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Nobody Interesting posted:i recommend it. Manjaro is dangerous because they mix repos, so you have a weird crossing of stuff from the real Arch repos + whatever Manjaro does. then there's the scummy poo poo they do like DDoSing the AUR by 'accident' and forgetting to renew SSL certs and telling their users to just change their computer's clock to get around it. Welp, sounds like I have my weekend plans figured out then haha
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:I was looking into putting Linux on a laptop that is slightly too old to run win 11. but all the results about running a good Linux on it was like opening a portal back to 2010 or something a possible problem there is that linux works great on that laptop now, but nobody has written about it since. try it and see. dual-GPU can be a pain still to this day though, but look at up to date information on it instead of that specific laptop.
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Nobody Interesting posted:a possible problem there is that linux works great on that laptop now, but nobody has written about it since. yeah I figure I’ll eventually actually try it on that assumption. it was just a nostalgic little throwback to my misspent youth
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:I was looking into putting Linux on a laptop that is slightly too old to run win 11. https://www.clearlinux.org/
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i put linux mint on my old 2009 macbook pro and it all worked fine without any tinkering. i use it out in the garage and it connects to bluetooth speakers and plays music and has wifi and sleep even works when i close the lid. p deece overall.Elder Postsman posted:installing steam os and uhhh update: it booted off the usb stick just fine but when i tried installing, it kept complaining about not finding a particular nvme drive. so now i'm installing nobara.
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Beeftweeter posted:clear. clear *pounds table* ClEaR CLEAR CLEAR i tried linux on an amd laptop recently, it had horribly bad battery life and it would compeltely drain overnight when shut off.
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i think linux just has horrible battery life no matter what. it might just be me but i think you should be able to get more than 4 hours of battery life out of a laptop in tyool 2024
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hbag posted:i think linux just has horrible battery life no matter what. it might just be me but i think you should be able to get more than 4 hours of battery life out of a laptop in tyool 2024 skill issue
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Captain Foo posted:skill issue
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Captain Foo posted:skill issue idk i have powertop set up to auto-tune whenever i log in and from what ive read thats about all i can really do in regards to saving battery. i guess i could also stop opening gui programs and do literally everything through the commandline but last i checked lynx wasnt a very good browser for the Modern Internet
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set the cpu governor to performance. this will allow you to get your work done faster, thus saving precious battery 
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Beeftweeter posted:incidentally you might want to try openwrt: https://github.com/jayanta525/rk3308-rock-pi-s wifi will probably work there OK, so I found jayanta525's OpenWRT images here. I flashed the squashfs one to a microSD card and OpenWRT successfully booted and ran. No sign of wifi, though. Then I found some relevant comments from 2020: quote:Yesterday I successfully started the Pi S with OpenWrt. Unfortunately no WiFi. Is WiFi possible? If so, what should I do? lol
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i have never been able to solve the battery thing, but i understand the general concept. windows does fuckery in the background to disable processes, reduce disk activity, downclock the CPU, whatever the gently caress the gently caress modules... so the concept is to replicate that in Linux but it's extremely hard to do so because not everyone is making their software to understand this kind of thing. Arch Wiki (as expected) has a good article on it - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management. even just laptop-mode-tools saved me a few hours of battery life back in the day. my method of dealing with it nowadays is twofold; i use desktops and if i ever use a laptop i plug it in  generally any time i had to use a laptop without a power source just wasn't a worthwhile laptop-using time. i'm not - as much as i'd like to be - rms
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i need to charge my company macbook like once every 2 days. its nice to carry a laptop around wherever without having to plug it in too often. and even if you plug in most of the time, if you're travelling and put your laptop in your bag for a few hours it sucks rear end to open it up and find its completely drained out i tried everything for a month to get it to not suck, tried all kindsa tools (tlp etc) and couldnt and just gave up. i really prefer kde to macos and anything at all to windows so i would like to use linux as my primary work/personal OS someday
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:linux is real bad btw. one of the primary ways it is bad is that it is the most boring option. lot of technical details, lot of Very Serious Software, lots of drab and grey design. I’m planning on using this theme, op https://store.kde.org/p/2113542/
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oh beefie already xpoasted it
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ryanrs posted:don't be rms i am contractually obliged to mention the time i ate chinese food with him
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I just switched to ubuntu server from Win10 on a thinkstation to run all of my piracy crap and its working pretty well except for some dependency bullcrap making deluge not work at all. getting to act like a 13 year old 1337 h4xor using the command line again is kinda fun too but also kind of a pain cuz i don't know all of the commands by heart yet so I've got like 15 tabs open for poo poo like mount or rm.
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OK, I found an experimental Realtek driver I can enable in the OpenWRT build system, that might get the wifi working. I can't believe this thread talked me into compiling Linux.
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Arson Daily posted:I just switched to ubuntu server from Win10 on a thinkstation to run all of my piracy crap and its working pretty well except for some dependency bullcrap making deluge not work at all. getting to act like a 13 year old 1337 h4xor using the command line again is kinda fun too but also kind of a pain cuz i don't know all of the commands by heart yet so I've got like 15 tabs open for poo poo like mount or rm. it's not what you want to hear but you'll probably want to just run debian. that dependency crap could very well be snap doing some bullshit. sorry. debian is literally just ubuntu without snap. especially so for debian sid ("unstable")
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Nobody Interesting posted:i am contractually obliged to mention the time i ate chinese food with him same except he was going to stay at my house while in uni but had a weird list of demands including no dogs lol
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:same except he was going to stay at my house while in uni but had a weird list of demands including no dogs lol how did you get to be the one to house rms
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Arson Daily posted:I just switched to ubuntu server from Win10 on a thinkstation to run all of my piracy crap and its working pretty well except for some dependency bullcrap making deluge not work at all. getting to act like a 13 year old 1337 h4xor using the command line again is kinda fun too but also kind of a pain cuz i don't know all of the commands by heart yet so I've got like 15 tabs open for poo poo like mount or rm. do you need to use the server version to run a bunch of dockers or can I use the normal version?
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Nobody Interesting posted:how did you get to be the one to house rms nobody in my class had room in their flat so they asked me
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:do you need to use the server version to run a bunch of dockers or can I use the normal version? ubuntu server is just ubuntu with a different set of default packages. you can run anything on any version of any linux. excpet ms office. FAT32 SHAMER posted:nobody in my class had room in their flat so they asked me lmao
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So like I don't use docker but keep hearing thats its best practice or whatever for running plex and *arrs and all that stuff. Why? What does it do that just running the programs without it doesn't? I literally haven't done any studying on it so sorry if this sounds dumb. also I chose server because it doesn't come with any GUI stuff which seemed better since I'm running that computer headless but idk I'm just a dummy who wanted a computer project to do
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Nobody Interesting posted:i have never been able to solve the battery thing, but i understand the general concept. windows does fuckery in the background to disable processes, reduce disk activity, downclock the CPU, whatever the gently caress the gently caress modules... so the concept is to replicate that in Linux but it's extremely hard to do so because not everyone is making their software to understand this kind of thing. the last time i used a laptop while it was plugged in it got to the point where it pretty much immediately died if you unplugged it. do laptop batteries still do that? i heard the steam deck is completely fine to use while plugged in so im assuming they dont but yknow better safe than sorry
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Arson Daily posted:So like I don't use docker but keep hearing thats its best practice or whatever for running plex and *arrs and all that stuff. Why? What does it do that just running the programs without it doesn't? I literally haven't done any studying on it so sorry if this sounds dumb. also I chose server because it doesn't come with any GUI stuff which seemed better since I'm running that computer headless but idk I'm just a dummy who wanted a computer project to do it restricts what files on the system the service can see and afaiu acts as a little VM/container thingo for uh improved security or something along those lines I asked the same question and then I wrote a docker file thingo that Just Worked™ compared to a systemd daemon and I immediately understood the value add. give it a go worst case is you nuke everything from orbit and keep doing things your way!
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Arson Daily posted:So like I don't use docker but keep hearing thats its best practice or whatever for running plex and *arrs and all that stuff. Why? What does it do that just running the programs without it doesn't? I literally haven't done any studying on it so sorry if this sounds dumb. also I chose server because it doesn't come with any GUI stuff which seemed better since I'm running that computer headless but idk I'm just a dummy who wanted a computer project to do the benefit to running it in docker is all of the dependencies are bundled together with the container image and it’s all in its own tidy little package for you. everything you need to have plex is in the container. it will be configured to launch the service when the container starts, you can define how your drives are mapped, etc. it’s also easy to upgrade — all you need to do is redeploy the container from its updated image. whether server is right for you, idk. depends how comfortable you are with a cli. using docker is fine on a cli. I run docker for plex sonarr radarr etc on fedora desktop right now. its like they say, linux: it’s all good 🤙🏼
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post hole digger posted:the benefit to running it in docker is all of the dependencies are bundled together with the container image and it’s all in its own tidy little package for you. everything you need to have plex is in the container. it will be configured to launch the service when the container starts, you can define how your drives are mapped, etc. it’s also easy to upgrade — all you need to do is redeploy the container from its updated image. i have another docker container that keeps all my other docker containers updated so i literally Dont Have To Do poo poo. i am sure this will never bite me in the rear end
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hmm might try it on the ancient dell laptop i've got and see whats what. thanks for the info drop!
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Arson Daily posted:So like I don't use docker but keep hearing thats its best practice or whatever for running plex and *arrs and all that stuff. Why? What does it do that just running the programs without it doesn't? I literally haven't done any studying on it so sorry if this sounds dumb. also I chose server because it doesn't come with any GUI stuff which seemed better since I'm running that computer headless but idk I'm just a dummy who wanted a computer project to do To go into a little more detail on it, docker is good because Containers!  But also docker is bad because Containers! (as with a lot of things, it's personal preference) Typical Linux system is like this: you have a filesystem and in that filesystem are all of your files - executables (binaries), libraries (DLLs), resources (icons and poo poo), config files, porn stash etc. In a typical Linux system all of this stuff lives harmoniously together - /usr/lib/somefuckinglibrary.so is accessible to all binaries on your system. File permissions control access to the files (maybe your web server doesn't need to read the config files from your torrent client). Containers are a way of taking that concept of the Linux filesystem and bundling it up in its own little thing. Only stuff with access to that container can access stuff in that container - so if I'm running Plex or whatever in Docker, its config files, libraries, binaries, everything are completely hidden from everything else on the system - they don't even know of its existence! What makes this good? First - you can run many applications that all rely on specific versions of somefuckinglibrary.so independently of each other, and not have to worry about keeping somefuckinglibrary.so up to date - it's handled in the container! Second, the container is portable. You can lift that container out from this system and just put it on another one. It'll be like it never moved at all. What makes this bad? Okay well a security vulnerability got discovered in somefuckinglibrary.so and you have 5 containers running the vulnerable version and the maintainers aren't updating them. Good luck trying to do that manually (you can't, not easily anyway). There's also an extra layer of complexity added because the container is - as far as the application running inside it, and all of the applications outside of it are concerned - a completely different physical loving computer. You now need a thing called a "reverse proxy" to access it in any meaningful way, and you'll actually be utilising local TCP/IP to do this. In modern scenarios it's pretty easy to just do it, but many argue it's a layer of complexity that just isn't needed. Debugging? Lol. If you're lucky, the container contains bash. In most cases it's just sh, so hopefully you don't need shell access to the application for anything!
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mila kunis posted:i tried linux on an amd laptop recently, it had horribly bad battery life and it would compeltely drain overnight when shut off. i run clear on chromebooks i flashed with coreboot. they generally get pretty excellent battery life i guess? they're both samsungs, but they're pretty different. one is a 10" 1920x1200 (16:10!) core m3 with a 64 gb emmc ssd, the other is a 11" i5 with a 256 gb nvme ssd and a 4k oled. the first one always had excellent battery life, under chromeos it got about 14 hours and under clear it gets about 12. the other one has more power hungry parts obviously, but still has a huge battery. under clear that gets about 8 hours on a charge, under chromeos i'd get maybe 10 idk if that's due to some special chromebook power management thing though. the fancy one has a custom google chip called a CR50 that apparently does all sorts of poo poo, the other one doesn't. but having had to disassemble them in order to flash a different efi firmware, i can say that both have loving massive batteries that are basically the size of the entire case either way it's not a problem for me i guess. i suppose it also might be because you were running clear on an amd platform, it's made by intel and is optimized for intel hardware (and chromebooks are basically reference designs). like i said a few posts ago, i couldn't even get it to boot on my amd laptop
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Bloody posted:lot of lignux apologists here in the linux haters thread its very sad
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post hole digger posted:what does this mean you ever heard of hiroshima?
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