those throws in the semis were him throwing into wi does which didn’t even exist and the ball perfectly lands in the receivers hands mid stride. So spicy…
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Ornery and Hornery posted:He’s incredible. There is an area in this modern landscape where a true Pocket QB can thrive. Look no further than Kirk Cousins. That being said, Penix can move a little bit. He will have to if he wants a career. But, if a team can protect him and give him some clean pockets to work with, that passing attack will be scary.
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gently caress okay that was very real and accurate analysis of Penix imo We definitely agree overall
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Dexo posted:I guess we're all stupid then Let the Packer fan guide you in the art of scouting a QB /s I need Malik Washington on my team like I need water to live.
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Anybody with Nix ranked above Penix must be sent to HQ for reeducation
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Dexo posted:I guess we're all stupid then I think these players are FREAKS and MUTANTS.
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Borsche69 posted:I think these players are FREAKS and MUTANTS. 
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Dexo posted:I guess we're all stupid then Well now you’re just spitting truth
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Surprisingly, my comp for Drake Maye is Jordan Love. LOL. The sophomore season was excellent because he had elite talent around him and wasn't asked to carry the team on his back, but once all that talent left in Year 3, he slumped because he decided to play hero ball. Both QBs have fundamental and mechanical flaws that, if ironed out by sitting for some time, will make them very good. My comp for JJ McCarthy is a more-mobile Kirk Cousins.
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I remember when this man was espousing the talents of Jake Boller and iiirc he was a big believer in Ramsey in washington too. Surprised he's still alive tbh
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From what I'm understanding here, if we draft Penix at #13 and the league let's him wear a literal suit of armor then we'd solve our QB problem right?
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Calidus posted:You got your standard freaks then your PSU freaks Parsons, Saquon and Chop. don't forget Odafe Oweh, who has absolutely insane measurements too
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Black Sunshine posted:From what I'm understanding here, if we draft Penix at #13 and the league let's him wear a literal suit of armor then we'd solve our QB problem right? That would just make him slower in the pocket and have an even more weird throwing motion
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BlindSite posted:I remember when this man was espousing the talents of Jake Boller and iiirc he was a big believer in Ramsey in washington too. I remember him looking old as poo poo when I was in college like a decade and a half ago
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anyone need some Expert Opinion on Northwestern's draft-eligible players this year
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R.D. Mangles posted:anyone need some Expert Opinion on Northwestern's draft-eligible players this year What website is that? And, how fast is that LB?
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i have no idea, i just googled northwestern players in the draft, it's just a joke about how northwestern is not going to have anyone drafted
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A Sneaker Broker posted:What website is that? Looks like https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/, a mock draft aggregator
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Finished watching my 4th Brenden Rice game, and I think the consensus has him criminally underrated. To me his two biggest negatives are ball tracking and lack of quickness for short and intermediate routes. He's got the speed, the body control, and the saviness of a vet. Great repertoire of press beaters, doesn't quite have the hard break of some of the elite guys. His lack of suddenness is largely mitigated by his superb understanding of the position. One of my favorite things about him is how hard and well he blocks. I don't know how the son of one of the best to ever do it would ever have the audacity to have that dawg in him, and yet 
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R.D. Mangles posted:i have no idea, i just googled northwestern players in the draft, it's just a joke about how northwestern is not going to have anyone drafted Sorry for your loss(es)
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R.D. Mangles posted:anyone need some Expert Opinion on Northwestern's draft-eligible players this year Are either of them Trevor Simien levels of scab or Justin Jackson levels of awesome
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Just watched a bunch of Trey Benson tape and holy poo poo. This guy is gonna be a star running back in the NFL. Haven't seen a lot of discussion about this year's crop of RBs but I'd put Benson in the top 5 of the last 3 or 4 drafts easily. The exact size you want, amazing speed including explosive short area quickness, decent moves including a great stiff arm and good jump cuts, and basically he just makes everyone trying to tackle him look like inferior athletes/football players. Breaks an insane amount of tackles. His vision may need a little work, but all the characteristics you want in an RB are there. He should absolutely go late first round, or early second at least. This is the kind of running back who is worth drafting relatively early. You can draft him and not worry too much about the running back position for years. I'm also a big fan of Will Shipley, although he's not in that early round conversation like Benson. Maybe I'll make a big effort post about RBs in this draft, since it's probably the most fun position to evaluate of them all.
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I will always worry about Benson's health because those Oregon injuries are no joke. I loved watching him at FSU but he's not on Dalvin Cooks level as a prospect.
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Play posted:He should absolutely go late first round, or early second at least. This is the kind of running back who is worth drafting relatively early. You can draft him and not worry too much about the running back position for years. I've maintained for awhile this RB class is good actually. I don't even have Benson as RB1, I have him behind Brooks, but I still like him a lot. I'm not as high on Shipley or most of the big names in this draft like Allen and Corum. I really like Wright. I like a bunch of the late round guys especially Tyrone Tracy Jr. He's barely even played Running Back and that shows up on the film, but he's also very fun . It's a good draft if you value low mileage and young RB's. I'd really enjoy a big effort post to compare notes with and talk RB.
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Corum sucks and is the kind of back that steals carries from better backs because he's reliable
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Marshawn Lloyd is one of the most frustrating prospects I watched this year. 1st round talent who's butter smooth moves are matched only by his butter hands. Makes a lot of bad choices when he thinks his athleticism will let him do things it absolutely won't. Love a 5'8" 220 pounder with a 4.48 40 though.
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Doltos posted:Corum sucks and is the kind of back that steals carries from better backs because he's reliable The best ability is availability!
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