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Yeah and no fraternizing with your colleagues either, they’re your workmates, not your friends. You shouldn’t have any friends that aren’t force ghosts.
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Lister posted:I thought a big part of the prequels is how the jedi are wrong about them not having relationships. Like it was the a big example of the jedi order's extreme rigidity. If they'd been cool with him loving, he would have never needed to start breaking rules. I think people would like that to be what the prequels are saying because it makes sense to a human. But really how it goes down with anakin makes the love ban look 100% logical, merited, and correct. Attachment absolutely did make him wildly susceptible to the monster mash/graveyard smash. The jedi's problem was they didn't actually bother enforcing that rule at all. They need to be more trad if anything. It's still widely underappreciated just how divorced prequels era george was
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Nigmaetcetera posted:Yeah and no fraternizing with your colleagues either, they’re your workmates, not your friends. You shouldn’t have any friends that aren’t force ghosts. Can asking for a friend.
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Lister posted:I thought a big part of the prequels is how the jedi are wrong about them not having relationships. Like it was the a big example of the jedi order's extreme rigidity. If they'd been cool with him loving, he would have never needed to start breaking rules. Anakin did a one-man ethnic cleansing of Tusken raiders because the Jedi's rules on relationships were too strict? The prequels were silly but they weren't that silly. Plus the wisdom of prohibiting sexual relationships was proven when Anakin's first sexual relationship was exploited by a Sith lord to blackmail him into destroying the Jedi. Every exception the Council made for Anakin — letting Qui Gon train him even though he was too old, allowing him to openly flout their authority by allying with secular power, overlooking his relationship with Padme — came back to bite the Republic in the rear end. If you think the Jedi's main problem was being too strict with Anakin, you're probably 15 years old.
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that one jedi forehead guy had to get a special exception in order to have his numerous wives in order to help combat his species' low birthrate and if they need to give him a special exception to gently caress based on material reason, clearly they're not actually ok with it
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Padme is explicitly Marcia Lucas to Anakin's George. Strong competent woman trying get an idiot manchild to reach his basic potential but instead he decides to have a tantrum and destroy the star wars universe while amassing immense power (Disney is the emperor here).
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Nigmaetcetera posted:They were ok with loving, they had a problem with close emotional bonds and emotional interdepency, exactly the opposite of actual monastic orders. Youd think this would mean the Jedi order only attracts the sleaziest of sociopaths, but somehow they're almost all perfect saints
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dr_rat posted:Can Oral only, see the documentary "ghostbusters" (Reitman; 1984) for further information.
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Really all palpatine had to do to turn anarkin was put a "Sith membership now 20% off. Offer ends sunday" ad in the local paper. Dude did love over scheming things.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I think people would like that to be what the prequels are saying because it makes sense to a human. But really how it goes down with anakin makes the love ban look 100% logical, merited, and correct. Attachment absolutely did make him wildly susceptible to the monster mash/graveyard smash. The jedi's problem was they didn't actually bother enforcing that rule at all. They need to be more trad if anything. quote:people would like that to be what the prequels are saying because it makes sense to a human
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Cartoon people always say dave baloney spent the most time with lucas of anyone and was widely considered the heir apparent. So you have to consider maybe it's not merely a bizarre aberration that he decided post rotj luke went deep trad, he could just be passing down the word of the master
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I just remembered how dumb it was how the emperor melted his own face There are two possibilities. One is that he looked like that already and was using the force to look normal, but the lightning either made him drop the act or he dropped the act when he got hit for sympathy points with Anakin. Which seems silly cuz why not then fix his face afterwards Two is that he really just loving melted his own face. Which is stupid.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:They were ok with loving, they had a problem with close emotional bonds and emotional interdepency, exactly the opposite of actual monastic orders. That's just George Lucas opining, like J.K. Rowling saying Dumbledore was gay: not supported in the text. In fact it's implicitly contradicted by the Jedi's clear separation from society at large, their attitude toward romantic attachment, their literal monk's robes, etc. If forming attachments is frowned upon, why would sex be OK? Who isn't at risk of forming attachments from sex? In what context would they even have the opportunity to have an attachment-free sexual liaison? They throw on some jeans and hit a bar when they clock out? It's almost unimaginable.
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Gutcruncher posted:
well we've already seen the quality of care from the empalsurecon
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No Mods No Masters posted:I think people would like that to be what the prequels are saying because it makes sense to a human. But really how it goes down with anakin makes the love ban look 100% logical, merited, and correct. Attachment absolutely did make him wildly susceptible to the monster mash/graveyard smash. The jedi's problem was they didn't actually bother enforcing that rule at all. They need to be more trad if anything. yep
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I don't want to go find it, but this conversation really makes me think of george in the attack of the clones making of stuff saying basically "anakin and padme chose to act on their feelings, and now they'll face all the consequences of that choice" in like the weirdest tone possible
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Cassian of Imola posted:That's just George Lucas opining, like J.K. Rowling saying Dumbledore was gay: not supported in the text. In fact it's implicitly contradicted by the Jedi's clear separation from society at large, their attitude toward romantic attachment, their literal monk's robes, etc. If forming attachments is frowned upon, why would sex be OK? Who isn't at risk of forming attachments from sex? In what context would they even have the opportunity to have an attachment-free sexual liaison? They throw on some jeans and hit a bar when they clock out? It's almost unimaginable. If Lucas says they gently caress then they gently caress, and the alternatives to hoes/one-night-stands are all unthinkable.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:If Lucas says they gently caress then they gently caress, and the alternatives to hoes/one-night-stands are all unthinkable. img-yaddle-fleshlight.jpg
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Lister posted:I thought a big part of the prequels is how the jedi are wrong about them not having relationships. Like it was the a big example of the jedi order's extreme rigidity. If they'd been cool with him loving, he would have never needed to start breaking rules. The whole "the Jedi are wrong" is back-fill by fans, that is nowhere in the text of the prequels. Kind of like how some Star Wars fans will get around the fact that the movies have sounds (explosions/ship engines/roars from giant space worms) in the vacuum of space by saying that it is actually all played inside of ship speakers as a way for the people inside those ships to have a 360-degree situational awareness. The Jedi are tricked by the great threat hiding right under their noses, but so is literally the entire Republic. The problem is that Lucas wrote the Jedi to be so dumb and bad that people think he must have been doing it intentionally. This is in spite of the fact that literally everything else in the prequels is also dumb and bad as well.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:If Lucas says they gently caress then they gently caress, and the alternatives to hoes/one-night-stands are all unthinkable. Catholic priests also gently caress, but it's against the rules. The argument is whether the Jedi Order condones loving. I really don't think so. It doesn't make sense to prohibit romantic attachment but permit loving, which is perhaps the single mostly likely thing to give rise to romantic attachment.
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LanceHunter posted:The whole "the Jedi are wrong" is back-fill by fans, that is nowhere in the text of the prequels. Kind of like how some Star Wars fans will get around the fact that the movies have sounds (explosions/ship engines/roars from giant space worms) in the vacuum of space by saying that it is actually all played inside of ship speakers as a way for the people inside those ships to have a 360-degree situational awareness. The Jedi are tricked by the great threat hiding right under their noses, but so is literally the entire Republic. Yeah the whole shittiness of the Jedi Order is right there, a giant bureaucratic Catholic Church for space wizards that’s become an impotent arm of a corrupt and failing state. But Lucas in his unique stupidity plays it all like they’re the good guys and totally right in their shittiness. So the central conflict falls completely flat. To me the obvious thing to do, would have been for the Clone Wars to involve a split in the Jedi order, and have Anakin and Obi Wan wind up on opposite sides; while having the Confederacy be made up of people who were generally trying to make a better galactic society instead of just a social club for generic bad guys. AotC has that weird line in title crawl about “heroes on both sides” and it makes me wonder if it was a vestigial reference to earlier draft of the script where Lucas was leaning into that. One reason I love KOTOR II so much that I want to gently caress it, is that it basically shits all over the old Jedi Order and makes the surviving Jedi villains.
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LanceHunter posted:The whole "the Jedi are wrong" is back-fill by fans, that is nowhere in the text of the prequels. Kind of like how some Star Wars fans will get around the fact that the movies have sounds (explosions/ship engines/roars from giant space worms) in the vacuum of space by saying that it is actually all played inside of ship speakers as a way for the people inside those ships to have a 360-degree situational awareness. The Jedi are tricked by the great threat hiding right under their noses, but so is literally the entire Republic. To be honest I agree with this the most. As far as criticism of the jedi or republic go, the prequels are never really coherent so the actual most supported thing is the occam's razor "they weren't really to blame, they just got sadly tricked by an evil wizard" option. But if you do want to imagine the jedi having any agency in the story, that they had degenerated from following their own tradition and need to retvrn seems more in line with the lucas of that period than anything else
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Cassian of Imola posted:Catholic priests also gently caress, but it's against the rules. The argument is whether the Jedi Order condones loving. I really don't think so. It doesn't make sense to prohibit romantic attachment but permit loving, which is perhaps the single mostly likely thing to give rise to romantic attachment I know it doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t make sense and would be stupid, the Jedi are stupid and if the people knew what was good for them they woulda done order 66 hundreds of years ago.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:I know it doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t make sense and would be stupid, the Jedi are stupid and if the people knew what was good for them they woulda done order 66 hundreds of years ago. I have this problem a lot, but I can't tell if you're coming to this conclusion from a Protestant angle or a Nazi angle
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LanceHunter posted:The whole "the Jedi are wrong" is back-fill by fans, that is nowhere in the text of the prequels. Kind of like how some Star Wars fans will get around the fact that the movies have sounds (explosions/ship engines/roars from giant space worms) in the vacuum of space by saying that it is actually all played inside of ship speakers as a way for the people inside those ships to have a 360-degree situational awareness. The Jedi are tricked by the great threat hiding right under their noses, but so is literally the entire Republic. It's not just by fans, since getting back to the mara jade issue, the original EU had Luke making reforms to the jedi order because he recognized how bad those rules on relationships were. Yes, attachment to other people lead to anakin feeling bad things and falling to the dark side. But it wasn't the attachments that were inherently the problem. It was his inability to deal with his feelings when bad things happened to people he was attached to. He couldn't process them because of the stigma the whole organization had against feeling anything. Maybe that isn't in the actual text of the prequels, and maybe any subtext suggesting that wasn't meant by george. I definitely don't want to go back and watch any of them to double check. It just seems to me like the obvious read was that the jedi order had its head up its rear end in a lot of ways that religious organizations often do.
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colonelwest posted:AotC has that weird line in title crawl about “heroes on both sides” and it makes me wonder if it was a vestigial reference to earlier draft of the script where Lucas was leaning into that. Regarding the Jedi, I've figured for a while that a bit more research into any real-life orders of celibate knight monks and how they became ineffectual enough to be brought down by powerful people wielding conspiracy theories might have improved the prequels a tad.
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Kingo Ligma posted:Padme is explicitly Marcia Lucas to Anakin's George. In this analogy, the hulking, semi-mobile iron lung that makes each waking moment an agonizing misery is replaced with 4.3 billion dollars.
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if you ignited a lightsaber and it was just poop, that's what star wars is
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sure okay posted:Palpatine's behind 9/11 Wait was the US funding the Sith in the 80's by any chance?
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sure okay posted:Palpatine's behind 9/11 Palpetine’ behind is big
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Lister posted:It's not just by fans, since getting back to the mara jade issue, the original EU had Luke making reforms to the jedi order because he recognized how bad those rules on relationships were. Yes, attachment to other people lead to anakin feeling bad things and falling to the dark side. But it wasn't the attachments that were inherently the problem. It was his inability to deal with his feelings when bad things happened to people he was attached to. He couldn't process them because of the stigma the whole organization had against feeling anything. You're quite right that was long the common read and the one the old EU went with. It's against my basic nature but I'll try to give cowboy dave a bit of credit and say he must have had some artistic reason to establish disney luke as so trad, considering EU style new age luke is obviously more marketable and moreover reduces lore obstacles to making GBS threads out star wars content
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Cassian of Imola posted:I have this problem a lot, but I can't tell if you're coming to this conclusion from a Protestant angle or a Nazi angle The Jedi were oppressors of the proletariat and the populace should have risen up and destroyed the Jedi and then instituted a nice and equitable democratic-socialist government that serves the needs of the people and not a bunch of possibly-pedophilic monks. Edit: is that more Protestant or more nazi? The powerful should always be made less powerful and the weak should always be empowered, and when they themselves become too powerful the process should repeat, forever. Nigmaetcetera fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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the only interesting thing left to explore in the modern star wars era is the one interesting plot hook that the disney sequels bothered to introduce and that's palpatine loving. i know they tried to veer away from that with the cloning bullcrap but there's way more depth in exploring the alternative. i want to see big fat loads, i want to see 69ing, i want to see cream pies. this guy is on top of the galaxy and in his sexual prime, lets delve into that. or we can do another bull poo poo season of rebels i guess, this series is creatively bankrupt
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Kingo Ligma posted:Padme is explicitly Marcia Lucas to Anakin's George. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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The Star Wars world building and storyline is so hosed at this now, they need to either press the reboot button or punt the whole series so far into the future that none of this crap matters anymore. Even when the franchise manages to put out something like Andor, its drug down by the fact that it can’t match up with the stupidity of the prequels and will only lead up to the narrative dead end of the sequels. But really Star Wars should just die at this point. It gives me hope that virtually no one under the age of 30 gives a poo poo about it anymore.
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LanceHunter posted:Kind of like how some Star Wars fans will get around the fact that the movies have sounds (explosions/ship engines/roars from giant space worms) in the vacuum of space by saying that it is actually all played inside of ship speakers as a way for the people inside those ships to have a 360-degree situational awareness. nobody says this, this is too retarded (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I know it happens for all media, but it always stands out to me how the internet, especially Reddit, find ways to twist the prequels around to supporting their politics. No you manchildren, the prequels are not actually an scathing indictment of capitalism, they are cartoons for babies where the rabbit steps in the poopie.
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