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Death By The Blues posted:guess they are going to find out if the Iranian hypersonic missiles are ready. still v doubtful iran will respond with more than stepping up hezbo rocket attacks
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:How possible would it be, do you think, for the US media to run cover for Israel responding to a few ballistic missiles here and there with a nuke? "It was a technical error, the IDF says they meant to drop a regular bomb, no biggie"
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Al! posted:still v doubtful iran will respond with more than stepping up hezbo rocket attacks That's the problem, without Russia actually backing them, in a real sense. Nobody knows how deranged Israel will be, or what the threshold is for drawing the US in, so what's the bare minimum required to say "If you strike at Syria and Iran we'll gently caress you up, playtime is over" without kicking of The Big One, which they would need to really prepare for, mobilize their armies, figure out how to even get troops within striking distance of Israel etc. They have no guarantee of Turkey, Jordan, Egypt or even Iraq being in their corner, so having the entirety of the Israeli and US military forces in theatre come down on them risks incredible losses for their countries, without a guarantee of any success.
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https://twitter.com/dannydanon/status/1775591401067012360 She used to be the UK's Home Secretary under Boris, and has been trying to outfash all the other UK fascists. She's now just a lowly MP and probably eyeing up a post-Parliamentary job after she loses her job at the next election.... but even she looks genuinely terrified over what she just heard and witnessed. She normally looks like this, which was used as the official press photo for a trip to Rwanda where the 'immigrant deportation to camps and hopeful future genocide' agreement was signed 
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Biden's statements are like experiments to discover how much you can twist language to mean one thing while sounding like the other. This has always been the Liberal approach to empire and violence, depending on framing and communication strategies, but they usually get the bare minimum cooperation from their agents and the population at large usually gives up after enough platitudes. Watching the liberal mind caught between a rock and a hard place, with Israel outright bucking their attempts to clean up on one hand while the public remaining resolutely disgusted and outraged on the other, is producing some of their most tortured thinking yet.
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:That's the problem, without Russia actually backing them, in a real sense. its in every country's interest to say "we will declare full global war if we are even struck at a little bit" but it appears israel is the only country that believes this hype im reminded of an incident a couple of decades ago when china shot down a us spy plane and everyone convinced this meant war with china, but rather than "cooler heads prevailing" the idea is more or less an empty threat
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true normalization (no longer interested in diplomacy with nazis)
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HallelujahLee posted:interesting if true people saying this is, of all things, about the murder of the 7 aid workers
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Maya Fey posted:people saying this is, of all things, about the murder of the 7 aid workers that might be the cover but im guessing if it happens its a culmination of everything so far
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:How possible would it be, do you think, for the US media to run cover for Israel responding to a few ballistic missiles here and there with a nuke? very easily, the American population would love seeing a nuke go off, the more it kills the better chances Biden has of getting re-elected
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Sancho Banana posted:By "immediate ceasefire" Biden just means a temporary ceasefire plus a hostage deal rather than an end to the war, which is what he's been doing for months. Exactly. We've been down this road before. They're looking for a temporary pause.
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HallelujahLee posted:that might be the cover but im guessing if it happens its a culmination of everything so far its like most permabans on these forums
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:That's the problem, without Russia actually backing them, in a real sense. It's an enormously difficult geopolitical situation for Iran, that's for sure. The question that must be on their mind, however, is if the costs of effectively affirming Israel's international immunity to consequences will really be lesser for them, in the long term, then incurring the blowback of a retaliation against Israel. And of course, this is just the Iranian political perspective. There's a genocide going on, man.
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Al! posted:its like most permabans on these forums its time to permaban israel and the us
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As has been obvious all along, Biden's words and statements can't be trusted. So this "bold" call for an immediate ceasefire very well may be posturing for domestic PR, knowing Israel is going to ignore it.
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https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy/artc-uae-halts-diplomatic-coordination-with-israel#:~:text=The%20United%20Arab%20Emirates%20(UAE,crisis%20between%20the%20two%20countries. quote:The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has announced a suspension of diplomatic coordination with Israel in the wake of the death of seven World Central Kitchen humanitarian workers in Gaza. It's about loving time
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HallelujahLee posted:its time to permaban israel and the us everyone in the IDF must be permabanned (unironically)
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Al! posted:everyone in the IDF must be permabanned (unironically) time for paul to return
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Highly ironic that it took the killing of 7 white folks to get one of the most powerful arab states in the world to do this, not the other 35k dead palestinians.
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As a part of the Rules Based International Order they need to abide by the Arab:Caucasian exchange rate
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Sancho Banana posted:It's an enormously difficult geopolitical situation for Iran, that's for sure. The question that must be on their mind, however, is if the costs of effectively affirming Israel's international immunity to consequences will really be lesser for them, in the long term, then incurring the blowback of a retaliation against Israel. I mean, if I had a position in Cabinet, I would be paying Israel back in their own coin for Gerald Bull and Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, with interest, and that's just Canada. The fact that the Americans never thumped Israel for the USS Liberty is sickening. Israel still needs to be made to pay for the King David, etc. Like the War of Attrition from 67 to 70, really it would take cross border raids, aggressive patrolling, and active and effective air defence to restrain Israel, and Russia is a lot loving stingier and cosier with Israel than the USSR was.
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Weka posted:Bitch they are fighting and dying. I'm sorry they haven't invented the destroy Israel ray while fighting off half the region and the global hegemon, but they are in it to win it, not destroy themselves in a noble but unsuccessful attempt
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https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1775923785704890813 the one thing the establishment truly fears..
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https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1775814640443789753 https://twitter.com/AnalyticaCamil1/status/1775819389138243792 Ok 🚨panic time🚨 — the Israeli government looks like it’s about to do either one or both of the big stupids. There’s either about to be an offensive into Lebanon, or there’s going to be a push into Rafah (which’ll invariably trigger an Egyptian response). Bibi’s government is engaging in obfuscation measures to obscure which way they’re going — but either of them are apt to have cataclysmic consequences, and it looks like they’re going to ignore the Biden administration fully.
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Maximo Roboto posted:Wonder how this fits into the Pakistani-Iranian tensions from a few months back These are the dudes Iran attacked in Pakistan
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Maya Fey posted:people saying this is, of all things, about the murder of the 7 aid workers If Israel is willing to kill first worlders and intelligence assets, then nobody is safe. If they'll kill Americans then they'll sure as Hell kill Emiratis. Israel is declaring open season on humanity. How can you pretend that normalization is possible with a serial killer assassin state?
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PawParole posted:and it looks like they’re going to ignore the Biden administration fully. well yeah why wouldnt they
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This is also a possibly existential dilemma for Iranian government. The Islamic Republic's domestic support base has been rocked many times these past 15 years, and one of - if not the - biggest sources of its popular legitimacy is its role in spearheading the Axis of Resistance. There's never been a bigger moment of truth for all the work Iran has supposedly been doing for all these years than this war, and more specifically, the upcoming invasion of Rafah plus the current situation with their Syrian embassy. If Iran and Hezbollah fail to enact significant enough pressure on Israel at a historically vulnerable moment in which it's also committing the biggest crime of the 21st century - or at least, not significant enough in the eyes of their people - than the already considerable critical sections of Iranian society who might be unhappy with the government but recognize its importance in combating American interests in the middle east are gonna start asking themselves what the loving point of all this was, of all the years of building up a military apparatus and a network of allies, if it doesn't deliver at such a crucial moment and leaves the Palestinians hanging. There's really no situation in which Iran comes out of this in perfect shape. It's either attacking Israel and getting into a regional war with the US involved or doing nothing. The costs of both will be hard to take in one way or another, and I don't envy the choice Iran has to make here, but this is the reality of the situation.
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mcmagic posted:Highly ironic that it took the killing of 7 white folks to get one of the most powerful arab states in the world to do this, not the other 35k dead palestinians. Would be nice if any of these outraged world leaders could spare a word for the hundreds of tonnes of aid diverted, the entire aid organizations exiting the theatre and the increased blocking of land aid since the attack. No aid trucks in northern Gaza since deadly strike quote:The Kuwait roundabout is almost empty of people waiting for aid trucks. Since the air strike that killed seven aid workers, the very few trucks transporting aid to northern Gaza - where residents are suffering from famine - have stopped. Would also be nice if they weren't giving the genocidaires exactly what they want.
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:However, the embassy strike was on the same day as the NGO one and I haven't seen any mainstream reporting on it. https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=iran+embassy+Syria CNN Reuters AP The Guardian BBC
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PawParole posted:https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1775814640443789753 This kind of misreading kills me, because this entire thing is directed at the Biden administration.  They're doing all of the July 1914 stuff that should freak out neighbouring states: spoofing GPS, recalling leave, presumably they'll activate reservists in the next little while etc. etc. all of the things you would do if you were about to start a war, and, since Syria and Iran can't allow themselves to be caught flatfooted will provoke a response - the entire loving Middle East remembers Israel's surprise attack in 1967 (which they still refer to as defensive btw). It seems to me the Israelis are hoping that they can trigger a "war by timetable", get someone to declare war on them, and have the US come and rescue them.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If Israel is willing to kill first worlders and intelligence assets, then nobody is safe. If they'll kill Americans then they'll sure as Hell kill Emiratis. Israel is declaring open season on humanity. How can you pretend that normalization is possible with a serial killer assassin state? its this, them being white is of marginal relevance. israel outright murdered 4 aid workers and 3 security guys that may or may not have been active spooks. similar to actually assassinating a rival leader, this is a tremendous escalation in terms of scope, if not one in terms of human misery and death as obviously Gaza has been subjected to horrors for half a year now.
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There's video making the rounds now of the IDF shooting Palestinians trying to retrieve airdropped aid packages, and leaving their bodies to the dogs. Every day it's another Nazi level affront to humanity with this goddamned country.
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I just don't get how Israel assumes they can survive as a society as it stands, much less if they pick a hot war with Iran. Like even if the US intervenes, that would mean Hezbollah, Syria, various Iraqi groups and Iran letting loose, no? Plus Russia would probably love to test their AD on the newest western fighters, even if most of those countries are not in formal military friendship with them.
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Leandros posted:I just don't get how Israel assumes they can survive as a society as it stands, much less if they pick a hot war with Iran. Like even if the US intervenes, that would mean Hezbollah, Syria, various Iraqi groups and Iran letting loose, no? Plus Russia would probably love to test their AD on the newest western fighters, even if most of those countries are not in formal military friendship with them. I think the point of right-wing ideology is victory is just around the corner if we do one more war of annihilation. But you have to keep the violence going otherwise people realize there is no resolution to any of this, so that's where they're at.
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Leandros posted:I just don't get how Israel assumes they can survive as a society as it stands, much less if they pick a hot war with Iran. Like even if the US intervenes, that would mean Hezbollah, Syria, various Iraqi groups and Iran letting loose, no? Israel fights the entire Arab (and Persian) world, the US gives them unlimited material and financial aid, and the diaspora and American public love them again: it's 1967 forever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH8gtdDA5x0 Leandros posted:Plus Russia would probably love to test their AD on the newest western fighters, even if most of those countries are not in formal military friendship with them. It is my greatest disappointment, but Russia is not the USSR. DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 20:26 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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