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Yes, it's called "remembering things" Or, in European English, to memorying a things
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# ? May 25, 2024 14:52 |
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It was Esperanto all along.
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 09:25 |
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Glah posted:UK's language advantage of using English doesn't matter one bit because they'd still be performing the UK's act. I keep saying we should just say gently caress it and send DragonForce.
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 10:45 |
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https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1775154472605368812 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/denmark-axes-its-defence-chief-failure-report-weapons-system-malfunction-2024-04-03/ quote:COPENHAGEN, April 3 (Reuters) - Denmark on Wednesday fired its chief of defence Flemming Lenfter, after he had failed to report about malfunctioning weapon systems during an attack last month on a Danish frigate deployed to the Red Sea. Local defence media Olfi on Tuesday cited a confidential report by the captain as saying the frigate's radar and missile systems had failed during a drone attack by Houthi militants on March 9, putting the crew of 175 at risk. Wondering more and more if anyone outside the US has working anti-missile and anti-drone systems on their boats instead of fancy cardboard. EDIT: Google translate from the more detailed article quote:30 year old shells golden bubble fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Apr 3, 2024 |
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Well well well, looks like the Danelaw finally came back around and your navy sucks poo poo, now, too.
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# ? Apr 3, 2024 20:34 |
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At least we're finding this now and not when russia invades
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# ? Apr 3, 2024 20:41 |
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golden bubble posted:https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1775154472605368812 the EU militaries weren't expected to fight anyone except maybe terrorists in mud huts for the last 40 years, so why spend money on pointless expenses like bugfixing equipment, live fire exercises, or replacing expired ammo
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 08:32 |
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If only there was historical precedence of a long period of peace leading to the complacency that allows bad actors to cause war and for that to have devastating consequences. Now to take a huge sip of water and turn to literally any page in this history book.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 08:58 |
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I don't remember anyone on the left, including this forum, ever asking for increased military spending pre-Ukraine. So why the smug and told-you-so attitude now? Actually the only politician who's been consistent in saying this to Europeans is .
Doctor Malaver fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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There were murmurs from certain EU countries after 2008 with Georgian War about waking up, but the whole EU defense strategy was a incoherent mess with big countries not doing anything and everyone hemming and hawing between NATO and a framework of more separate EU defense, so it was nothing but talk. It really wasn't until the Crimean invasion in 2014 that things started happening in that drawing down of militaries was at least stopped: That image is about EU member states so it loses the impact of relatively bigger change from smaller countries. IIRC for example Sweden increased their budget tons between 2014 and 2022, but it wouldn't show so well in graph if Germany didn't etc. Only after 2022 with full blown invasion of Ukraine, the slope of that graph would start getting steeper. I think at the moment it's close to that 2% guideline. But really the change should have happened after 2014 at the latest and should be way past that guideline, so maybe too little too late and now Ukrainians are paying for it...
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 10:10 |
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Glah posted:Only after 2022 with full blown invasion of Ukraine, the slope of that graph would start getting steeper. I think at the moment it's close to that 2% guideline. But really the change should have happened after 2014 at the latest and should be way past that guideline, so maybe too little too late and now Ukrainians are paying for it... It was extremely upsetting to Europeans to suggest this until fairly recently NATO summit: Trump says Germany is ‘captive’ to Russia www.aljazeera.com (2018-07-11) posted:In heated exchange with NATO chief ahead of summit, Trump is fiercely critical of Germany for importing gas from Russia. This stuff aged pretty well As he arrives at NATO summit, President Trump hounds allies over 'delinquent' defense spending www.usatoday.com posted:BRUSSELS — President Donald Trump arrived Tuesday at the home of NATO headquarters with a seemingly singular preoccupation: allies who aren't sharing in the burden of providing for the collective defense. mawarannahr fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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mawarannahr posted:It was extremely upsetting to Europeans to suggest this until fairly recently It was upsetting for many Germans and German politicians. In contrast in many Eastern European countries it was almost a political consensus that Russia is a threat and defense needs have to be met even before 2014. Europeans aren't a homogenous blob, as can be seen from how dysfunctional EU can be.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 10:31 |
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Glah posted:It was upsetting for many Germans and German politicians. In contrast in many Eastern European countries it was almost a political consensus that Russia is a threat and defense needs have to be met even before 2014. Europeans aren't a homogenous blob, as can be seen from how dysfunctional EU can be. At the time the article was written, the only Eastern European NATO country meeting the target was Estonia, it claims quote:But Trump is correct that only four NATO members — the United States, the United Kingdom, Estonia and Greece — currently meet the 2 percent expectation. A fifth country, Poland, fell to 1.99 percent his year, as faster-than-expected economic growth outpaced defense budgets.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 10:36 |
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Doctor Malaver posted:I don't remember anyone on the left, including this forum, ever asking for increased military spending pre-Ukraine. So why the smug and told-you-so attitude now? Actually the only politician who's been consistent in saying this to Europeans is . Well, I didn't remember voicing an opinion on this forum, but I always thought the military disarmament in western europe was kinda short sighted, as well as the reliance on smaller, high-tech volunteer forces instead of conscription base like we got in Finland. Felt like western europe was focusing more on the kind of military that was good for sending aircraft and teams to kill people in the 3rd world than actual defense.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 10:39 |
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mawarannahr posted:At the time the article was written, the only Eastern European NATO country meeting the target was Estonia, it claims Being 0.01% below isn't too far off to be fair.
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mawarannahr posted:At the time the article was written, the only Eastern European NATO country meeting the target was Estonia, it claims That doesn't mean there wasn't a near political consensus in many Eastern European countries about Russia being a threat or that defense spending shouldn't be increased while many Germans were 'extremely upset' about the idea at the same time. Like Finland just by streamlining its calculations according to NATO standards (like taking the budget of border guard, pensions etc. into defense budget like everyone else was doing) suddenly increased its budget through excel sheet because Finland had never really drawn down their military in the first place.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 10:43 |
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Doctor Malaver posted:I don't remember anyone on the left, including this forum, ever asking for increased military spending pre-Ukraine. So why the smug and told-you-so attitude now? Actually the only politician who's been consistent in saying this to Europeans is . Well in the UK thread we repeatedly mock our stupid government for having no functioning military equipment, including that our loving nukes are American made and controlled. We have an aircraft carrier with no aircraft and one of our ships deployed to stop the Houthis had to retire due to rust.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 10:51 |
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They're American made, but let's not pretend that they're controlled by anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7qj5iwKMBU
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 11:02 |
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Who could have guessed that people/countries don't like doing unpleasant things, like spending massive amounts of money with no short-term reward unless forced to do so?
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 11:29 |
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Angry Lobster posted:Who could have guessed that people/countries don't like doing unpleasant things, like spending massive amounts of money with no short-term reward unless forced to do so? The problem is that Britain does spend all that money, it just goes down a giant drain labelled "grift" and meanwhile there's no money to prevent the outbreak of rickets in the young population or solve that the UK has the shortest, weakest children in Europe due to malnutrition.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 11:48 |
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Private Speech posted:Being 0.01% below isn't too far off to be fair. Also whatever these countries may want, they are still in the eu, if the union is dominated by austerity and fiscal conservatism obsessed cretins from Germany and al., how are you going to increase your defense budget if these key players are delinquent? The result would be that you'd be at an economic disadvantage and would have to cut social spending or something else to compensate. Defense absolutely must be coordinated on an intergovernmental level, but there were (and still are) too many bad faith and / or incompetent actors in the way of progress.
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steinrokkan posted:if the union is dominated by austerity and fiscal conservatism obsessed cretins from Germany and al. mrpwase posted:Oh boo it's the Netherlands
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 13:37 |
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steinrokkan posted:Also whatever these countries may want, they are still in the eu, if the union is dominated by austerity and fiscal conservatism obsessed cretins from Germany and al., how are you going to increase your defense budget if these key players are delinquent? The result would be that you'd be at an economic disadvantage and would have to cut social spending or something else to compensate. Defense absolutely must be coordinated on an intergovernmental level, but there were (and still are) too many bad faith and / or incompetent actors in the way of progress.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 19:48 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, the period where Europe really should've been solidifying its defense was the period where Germany was at its most powerful, and was focused on destroying the European economy and building up economic ties with Russia. Short of a Polish invasion of Germany, there wasn't really much anyone could do to fix that. Many problems in modern European history could have been solved for the contintent with a successful Polish invasion of Germany to be fair.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 20:08 |
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Blut posted:Many problems in modern European history could have been solved for the contintent with a successful Polish invasion of Germany to be fair.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 21:12 |
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Remembering when my parents made take Latin in school because 'you can't go to university without Latin'
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 21:33 |
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Lord Stimperor posted:Remembering when my parents made take Latin in school because 'you can't go to university without Latin'
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 21:45 |
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The EU would be immeasurably better if it conducted all business in Latin.
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 21:47 |
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spreadsheets would be a lot more fun in roman numerals
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 22:13 |
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Lord Stimperor posted:spreadsheets would be a lot more fun in roman numerals "+" being overloaded for both addition and string concatenation would almost make sense
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, the period where Europe really should've been solidifying its defense was the period where Germany was at its most powerful, and was focused on destroying the European economy and building up economic ties with Russia. Short of a Polish invasion of Germany, there wasn't really much anyone could do to fix that. this was also the time when Poland was a catholic proto-fascist state sooo
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# ? Apr 5, 2024 06:06 |
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maybe selling rearmament was unpopular for the past decades or so since all we did with them militaries is aid the americans in inflicting misery on the world's poor? oh yeah i think of afghanistan and iraq and go yeah, sure love that several thousand years' worth on hospital upkeep went into that
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NihilCredo posted:"+" being overloaded for both addition and string concatenation would almost make sense VENI SIXFIVEHUNDREDANDONE SIXONEHUNDREDANDONE
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# ? Apr 5, 2024 11:41 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:In conclusion; it's actually all Poland's fault. If we all do our part to aid it's rise Greater Poland will defend us from both Putin and the schwarze null at the same time (poor Estonia seems to have been abandoned to defend itself from Russia's avarice though for some reason..)
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# ? Apr 5, 2024 14:25 |
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FYI people from Wielkopolska are way more stingy that Germans will ever be
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# ? Apr 5, 2024 14:45 |
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Just have them dismantle all of German infrastructure and sell it in exchange for weapons and lots of vodka
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# ? Apr 5, 2024 15:15 |
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mortons stork posted:oh yeah i think of afghanistan and iraq and go yeah, sure love that several thousand years' worth on hospital upkeep went into that again
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# ? Apr 5, 2024 17:37 |
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Lord Stimperor posted:spreadsheets would be a lot more fun in roman numerals from experience, theyre a pain in the rear end
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# ? Apr 5, 2024 18:47 |
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mortons stork posted:maybe selling rearmament was unpopular for the past decades or so since all we did with them militaries is aid the americans in inflicting misery on the world's poor? Let's not pretend Europeans are helplessly and unwillingly being dragged along. Europeans broadly supported the Afghanidtan war and absolutely wanted intervention in Kosovo and Libya and pushed for one in Sytia. In fact, I think France and the UK wanted to do a lot more in Libya and Syria but the Americans were unwilling to commit. The Iraq War stands out as an American ideological crusade but famously we could choose to just not do that like France, Germany, Sweden et al.
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# ? May 25, 2024 14:52 |
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UK voted against further action in Syria back when France were pushing for Georges-Picot 2.0
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