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ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

indigi posted:

the fuckin Hyundai I’m in, if you push the button shift it to drive, won't disengage the parking brake until the driver's seat belt is clicked in. so if you for instance just need to pull forward four inches so you can open the stupid lift gate, you gotta buckle up

i would simply stop in the right place the first time.

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Nichael posted:

I really liked the new season of Girls5Eva. All the 30 Rock derivatives are basically the same show but it's fine, I'll happily watch that slop.

I like it better than Kimmy Schmidt, and Fey and her husband working on Broadway has obviously given them access to some real talent. How many of the cast are Tony nominees or winners at this point?

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Tina Fey's weird white lady racism oozes out of all her shows and makes it impossible for me to watch them.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Gumball Gumption posted:

Tina Fey's weird white lady racism oozes out of all her shows and makes it impossible for me to watch them.

I'm not denying that she has :yikes: politics at times, but ultimately I think she is incredibly funny, and tends to be associated with productions that deliver on the basic premise of "be funny." I don't think her shows have aged nearly as badly as Parks & Rec, which is/was funny, but is unwatchable now because its prevailing ideology poo poo itself and died.

I've said this before, but in terms of active TV comedies that are funny while having good politics, I'd point to On Cinema. Tim gets the moment so much better than a lot of his peers... especially better than Brett Gelman.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Some Guy TT posted:

wait a minute are you saying orville redenbacher didnt invent the microwave bag who did he steal it from

Don't remember, it was some rival brand I've never heard of. Basically Orville brand was losing sales to a rival popcorn company and they realized it's because their microwave bag had a more consistent cook.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
30 rock is good

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Nichael posted:

I'm not denying that she has :yikes: politics at times, but ultimately I think she is incredibly funny, and tends to be associated with productions that deliver on the basic premise of "be funny." I don't think her shows have aged nearly as badly as Parks & Rec, which is/was funny, but is unwatchable now because its prevailing ideology poo poo itself and died.

I've said this before, but in terms of active TV comedies that are funny while having good politics, I'd point to On Cinema. Tim gets the moment so much better than a lot of his peers... especially better than Brett Gelman.

It's definitely funny but just too filled with weird poo poo for me to make it through an episode of any of her stuff. 30 Rock is so loving weird because it acts like it wants to be a criticism of a lot of different things but that mostly feels like it's so they can get away with doing it. For every joke that's a criticism it feels like there's 2 that are just "ok but that poo poo is pretty funny actually". We did a joke mocking blackface as a practice so we earned a couple blackface jokes because c'mon it's funny to see people all done up in makeup.

On Cinema is great

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

tristeham posted:

30 rock is good

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

In just a few weeks since its debut, FX’s miniseries Shōgun has thrilled its audience and become the number one streamed show in America. Based on the novel by James Clavell, Shōgun tells the story of a power struggle for control of feudal Japan when Europeans make first contact with the island. The Portuguese and Dutch bring mystery, guns, Old World religious conflict, and most nefariously, colonial ambitions to the newly discovered nation, shaking an already unstable political structure.

While the show’s palace intrigue and warring factions are sure to scratch the itch of anyone missing Game of Thrones or Succession, the historical setting offers something unique: it provides an interesting window into the process of colonization, which is rarely shown on screen. While there’s no shortage of movies and television featuring the struggle underway between colonized and colonizers (Killers of the Flower Moon, The Expanse), seldom are audiences treated to a dramatization of imperialism’s inaugural moments. As Shōgun is set in the period of first contact between Europe and Japan, it shows the colonial process play out through the eyes of the indigenous population.

In the closing scene of the second episode, John Blackthorne, an Englishman who sailed for the Dutch, tells the Japanese Lord Toranaga that the Portuguese have laid claim over all of Japan. Speaking through a translator (who, to make matters more complicated, was converted to Catholicism by Portuguese friars), Blackthorne informs his Japanese audience about the 1494 Treaty of Tordesillas, which divided the “New World” into pockets of Spanish and Portuguese hegemony. Scribbling a world map in the sand, Blackthorne explains to his Japanese audience that, in Portugal’s view, Japan belongs to them. The Japanese are rightfully aghast. “Did he really say belongs?” Lord Toranaga asks in disbelief. Blackthorne nods as dramatic music swells.

It is this moment, a population’s realization that another nation plans to conquer and control them, that is so rare in film and television. Drawn to climactic action, media tends to focus on the final battles of colonial efforts — often with little attention to historical accuracy, as in The Last Samurai or Dances With Wolves. Yet Hollywood’s preference for end-game showdowns causes filmmakers and showrunners to overlook the world-altering experiences endured by the colonized. At some point in every colonial project, whether it was the European conquest of indigenous America or the Zionist settlement of Palestine, the indigenous population has had a moment of horrified epiphany when they realize: “These people are not leaving. They think this land belongs to them, and they’re here to stay.”

The native population is subjected to this no matter what form colonialism takes. Settler colonialism, which aims to replace one population with another, requires genocide and ethnic cleansing to displace the original inhabitants. The atrocities of Wounded Knee and the ongoing assault on Gaza are well-recognized as violent products of settler colonialism. Meanwhile political colonization, in which a foreign nation establishes dominion over a sovereign state but does not seek to displace its inhabitants, may be less brutal than settler colonialism but shares its first step: the dehumanization of the indigenous people to facilitate the conquest.

While one nation could politically colonize another by defeating its army and installing a puppet ruler, as the French did by installing the Mexican puppet Emperor Maximilian, it can also be done through more precise measures, such as claiming monopoly trading rights over the colonized land. It is this version of targeted political colonization that plays out in Shōgun. Despite having trading ports and established links with Japan, the Portuguese kept the nation a secret from the rest of Europe, enabling them to extract resources and gradually strengthen their grip on the newfound nation.

While the magnitude of violence may differ between settler and political colonization, the humiliation and dehumanization of its victims remains constant. The historian Patrick Wolfe, who is credited with establishing the study of settler colonialism, famously called settler colonialism “a structure, not an event.” The same can be said of political colonization, which frequently requires the colonizer to impose a capitalist or mercantile economic system on the colonized nation, creating a dependence from which the indigenous population cannot escape. James Connolly, the leader of the Irish Easter Rising against British rule, perfectly detailed the nature of economic colonization:

If you remove the English Army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts will be in vain. England will still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs.

Whether the colonial method is coins or cannons, it relies on the suppression and dehumanization the native population. Dehumanization is the heart of colonization. Without it, the colonized would be seen as equals by the colonizers’ merchants and soldiers, hampering them from carrying out brutal atrocities or deceitful economic plunder. Had Europeans seen the Algonquin people as their equals, the colonist Peter Minuit would never have been able to trick them into selling Manhattan to the Dutch West India Company for a mere $24.

In every colonial enterprise, from Japan to Jamestown, the indigenous have had to come to terms with their colonizers’ inherent belief that their subjugation was the right and natural order of things. For the Vietnamese it likely came when they were forced to sign the Treaty of Nhâm Tuất, ceding the Mekong Delta to French imperialists. For indigenous Americans, it was reinforced each time the US government broke a treaty and pushed tribes further into the frontier. It is a harrowing thought to learn that a strange but hospitable newcomer, whether they are a Spanish warrior or a Portuguese friar, sees you not as a person, but a resource — something to be manipulated so that value can be extracted and sent to the “real” people back in the homeland.

As Shōgun masterfully shows, the central struggle between colonized and colonizer is not over trivial matters, such as which flag will fly over the ruling palace or what to name a shared region. Rather, their conflict rests on whether or not the colonized are beneath the colonizers — indeed, whether the former have a right to human dignity and self-determination at all. As Shōgun, and the harrowing images coming out of Gaza show, the colonizers try to dehumanize their victims to the point they can comfortably tell themselves the colonized are unworthy of humanity. It is the responsibility of decent people to reject this premise entirely.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


tristeham posted:

30 rock is good

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Tina Fey is a freak and the best comedy people are freaks or angry.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

Mr Hootington posted:

Tina Fey is a freak and the best comedy people are freaks or angry.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Some people are put off by Tina Fey because of her strange attitudes about minorities, other people are put off by Tina Fey because she hates sex

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

dennis was a good guy

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009

one thing i cant unsee about girls5eva is how the girls are just liz and jenna split into two characters

dawn/gloria are 40 year old liz trying to balance showbiz career and family/homebody true crime liz who is bad at dating

summer/wickie are hick naive blonde mommy issues jenna and delusional narcissist diva jenna

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Fellatio del Toro posted:

one thing i cant unsee about girls5eva is how the girls are just liz and jenna split into two characters

dawn/gloria are 40 year old liz trying to balance showbiz career and family/homebody true crime liz who is bad at dating

summer/wickie are hick naive blonde mommy issues jenna and delusional narcissist diva jenna

this is every 30 rock show, and it always works because the basic jenna archetype is funny

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
staying in an old hotel and watching the syfy channel..........theres a new childs play where hes dying of old age lol

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007

Al! posted:

staying in an old hotel and watching the syfy channel..........theres a new childs play where hes dying of old age lol

The chucky tv show is the only good TV show

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

wow i never imagined goons would hate female comedians :thunkher:

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

MacheteZombie posted:

The chucky tv show is the only good TV show

this implies frasier and king of the hill aren't good; reported

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





Al! posted:

staying in an old hotel and watching the syfy channel..........theres a new childs play where hes dying of old age lol

man ifn you aint on the Chucky train yet youre missin out, tho first you gotta watch all 7 movies because theyre all in continuity

second half of the third season is in a week and a half, and Brad Dourif is gonna reprise the role of Charles Lee Ray but old as gently caress

his daughter Fiona plays prime age Charles Lee Ray and she loving whips its just uncanny

https://i.imgur.com/vznONzU.mp4

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

MacheteZombie posted:

The chucky tv show is the only good TV show

not watching Ash vs. Evil Dead: Death Penalty

im saint germain
Jan 30, 2021

i've come from the future to tell you all we have to stop party rock before it returns
Fiona Dourif was really good in Dirk Gently. That character could’ve easily been played insufferable, but she crushed it

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
the only good nepo babies are ones who can play weird little freaks (complimentary)

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

i say swears online posted:

dennis was a good guy

i'm about partway into season 2 of girls5eva and disappointed that Dean Winters hasn't been seen since early S1

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

(watching a show where all the white people go to jail for traveling without a visa and get into violent arguments about the pope with every other white person they meet) hmmm yes pretty much exactly the same as what white people do today whenever they go to a foreign country

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Some people are put off by Tina Fey because of her strange attitudes about minorities, other people are put off by Tina Fey because she hates sex

There was a late 30 Rock episode that was entirely about why Liz hates sex so it's at least self-aware (traumatic childhood experience involving teen idol posters falling on her while she was wearing roller skates?)

At any rate zoomers hate sex too so this is clearly her moment

Anyway I will check out this new 30-Rock-like thanks guys :tipshat:

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

loquacius posted:

There was a late 30 Rock episode that was entirely about why Liz hates sex so it's at least self-aware (traumatic childhood experience involving teen idol posters falling on her while she was wearing roller skates?)

At any rate zoomers hate sex too so this is clearly her moment

Anyway I will check out this new 30-Rock-like thanks guys :tipshat:

They don't hate it anymore thanks to Sydney Sweeney

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Gumball Gumption posted:

They don't hate it anymore thanks to Sydney Sweeney

Her boobs decimated the left :hmmyes:

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


im saint germain posted:

Fiona Dourif was really good in Dirk Gently. That character could’ve easily been played insufferable, but she crushed it

holistic assassin was such a great character

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

I’m finding the new G5eva season less good than the previous 2, but still good. fewer jokes per minute I think. nothing comes back from the dead onto Netflix at the same level of quality. very different genre but when Longmire came back, it went from solid network mystery slop to straight up unwatchable. And also Trying to Make a Statement? awful.

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan

MacheteZombie posted:

The chucky tv show is the only good TV show

With Ash vs Evil Dead off the air, there is only Jennifer Tilly to overact amusingly enough to keep a once-great horror franchise fading into TV watchable boringness. Go Jennifer Go!

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





Jennifer Tilly is doing important work on Chucky - unhinged, maniacal, award-worthy work

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Gumball Gumption posted:

It's definitely funny but just too filled with weird poo poo for me to make it through an episode of any of her stuff. 30 Rock is so loving weird because it acts like it wants to be a criticism of a lot of different things but that mostly feels like it's so they can get away with doing it. For every joke that's a criticism it feels like there's 2 that are just "ok but that poo poo is pretty funny actually". We did a joke mocking blackface as a practice so we earned a couple blackface jokes because c'mon it's funny to see people all done up in makeup.

On Cinema is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUFTUG_XeUc

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





https://i.imgur.com/6eRbIIF.mp4

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS
Latest season of 5eva is starting off rough because there's not enough Kev

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012


Yeah, that's the perfect clip. Really funny and also she really does just hate women so really weird!


Jennifer Tilly is the best

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
you're gonna make aig look like the Lehman brothers of microwaves

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Nichael posted:

I'm not denying that she has :yikes: politics at times, but ultimately I think she is incredibly funny, and tends to be associated with productions that deliver on the basic premise of "be funny." I don't think her shows have aged nearly as badly as Parks & Rec, which is/was funny, but is unwatchable now because its prevailing ideology poo poo itself and died.

I think I'd be more critical of Kimmy Schmidt's racial politics if I thought they were remotely coherent. I reckon it's a show that just likes being absurd rather than consistent.

DoombatINC posted:

Jennifer Tilly is doing important work on Chucky - unhinged, maniacal, award-worthy work

The prison cooking episode with Nia Vardalos is some of the highest quality slapstick ham and claret you'll get this side of Sam Raimi's 90's career.

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RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


kimmy has problems but the cut to reveal that dudes grandma is a muppet is one of the funniest things I’ve seen

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