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It's very funny that Marx was always like, 'Alright boys, I don't know what you're going to be dealing with, so anything you need to do to ratfuck the capitalists is fair game including using them extensively in order to eventually destroy them.' And liberals, knowing innately that the end goal is far more righteous than any ends they pursue, assume that Marxists must be bound by extreme strictures on their conduct in line with this righteousness and any failure to uphold those strictures necessarily will lead to the failure of achieving the righteous end. Their realpolitik is awful towards awful ends and that is why it works in their mind.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 07:27 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 12:18 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:The New York Times: What Janet Yellen Needs to Tell China's Leaders a Marxist critique of the people's republic of China? in an op-ed? contained entirely within the New York Times? ...
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 07:31 |
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if you want a real critique just read “from victory to defeat” and see how you feel about it imo
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 07:33 |
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haha i just wanted to make the dumb simpsons joke but I'll check it out thanks
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 07:40 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:The New York Times: What Janet Yellen Needs to Tell China's Leaders lmfao i pray we get more from western econs trying to do marx-jitsu
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 07:43 |
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Homeless Friend posted:lmfao i pray we get more from western econs trying to do marx-jitsu it dovetails really well with that Jan op-ed: quote:Dan Hutcheson, the vice chair of research firm TechInsights, said that the fear was that China would do for semiconductors what it did for shipping, solar cells or steel — build up excess capacity and then drive foreign competitors out of business.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 07:45 |
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I generally think that anyone who claims understanding or even tolerance of marx while rejecting lenin can be dismissed out of hand regarding anything important in the world and that article certainly makes me think I'm right to do so lol
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 07:51 |
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It's such a tired loving trick that Lenin wrote about it being old hat.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 07:57 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:The New York Times: What Janet Yellen Needs to Tell China's Leaders lmfao
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 08:06 |
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They don't teach Marx in econ schools anyway so it's very likely yellen doesn't actually know anything about Marxism
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 08:07 |
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it's basically taboo to read marx at all in polite academic society
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 08:20 |
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Richard Wolff posted:Janet Yellen, the United States' Federal Reserve's new Chair, and I were graduate economics students around the same time at Yale University. The professor who shaped the macroeconomics we learned was James Tobin. He taught us to be Keynesian economists: that is, to accept capitalism as the sole object and focus of our studies, to celebrate it as the best possible system, and to preserve it against its own serious faults. Keynesian economics teaches that to secure capitalism's blessings requires systematic government intervention in the workings of the economy.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 08:21 |
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I do hope more is done to reduce the billionaire class and that the common prosperity results in better lives for all. But lol, lmao at the USA complaining to anyone about inequality.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 08:22 |
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corona familiar posted:haha i just wanted to make the dumb simpsons joke but I'll check it out thanks i don’t really agree with her overall argument but it’s here https://foreignlanguages.press/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/N01-From-Victory-to-Defeat-5th-Printing.pdf
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 09:14 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:The New York Times: What Janet Yellen Needs to Tell China's Leaders tl;dr: china is kicking our rear end so we'd like to speak with their manager
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 09:53 |
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NYT article is dogshit and namedropped Marx and Keyne randomly, and it doesn't even touch the main reason Yellen is going to China, the US will drop interest rate 3-4 times before election, the US needs China buy *some* US bonds or at least not dump the dollar. Thing is Yellen is not in the position to give China anything China wants. She will just say I will write a loving recommendation letter for you but I can't control sanctions, Tiktok ban, EV, palestine...basically anything China wants so her trip is 80% for show. Also NYT article is dogshit. Oh yeah they have been beating the "manufacturing surplus" drum for a couple months. You know you are dosing something right when all the capitalists are whining about the same thing. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 11:14 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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Admittedly, it is looking with the swing in oil prices, at least currently, there may be a pull back on cuts but there is still plenty the US wants from China and pretty much nothing to give in return.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 11:19 |
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fart simpson posted:i don’t really agree with her overall argument but it’s here quote:Forty years later, global monopoly again is running out of places to expand. In the meantime, rich and poor countries have been flooded with “made in China” products. China’s land, river, and natural resources are exhausted and its environment thoroughly polluted from overproduction and overinvestment. Some experts say that even if it were possible, it would take much longer than forty years for the environment to recover to where it was forty years ago. The so-called “China’s miracle” or “the miracle of monopoly capital” of the past four decades cannot be repeated.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 11:24 |
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How long ago was this written? I feel like some of the theorising may be a little out of date. It's also not helped by not referring to studies/direct information to back up it's own findings.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 11:31 |
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don't really feel like China is out of resources nor are they polluted more than anywhere else. Which is to say heavily polluted but yeah. Not one bit of fresh water on earth doesn't contain microplastics and all that.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 11:35 |
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"China is dying because they don't consume as much as us" *is 400 pounds and surrounded by filthy hoarder garbage
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 11:43 |
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Josef bugman posted:How long ago was this written? I feel like some of the theorising may be a little out of date. i think it was 2019? it’s written by an old maoist dissident who left china a while ago and thinks deng betrayed maoism it’s not very long, i read it in 2020 i think and it didn’t take very long, but that was before i read much theory so looking back on it now i probably wouldn’t agree with much of it
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 11:56 |
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anyway the part of the book i do kinda like is the pushback on the idea that mao era china was totally a disaster. there’s stats and stuff in there showing that the mao era did advance necessary development too
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 12:06 |
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fart simpson posted:anyway the part of the book i do kinda like is the pushback on the idea that mao era china was totally a disaster. there’s stats and stuff in there showing that the mao era did advance necessary development too I mean more should have been done to prevent problems in the food supply and I think the "5 pests" campaign is generally considered a bad idea. But I again need to do a lot more reading on teh Mao era and a lot of the early Chinese Communist leadership/ attempts. Though I am more often concerned for individual people as well as the larger picture, because I know I am a mediocrity myself, I tend to like those among us who need a bit of help and are trying to make a better world possible.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 12:11 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:Thing is Yellen is not in the position to give China anything China wants. She will just say I will write a loving recommendation letter for you but I can't control sanctions, Tiktok ban, EV, palestine...basically anything China wants so her trip is 80% for show. if Yellen can get Mao-wrapped Chinese EVs into the US thats a lol from me
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 12:50 |
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Oneiros posted:
I just want to express how ridiculous that the elite institute of the United States don't touch Marxist economic theory , just how crazy that is. This is more ridiculous than when I found out the Washington think tank top China hands don't know anything about the Chinese language. ( Jude Blanchette, he never heard of the proverb "Kill the chicken to scare the monkey")
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 12:51 |
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even admitting that you have studied marx/marxism will get you looked at suspiciously in most academic circles. sometimes literally.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 12:53 |
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monkeys are nice and funny. Why would you want to spook them unless they are roaming through your city?
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 13:25 |
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marxist literature is considered some kind of dangerous text by most liberals at this point, like it'll damage a person or something, which is really funny considering the whole free speech posturing
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 13:34 |
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there was a huge red scare in the 1950s in America. you couldn’t “read Marx” and keep your job. yellen for example went to school like 5-10 years after that
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 13:38 |
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probably not ideal to have these ancient people running everything
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 13:39 |
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Tankbuster posted:monkeys are nice and funny. Why would you want to spook them unless they are roaming through your city? It's just an old saying of curb stomping a litter guy in front of a big guy to show him the packing order. But you can't spoil the monkeys, they will go into your house and tear up everything.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 13:50 |
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so I guess you could say a direct result of Americans hooverism and domestic post war cultural revolution is that it no longer has economists who understand anything
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 13:54 |
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Truga posted:marxist literature is considered some kind of dangerous text by most liberals at this point, like it'll damage a person or something, which is really funny considering the whole free speech posturing yep. capital is basically the necronomicon. and that's badass.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 13:56 |
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The most you'll get is like a little quip about quotas and how a factory in SOVIET RUSSIA will be commanded to make 50 tons of engines and so they make 1 50 ton engine and call it a day. Which is insane if you think about it for longer than a second. Jesus they took a factory designed to make car engines and retooled everything to create a giant mecha engine? Even in their fake little clown version it owns.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 14:17 |
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Zodium posted:yep. capital is basically the necronomicon. and that's badass. learning the forbidden truth and seeing the veiled evil of capital behind every eye and every institution and getting called crazy ftw
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 14:34 |
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fart simpson posted:anyway the part of the book i do kinda like is the pushback on the idea that mao era china was totally a disaster. there’s stats and stuff in there showing that the mao era did advance necessary development too Deng china would not have been possible without mao china. Massive improvements in education, life expectancy, health and living standards while under blockade from both the imperialist bloc and (eventually) the Soviet bloc. The cheap and technically skilled workforce that propelled dengist growth didn't come out of nowhere
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 15:36 |
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euphronius posted:there was a huge red scare in the 1950s in America. you couldn’t “read Marx” and keep your job. yellen for example went to school like 5-10 years after that at least learning Russian made you more respected as a Kremlinologist instead of less. the old adage about “the orient” being any place you can be an expert without knowing the language still holds true
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 15:42 |
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euphronius posted:there was a huge red scare in the 1950s in America. you couldn’t “read Marx” and keep your job. yellen for example went to school like 5-10 years after that quote:Paul Alexander Baran (/ˈbærən/; 25 August 1909 – 26 March 1964) was an American Marxist economist. In 1951 Baran was promoted to full professor at Stanford University and Baran was the only tenured Marxian economist in the United States until his death in 1964. Baran wrote The Political Economy of Growth in 1957 and co-authored Monopoly Capital with Paul Sweezy. quote:In 1954, New Hampshire Attorney General Louis C. Wyman subpoenaed Sweezy and made inquiries into the contents of a guest lecture at the University of New Hampshire and his political beliefs and associations, demanding to know the names of his political associates. Sweezy refused to comply, citing his First Amendment right of freedom of expression. He was cited for contempt of court and briefly imprisoned, but the US Supreme Court overturned the conviction in a landmark case for academic freedom, in Sweezy v. New Hampshire, 354 U.S. 234 (1957).[8][9] While it wasn't particularly widespread or well supported, there was some there. IIRC Wolff mentioned he knew that Yellen did read Marx and Marxian theorists.
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# ? May 25, 2024 12:18 |
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Mao China did alot to improve the basic literary rate and national health care facility coverage and building up the heavy industries in basically every sector, alot of heavy lifting to set up a solid foundation. Also setting up a proper nationwide party cadre training and career advancement system. Alot of stuff dare I say many other global south countries hasn't sorted them out in present time. You can't jump both feet into low cost manufacturing and expect to lift yourself out of poverty in 5 years.
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