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I don't really get that Robin Williams opinion. He's wonderful in The Fisher King
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Oh drat Chance Perdomo died in a motorbike accident. He was pretty good in Gen V
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Failed Imagineer posted:I don't really get that Robin Williams opinion. He's wonderful in The Fisher King Yeah, I think it’s right in some cases but definitely not all cases. I think it’s more when he’s playing comedic rules
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Mar 31, 2024 12:31
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That’s not what consumerism is either. No, man. That's not what 99% of people mean when they say consumerism, and it's definitely not what people mean when they talk about Dawn of the Dead having a message about consumerism. That's a niche meaning of the word used exclusively by libertarian weirdoes. Banish it from your mind when discussing Dawn of the Dead, because it has no relevance. When people say consumerism in this context, they mean an obsession with getting stuff. The mall is a symbol of the getting of stuff because up until malls all died like 15 years ago, they were the place you went to get stuff. Most malls don't have grocery stores so it's strictly stuff you don't need to survive like food and medicine, and the way they link a bunch of stores together under one roof encourages you to visit multiple stores unnecessarily. A mall is a very simple symbol of consumerism. You need to lay off the Austrian economics, man, they're leading you down a weird alley
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Mar 31, 2024 13:59
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I hate to agree with Gripweed but he's right
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Mar 31, 2024 14:02
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Gaius Marius posted:My eyes are clear and my mind unclouded. I can now understand why Robin Williams fails as an actor. He never acts, he performs. He cannot exist inside the world of the film, there must be an implied audience with which to view his work. 
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Mar 31, 2024 14:33
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regulargonzalez posted:I hate to agree with Gripweed but he's right
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Gripweed posted:When people say consumerism in this context, they mean an obsession with getting stuff. The mall is a symbol of the getting of stuff because up until malls all died like 15 years ago, they were the place you went to get stuff. Honestly, they weren't/aren't at all. Malls were/are just a generic third space people could go take a walk without worrying about the weather and to meet up with friends. People by-and-large did not go to malls to shop. Malls were built to accommodate people so afterwards they could build stores where people hung out. You don't go to the mall to shop at Hot Topic. You shop at Hot Topic because you were already at the mall, anyways.
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Mar 31, 2024 16:35
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gruen
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I also don’t think it’s particularly weird and libertarian to point out that people are implying the capitalist system when speaking of consumerism and not just “getting stuff”. Nobody considers having a rock collection or whatever consumerism.
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I'm on the side that says it's perfectly fine to take buying stuff, buying stuff you don't need (e.g. because you're dead), focusing on consumer goods when the world is going up in flames, going to places where things are bought, and having what you buy as a part of your identity to all be consumerism regardless of what political economy term they might share they may share it with. And that it's a reach into outer space to suggest that zombies making their way back to a mall is a sign they're going back to where people would have been (as opposed to where real living people or fellow zombies are now), rather than at the very least a joke and more realistically an actual jab at our culture then. lol Bright Bart fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Mar 31, 2024 |
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Mar 31, 2024 17:48
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Schwarzwald posted:
I absolutely went to the mall as a kid to specifically shop at hot topic They had invader Zim shirts and exclusive Neca toys
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Mar 31, 2024 18:14
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I went to the mall for the arcade and little else.
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Mar 31, 2024 20:18
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I went to the mall because I couldn't loving drive yet
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Mar 31, 2024 22:26
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I go to the mall because I work there
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Mar 31, 2024 22:32
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I go to the mall to buy my weekly groceries. It's a seven minute walk and the supermarket there only place nearby that allows you to buy fresh meat by weight.
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Mar 31, 2024 22:36
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The only time I ever go to the mall is when I go to the airport, because now I have to walk thorough a loving mall just to get to my gate.
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https://youtu.be/9mJAsgIIfNM?si=FqXX0aQzg23yI4Sn
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Mar 31, 2024 22:48
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I got maybe a third of the way into Blue State. It's a romantic comedy about two Democrats who decide to move to Canada after Bush's reelection. Whoo boy, it is a rough watch. Politics back then was so insanely stupid. In the maybe thirty minutes I watched, the word "blog" is said at least 25 times. Remember Bushisms? It feels like they try to split the difference on the male lead, make him a character that is sympathetic to liberals but also has foibles conservatives could laugh at, and the end result is just the worst loving guy. He runs a blog, I don't know if I mentioned his blog. The woman lead is Anna Paquin, who I love, but I still couldn't sit through it.
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Mar 31, 2024 23:42
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Terrible comedies are the worst films. Terrible movies of every other genre usually at least have something you can laugh at, terrible comedies by definition don't. Edit: also just (re)watch True Blood if you want some Paquin.
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Are there any unintentionally so-bad-it's-good-comedies? Not in the way a terrible pun is funny but you laugh at the people who made the film thinking you'd laugh at something
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Bright Bart posted:Are there any unintentionally so-bad-it's-good-comedies? Not in the way a terrible pun is funny but you laugh at the people who made the film thinking you'd laugh at something maybe this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQKCgpHTU2g
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There is no conceivable way that qualifies as “so bad it’s good” unless it’s immediately followed by a video of the filmmaker being savagely and repeatedly kicked in the nuts
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Bright Bart posted:Are there any unintentionally so-bad-it's-good-comedies? Not in the way a terrible pun is funny but you laugh at the people who made the film thinking you'd laugh at something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8xK4hCJYaQ
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Bright Bart posted:Are there any unintentionally so-bad-it's-good-comedies? Not in the way a terrible pun is funny but you laugh at the people who made the film thinking you'd laugh at something No. I’d rather watch Dancer in the Dark three times than sit through Leonard Part 6 ever again - it’s that depressing.
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So Bad It's Good movies derive comedy from the failure of an honest effort, and if a comedy movie fails to be funny it's just not funny.
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Just submitted Gústi to TIFF. I'm not overly optimistic but I'm amused that I had to answer a lengthy questionnaire about my nationality, race, disability, sexuality, gender identity, etc. etc. Very Canadian. I understand why they do it and I agree with it largely but it was an interesting new experience to have to fill out a census form to submit a film.
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Guy A. Person posted:There is no conceivable way that qualifies as “so bad it’s good” unless it’s immediately followed by a video of the filmmaker being savagely and repeatedly kicked in the nuts I cant imagine a bad comedy thats funny despite itself unless it's so horrific you can just laugh at how awful everything is
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Bright Bart posted:Are there any unintentionally so-bad-it's-good-comedies? Not in the way a terrible pun is funny but you laugh at the people who made the film thinking you'd laugh at something Freddy Got Fingered is an intentionally so bad it’s good comedy.
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I went to the mall because it had working air conditioning in summer.
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Bright Bart posted:Are there any unintentionally so-bad-it's-good-comedies? Not in the way a terrible pun is funny but you laugh at the people who made the film thinking you'd laugh at something Something like the 1960s Casino Royale maybe. Films the whole thing is either stifled by an absurd level of overproduction and/or terrible ideas that are carried off with a mindboggling amount of resources. I feel like there are people who genuinely like it, but Spielberg's 1941 also hits this spot for me because it's just very big and technically astonishing stuff happening at an increasingly breakneck pace, but almost none of the jokes actually land to the point that this in and of itself starts being amusing. High Warlord Zog fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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So-bad-its-good comedy is a very rare and difficult thing, though I wouldn't say it's impossible. You can have mostly bad comedies that do have some legitimately good jokes in them (hence why modern Family Guy is best consumed in out of context youtube clips) but for so-bad-its-good you'd need something that's amusing in a clearly different way than intended.
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As a young man I once did a very deliberately tacky, hacky, and unfunny (but meta) standup set to some actual seasoned professionals as part of a standup competition sort of thing. One (1) of the jurors got what I was going for and laughed a lot. The other three less so. I even slicked back my hair and bought a bowtie to enhance my meta hackiness. Jokes included: "What's the deal with airplane food? It tastes bad!" "What's the deal with women going to the bathroom as a group? They should stay in the kitchen! "Why do people from Hafnarfjörður take a ladder to the grocery store?* Because they're Stupid!." *The classical punchline is "because the prices are so high!" And stereotypically people from Hafnafjörður are dumb. Basically the Icelandic version of Polish jokes. I'm from Hafnarfjörður, as is the only juror who laughed. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Gripweed posted:No, man. That's not what 99% of people mean when they say consumerism, and it's definitely not what people mean when they talk about Dawn of the Dead having a message about consumerism. That's a niche meaning of the word used exclusively by libertarian weirdoes. Banish it from your mind when discussing Dawn of the Dead, because it has no relevance. There’s no contradiction there. You’re stating the same thing in vaguer terms. Reducing consumerism to an “obsession” is depoliticizing it - similar to how racism is commonly reduced to, like, a conscious rudeness. Racism and consumerism are ideologies. Going back to the concrete example of nerds threatening Disney with boycotts because Lil’ Mermaid’s black: consumerists are obviously extremely concerned with “getting stuff”. Such consumerists are totally fixated on the ‘demand’ aspect of ‘supply and demand’, believing it empowers them. Literally, the ‘shut up and take my money’ meme. And what the prominent ideologists of consumerism do, kinda, understand (but that you miss) is the collective aspect. Consumerism is not an individual activity. The fantasy of Superman fans, for example, is that there is an overwhelmingly massive (but untapped) demand for movies depicting “My Superman”. If Warnermedia simply supplies the demanded “My Superman”, it goes, the films will instantly shatter all previous box-office records by 200%. No individual consumer has the power to give Warnermedia an extra two billion dollars for a film, but nerds can collectively promise billions of dollars to companies in exchange for imagined ‘superior’ products, uplifting the majority of those with purchasing power. This is the fundamental utopian vision of consumerism, in its various permutations (e.g. racist consumerism, like “our Superman’s not black!”). Consumerism is also defined as much by what it excludes as what it includes. Government doesn’t play much of a role in the consumerist vision, aside from maybe providing consumer protection. This is why consumerism’s not strictly libertarian - the recent odd kerfuffle over gas stoves in the US represents a conflict within consumerism, a debate over whether fancier or safer products are best for consumers. You might now be thinking “but consumerism is a bad thing, and I think consumer protections are a good thing! How can this be?” The answer is that, like multiculturalism, consumerism isn’t intrinsically bad. The flipside of “no black Superman!” is “give us a black Superman!” - which did effectively happen with Black Panther (or, for the tasteful, Hancock). And that’s fine. Of course companies should be more diverse, and cars should have seatbelts, and whatever. The problem is when this becomes the horizon of your thought, as if the end goal of society is to make companies sell an abundance of ‘high-quality’ goods to fulfill the desires of individuals in prominent consumer demographics. So, see? Consumerism is about getting lots of stuff. But it’s far from only that. The zombies attempting to eat human limbs have nothing to do with this at all. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There’s no contradiction there. You’re stating the same thing in vaguer terms. I think you have the power relationships of consumerism mixed up. Apart from a few exceptions, with a consumer society, the power rests with those selling and the appetite or demand that they create through advertising et cetera. The consumers are more passive victims of this rather than active participants who decisively and constantly influence the marketplace, and they are in thrall to the corporations - where power really sits.
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therattle posted:I think you have the power relationships of consumerism mixed up. Apart from a few exceptions, with a consumer society, the power rests with those selling and the appetite or demand that they create through advertising et cetera. The consumers are more passive victims of this rather than active participants who decisively and constantly influence the marketplace, and they are in thrall to the corporations - where power really sits. Pretty sure the point is exactly that, that the consumerists are deluded as to where the power actually lies, which is in general a pretty common theme in a lot of modern ideologies. I think SMG has gotten pretty off base but there's a whole thing that's never been stronger about how people are told they're supposed to purchase their way out of problems, 'vote with your wallet' etc.
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I don't recall being as annoyed having learned something/been reminded of something as I have after reading that post. My pre-med was in philosophy. Political, economic, of science, humanistics, aesthetics, ethics etc. etc. I appreciate using terms in the technical sense as much as the next guy. I still get confused when someone refers to the owner of a local pizza chain as 'middle class' for instance. But this ain't that. It'd have been simple enough to simply add an aside: 'DotD didn't really touch on the economic sense of consumerism, which is the power dynamic between those who control the means of production and those they rely on for buying their goods and services.' That'd have been enough and anyone who had questions could have asked them. Help me out here. Is this evidence that malls were envisioned as places to sell things or that they were originally meant as third spaces? The closest I can gather is that A) Gruen initially wanted things like schools and hospitals in them, B) He felt that the malls others developed after him were a bastardization (which is telling but of what I'm not sure he could have been angry at the lack of natural light or something).
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I sawer someone completely unironically say that the upcoming "Civil War" is (going to be) an artistic critique of the political partisanship and conflict in the US today. I'm like, dude, no. Based on the prerelease marketing it's going to be World War Z but with chuds and preppers instead of zombies.
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Annath posted:I sawer someone completely unironically say that the upcoming "Civil War" is (going to be) an artistic critique of the political partisanship and conflict in the US today. I'm just worried it will encourage people to do a civil war
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Gripweed posted:I'm just worried it will encourage people to do a civil war It's just setting up the guys from The Lighthouse having a falling out for the next phase of A24 films (The Iron Claw was set in the 80s to explain why we haven't seen the Von Erichs yet).
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