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Kitty Pryde I think was one of the most successful 'youth POV characters' in comics. When she got added, she helped the X-Men book get back towards its original idea of taking in and training the youth, and she spent a long time growing and maturing with the team. I think that also led to a lot of writers in the 2000s kinda getting waifu-y about her as they got the opportunity to write stories about the character they grew up reading, but it meant that she was one of the most recurring X-Men characters ever. Jubilee had a bit more messy of a time. She was introduced at a confusing time for the X-Men when a lot of their ongoing storylines had kinda been cut off, the team was in a very uncertain place, and the book even had a tendency of jumping its perspective around so you didn't really have any guarantee that you'll find out what happens to the characters of one issue in the next. The team had no pretense of returning to their roots as a school for her sake either. She was also introduced towards the end of Chris Claremont's long run on X-Men, and it's a lot harder to read X-Men in the 90s just from the booksplitting making things more confusing. She hadn't been around long when she got put into the cartoon. Eventually she got shunted off the 'main' team and put onto the new 'kids' team Generation X (a fate that Kitty had avoided with the New Mutants). For a lot of her teen years she was sort of a replacement for Kitty, and as an adult there were less writers who liked her when they were kids, so she got bounced around a lot of weird places. It was kinda neat that time she was a vampire.
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MonsterEnvy posted:In the Ultimate Universe. 2 is a coincidence, 3 is a pattern... 
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TwoPair posted:2 is a coincidence, 3 is a pattern... Three definite Petes in the 616 and another in the 1610 so yeah it's a pattern.
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Apr 2, 2024 19:13
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just another barely disguised claremont fetish
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I am pretty sure Clairmont was pretty vocally on the side of "Kitty likes the ladies"
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X-O posted:Three definite Petes in the 616 and another in the 1610 so yeah it's a pattern. Who was the third in 616? I know Colossus and Quill
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Air Skwirl posted:Who was the third in 616? I know Colossus and Quill Pete Wisdom But yeah, the point is that Jubilee didn't have the success that Kitty did as the young POV character and they still haven't really found a role for her. So the cartoon can pretty much do whatever they want with her and it'll probably be what people think of when they think of Jubilee. Better than thinking about that time in the comics where she was standing over Skin's grave saying she wished she hosed him. Codependent Poster fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Apr 2, 2024 |
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Codependent Poster posted:Pete Wisdom Can't believe I forgot about Pete Wisdom. That run of Excalibur is pretty good as long as you believe Warren Ellis when he says he didn't know how young Kitty was supposed to be at the time.
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Apr 2, 2024 19:44
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And as we've all come to know, Warren Ellis is a very trustworthy man when it comes to women and sex, I'm sure there's nothing to read into his self-insert taking a teenager's virginity
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Air Skwirl posted:Can't believe I forgot about Pete Wisdom. That run of Excalibur is pretty good as long as you believe Warren Ellis when he says he didn't know how young Kitty was supposed to be at the time. He had her age noted somewhere in a document but unfortunately the hard drive crashed.
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Talking of Jubilee stories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxjYt6nlapQ Seem's like a bit of a marketing fail not to put this out a day early and pretend there's a new game based on the old arcade game like Shredder's Revenge. And then to actually put that game out ideally by the team that did Shredder's Revenge. Looks like Mojoworld stuff?
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Her character had been around for 16 years realtime at the point (on top of being originally introduced as a teen) and I think had even started her college degree at the time, as well as living on her own far away from her parents like an adult. Still creepy to have a self-insert do it, but not for age reasons. ImpAtom posted:I am pretty sure Clairmont was pretty vocally on the side of "Kitty likes the ladies" Nah, he wanted to pair her off with Colossus and got really angry when Secret Wars happened and Colossus fell in love with some random alien girl.
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site posted:just another barely disguised claremont fetish Plus the love interest she had right before he took over writing her in the 616 was Iceman, and well...
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BizarroAzrael posted:Seem's like a bit of a marketing fail not to put this out a day early and pretend there's a new game based on the old arcade game like Shredder's Revenge. No, I'm glad this didn't join the annual parade of brands going "wouldn't it be hilarious if we gave you something that's totally awesome? lol, anyway!" But yes, I'm totally down for a rad remake/sequel to the old 6-person X-Men arcade game.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Nah, he wanted to pair her off with Colossus and got really angry when Secret Wars happened and Colossus fell in love with some random alien girl. I do wonder if John Byrne as Claremont's artist was a factor at all in the Kitty-Colossus relationship, considering how Heather Hudson in Byrne's Alpha Flight was specifically stated to be 17 years old when she pressured the 30+ year old Mac into marrying her. EDIT: And Sue in Byrne's FF fell in love with the older Reed when she was a young girl. Suleman fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Apr 2, 2024 |
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Honestly I can believe any writer's stories about forgetting character ages. Especially on the X-Men since the younger kids don't have to do that "going to school" stuff like Spider-Man or Ms. Marvel have to do. I mean, they live in a school but let's be real, Xavier's is hardly the same thing.
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RE: Kitty Pryde in Excalibur, in real time she hadn't been in any sort of school for like a decade at least by the time she met Pete Wisdom, I can absolutely think Ellis thought she was in her early-mid twenties.
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"I thought you lived at a school." "Wait-- We do what now?"
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Air Skwirl posted:RE: Kitty Pryde in Excalibur, in real time she hadn't been in any sort of school for like a decade at least by the time she met Pete Wisdom, I can absolutely think Ellis thought she was in her early-mid twenties. Close, but there was the time Kitty was sent to a boarding school for a couple of issues in 1990 in Claremont's final story for the series. Which seemed like an excuse to draw high school girls fighting and having cheerleading contests. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Girls%27_School_from_Heck
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Edit: Nevermind, already posted
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BizarroAzrael posted:Talking of Jubilee stories: That looks so good
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Shredder's Revenge was so drat good. I'd love a modern update to the X-Men arcade game.
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Suleman posted:Close, but there was the time Kitty was sent to a boarding school for a couple of issues in 1990 in Claremont's final story for the series. Which seemed like an excuse to draw high school girls fighting and having cheerleading contests. American football was also an oddly big part of Claremont's Big Hero 6 miniseries.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Shredder's Revenge was so drat good. I'd love a modern update to the X-Men arcade game. There's a GI Joe game coming that's basically a reskin
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BizarroAzrael posted:Looks like Mojoworld stuff? I wonder if she’ll need someone outside of the game to press the reset button on the machine after she defeats Mojo.
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Better Mojo than Arcade.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Shredder's Revenge was so drat good. I'd love a modern update to the X-Men arcade game. Welcome to re-try!
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Did... did the show just imply that Jubilee and Roberto boned?
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nowadays, after i see a show's intro, I skip it on future episodes. been letting the intro run every episode for '97
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https://twitter.com/capitalspidey/status/1775878595300176198
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Oh, is that how Invincible handled the crossover episode?
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Suleman posted:I do wonder if John Byrne as Claremont's artist was a factor at all in the Kitty-Colossus relationship, considering how Heather Hudson in Byrne's Alpha Flight was specifically stated to be 17 years old when she pressured the 30+ year old Mac into marrying her. And Mattie Franklin was clearly written as interested in a (newly-widowed) Peter Parker. Wasn't there also an age gap romance in The Lost Generation, too?
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ImpAtom posted:Oh, is that how Invincible handled the crossover episode? Yeah, with vague Spider-Verse allusions too.
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Blockhouse posted:Yeah, with vague Spider-Verse allusions too. That's cute.
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ImpAtom posted:That's cute. They also do this one-panel gag directly 
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I get it's a gag, but why does Mark get on Spider-Man and Batman, but not the immortal guy named Immortal? Or the robotics guy named Robot? Or the guy named Rex with explosion powers who calls himself Rex-plode?
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Mark also used a Fortnite Sniper Rifle to bludgeon the villain.
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Mr Hootington posted:Mark also used a Fortnite Sniper Rifle to bludgeon the villain. Thank you, I knew it was a reference to something but not what.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I get it's a gag, but why does Mark get on Spider-Man and Batman, but not the immortal guy named Immortal? Or the robotics guy named Robot? Or the guy named Rex with explosion powers who calls himself Rex-plode? I mean, it's meant to be ironic to a degree because his own nom de guerre ain't exactly rocket science.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I get it's a gag, but why does Mark get on Spider-Man and Batman, but not the immortal guy named Immortal? Or the robotics guy named Robot? Or the guy named Rex with explosion powers who calls himself Rex-plode? 
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