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Jossar posted:I'm guessing for my first successful run (or attempts at it), I should just try to focus on making it as far directly down as possible? The main thing to realize is that the longer a session of Noita lasts, the more likely you are to die, no matter how far you've made it. It's a mistake to push through each level as fast as possible, but it's also a mistake to scrape every level for everything it has to offer. Even early levels are never "safe", and eventually you will make a lethal mistake. My usual approach is to start each level by heading straight left or right, until I hit the edge of the level. Then go straight down, until I hit the bottom, and find a portal. Once that's done, I can do more exploring until I feel ready to move on. Striking out into the middle of the level (instead of keeping a wall to one side) from the get-go is dangerous, because you can attract aggro from more directions. You can always try exploring side content; many of the levels have "bonus levels" to their left (but oddly enough, mostly not to their right). These can be a good way to inject some variety if you've gotten tired of regular runs. In particular, to the left of the Coal Pits is a fungal zone that's very high-risk high-reward. If you're having trouble consistently surviving the Hiisi Base (zone 4), then pulling wands from the fungal caves can be a decent way to get a leg up.
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Jossar posted:
Definitely did not know about the Homunculus animosity in that scenario. I would have been so mad lol
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Apr 4, 2024 14:06
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Fungal caves is just plain stupid fun
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madmatt112 posted:Fungal caves is just plain stupid fun Always eat the fungus
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Yeah it's worth noting that the guy who murked you after you got that orb? He's harder than the endboss. A lot of bosses are harder than the endboss. Unless you ponder your orbs like a proper wizard.
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Apr 4, 2024 14:33
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Jossar posted:Spent 10 minutes screwing around with wand design, then immediately died The game is almost entirely about learning things, yourself. You really don't unlock anything critical for success like in other roguelikes like Binding of Isaac or Rogue Legacy or whatever. So time well spent, honestly.
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Apr 4, 2024 21:17
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Jerusalem posted:I really took the old thread title of "gently caress it, I'm going left" to heart when I first started playing the game. Depending on the starting loadout you get, going up is the best. To grab one thing real quick.
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Zesty posted:The game is almost entirely about learning things, yourself. You really don't unlock anything critical for success like in other roguelikes like Binding of Isaac or Rogue Legacy or whatever. ??? This game has the cruelest, most player-hateful healing mechanic in the history of roguelikes and you have to kill one of two different bosses to even add the necessary spells to the loot table so that the RNG can have the possibility of loving you over rather than it just being utterly impossible.
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Apr 4, 2024 22:43
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pseudorandom name posted:??? two little helpful newbie things that don't need you to find anything fancy: the red healy dudes in hiisi base heal their friends. if only there were something that made them your friend. what happens if you put the starting spark on to the starting bomb wand?
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Apr 4, 2024 22:48
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pseudorandom name posted:??? The healing mechanic is "get to the next level". You don't need healing spells or healing-related perks to beat the game, though they do make it a lot easier. Honestly though, there's no shame in installing a health regen mod. If it makes the game more fun for you, then have at it.
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Apr 4, 2024 22:50
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Steam thread reminded me that Noita exists so I started playing again. 
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Velocity Raptor posted:Steam thread reminded me that Noita exists so I started playing again.
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I think it was the spark thing, maybe?
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Velocity Raptor posted:I think it was the spark thing, maybe? it just wanted to explode
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 Alright, that's enough for tonight, I think. Was pleasantly surprised to find that you can survive the drop from fighting Tentacle Guy after grabbing the Orb and it takes you to Snowy, but apart from that the rest of the runs were more of a step backwards than anything else. Still don't know what I'm doing with wands, although I was able to make a good machinegun wand through copious application of Chainsaw runes.
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Apr 4, 2024 23:50
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Yeah, lightning from the lightning rock arced to the barrel, causing an explosion.
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Wand crafting is complicated to figure out on your own. Spells can have mechanics that aren’t referenced at all in their stats. Weird number-y mechanics. At some point you may be inclined to deep dive that kind of thing with tutorials and guides.
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Wand wrapping comes to mind as a completely unexplained mechanic that makes sense once you realize it’s there, but many people would never figure it out on their own. (It’s me, I’m the idiot)
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I didn’t know what was happening before I looked it up but there’s definitely a point where I was asking myself wtf some wands cast faster if light was the last spell.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Yeah, lightning from the lightning rock arced to the barrel, causing an explosion.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Honestly though, there's no shame in installing a health regen mod. If it makes the game more fun for you, then have at it. Wrong. Be shamed by your cowardice, cur!
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I would install a health regen mod but all the internet online people that I have made up entirely in my head keep shouting at me and mocking me for it. 
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I did it after getting my poo poo repeatedly wrecked and not seeing anything past the first 3 biomes. After I got a finish I removed it and didn't look back.
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Nothing wrong with some training wheels to get you past some initial frustrations. There's a lot to see and do after you get more comfortable with the game. Or don't take them off. It's a single player game. Have fun.
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pseudorandom name posted:??? I would say there is only one spell in the game that you need to unlock that significantly affects the difficulty of future runs: Fireball Orbit, that you get from killing the Dragon in the Jungle. It does good enough damage that it can carry you for the first few levels. But even then it's not like you're finding that spell that often.
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High Alchemist or Master of Masters. But really the correct way to play the game is to refuse to play the beta branch and then throw an emerald tablet on the Hissi anvil and then throw the resulting stone tablet into the alchemist hut in order to open the portal into the second tank, but, more importantly, spawn/permanently unlock the Wand Refresh in the upper left of the Frozen Fault without having to fight the High Alchemist.
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Almost every single spell unlocked by meta progression is either mostly irrelevant or locked to extremely high rarity/non-existence outside of the boss that unlocks it or random shop spells in The Works, so I don't see how unlocking them in a previous run matters at all. If you can traverse The Works you could just go beat up the boss that unlocks the spell. The only real exceptions for unlocks are the dragon orbit spells and nuke, the latter of which mostly just make things harder on you when a random hiisi picks up a wand and fires it at you.
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I can't imagine trying to rely on nukes to get your first win. What a concept!
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I got my first Kolmi kill with Nuke! and then got pasted by falling ceiling chunks before I could go into the portal
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New Noita challenge: nuke-only run
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Whenever I start the game with an acid flask I attempt a speed-run, as it's a quick boss kill if you throw it right. Not managed a kill yet, and certainly not in less than 5 minutes. I made it to within sight of the last portal to reach Kolmi but got killed, and it was already 7 minutes anyway. One day I will manage it, but there is no way I'll ever do a no-hit run. I've gone 2 biomes with no damage once, but that's about all I can do.
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 I guess I'm making this a daily-ish diary until I give up? No real motion in overall progress, but I am making it to Snowy/Hiisi more consistently, mostly because I'm trying to use digging wands to brute force my way through the levels. I did get a couple of better wand combinations, but it felt like the game was dropping a few good ones in my lap rather than me extracting value on my own knowledge.
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Gromit posted:I did it after getting my poo poo repeatedly wrecked and not seeing anything past the first 3 biomes. After I got a finish I removed it and didn't look back.
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Jossar posted:
How much do you know about what this game has to offer? How deep does the rabbit hole go, as far as you know?
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Quit trying to spoil the newbie and let them experience the magnificence that is blind Noita. The search for knowledge has corrupted us all, so we can only live vicariously through them now.
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pseudorandom name posted:High Alchemist or Master of Masters. funny words, what do they mean?  I don't actually want to know!
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I've mentioned it here before but my one real dislike about the game is there is no way of knowing how best to progress without running into areas that will destroy you or what to do after beating Kolmi. Not all of us want to decipher the clues to all the secrets, but that's not the same as wanting everything spoiled. What I'm saying is, as a new player you should investigate and learn a bunch of the deeper mechanics and weird zones, but at some point doing some Googling is going to fundamentally change how you play unless you are a genius and somehow work it all out yourself. I posted a suggested play guide here a couple of months ago, but it probably has some small spoilers in it. I could also post some tips but they would be even more spoilery depending on how much you want to work out yourself. But I know for a fact if I didn't get wand build tips from YouTube I would not have played this game much, as some of the hidden mechanics people have suggested here make a huge difference in damage output.
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Honestly, the game hasn't even begun until you stumble upon the Fountain of Madness. I can't count the number of times I got stuck fighting the chefs in the Hiisi Bakery before realizing you just need to get one of them to follow you to Kolmi's lodge
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HolHorsejob posted:Honestly, the game hasn't even begun until you stumble upon the Fountain of Madness. I can't count the number of times I got stuck fighting the chefs in the Hiisi Bakery before realizing you just need to get one of them to follow you to Kolmi's lodge The literal best part of this as someone who's played an okay amount, but hasn't made any real progress: I have no idea if this is a joke or actually in the game. And that's why this game owns so hard. Don't tell me either way.
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After moving past the bakery, you get to The Magician's Butchery where a little guy throws sausages at you.
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