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V-Men posted:Is that even a thing a prosecutor would do? I mean, he had to have to get witnesses and evidence in front of a grand jury. And the more time passes between a crime occurring and a witness attempting to remember what happened, the worst quality testimony you get. Initially? Their may not be enough evidence. But during a trial, you might get a bunch of co-accused agreeing to giving evidence in exchange for lighter sentences. Suddenly, you have a bunch of people saying "yeah we took ten boxes of classified documents out of Mar-a-largo and brought it to New Jearsy." And that's before you get yo any evidence that will be given in court. It's not unheard of for prosecution to start second prosecutions out of things that happened during the first prosecution.
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The Sotomayor health claims are mostly panic given she had paramedics rush to her house in 2018 and has now started having a medic on her staff when out and about. Fears of an RBG situation repeating, basically.V-Men posted:Is that even a thing a prosecutor would do? I mean, he had to have to get witnesses and evidence in front of a grand jury. And the more time passes between a crime occurring and a witness attempting to remember what happened, the worst quality testimony you get. There's already indications of a grand jury in NJ given they served at least one subpoena there which the Florida grand jury wouldn't have jurisdiction over https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/trump-investigation-bedminster.html Famously the audio of him showing the document regarding Milley and Iran was recorded there, not at MaL https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/26/us/politics/trump-documents-tape-audio.html The timing of the reporting as I remember it heavily implied he started both grand juries at roughly the same time but brought Florida's indictment first and the NJ one may have already made its decision but it's waiting for Florida to finish, regardless of outcome.
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Is there any reason why he can't bring charges in NJ and then merge the cases up there and remove Canon? Or is it more likely NJ would get moved to FL as thats 'further along'. Interesting writeup today on Electoral-vote.com about the FL case. Too long to paste here but I'll link it. https://electoral-vote.com/#item-1 quote:It has been clear for a while that not only is Cannon slow-walking this case and indulging every delay tactic that Trump's team brings, but she is also deliberately avoiding making any rulings that Smith can appeal. And now it seems that she is setting up a Trump acquittal through the use of erroneous jury instructions. So, at this point, Smith has no choice but to get the Eleventh Circuit involved and at the same time, to try to get her removed from the case. If Smith is forced to take a writ and the Eleventh Circuit accepts it, I don't see how they leave her on the case. And if they act with some alacrity, I wouldn't be surprised if the new judge appointed to the case fast-tracked this thing since there are really no facts in dispute and the law is very clear and not at all complicated. That could add an entirely new dimension to the upcoming election if this case goes to trial, say, this summer and the Jan. 6 criminal trial begins in the Fall.
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Goatse James Bond posted:what on earth makes you think Sotomayor is on the brink of death She's a 70 year old lifelong Type 1 diabetic who's already had at least one publicly known instance of having paramedics called out to treat a low blood sugar emergency despite the best available medical care. She is working a demanding and stressful job. The chances of a major health episode in the next five years are not inconsiderable.
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There is also a bad senate map this time around, and a GOP senate would absolutely let a SCOTUS seat sit for an entire term (or more) even if Biden is President.
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Also we live in hell world and if a liberal justice dies it's going to be when we can't replace them.
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I’m almost afraid that even if Sotomayor were to retire Manchin and Sinema would hold hands and block replacing her until the election as one last “we’re so bipartisan” stunt.
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Fifteen of Many posted:I’m almost afraid that even if Sotomayor were to retire Manchin and Sinema would hold hands and block replacing her until the election as one last “we’re so bipartisan” stunt. The retirement would be contingent on a replacement being selected.
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Trump subpoena to NBC over Stormy Daniels documentary blocked by judgequote:Donald Trump's subpoena to Comcast-owned NBCUniversal for material related to a recent documentary about porn star Stormy Daniels was blocked on Friday by the judge overseeing the former U.S. president's April 15 criminal trial.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:"It is unjust for me, an officer if the court, to have to reveal my reasoning" This is the only time in my life that I've ever heard of anything that could get someone with a law degree to not explain their legal reasoning while they still breathe.
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Very happy to inform you that $DJT continues to tank despite pretty much the whole market being up. I believe it still has to drop another 50% before Trump and the other restricted shareholders will actually start to lose money, but it’s a start. Happy Friday!
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dpkg chopra posted:Very happy to inform you that $DJT continues to tank despite pretty much the whole market being up. HODL! 
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how much does it have to drop before his stake is worth less than his fine reply quick, I'm almost there
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dpkg chopra posted:Very happy to inform you that $DJT continues to tank despite pretty much the whole market being up. I don't think they can lose money, they were given shares for free. This week a Money Stuff article went into detail on how the stick price can be so high for insanely weird technical stuff. https://newsletterhunt.com/emails/55467 Oil! fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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dpkg chopra posted:Very happy to inform you that $DJT continues to tank despite pretty much the whole market being up. We're already past the point where anyone who bought stock post-merger has lost money. If it goes below $10, all of the original DWAC shareholders that bought in years ago will lose money, and at that point Trump will be one of very few people left with any hope of making any money off this stock haveblue posted:how much does it have to drop before his stake is worth less than his fine
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He almost certainly sold some of his stake a few days ago during those trades I singled out. The board of directors would have given him permission to do so.
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mdemone posted:He almost certainly sold some of his stake a few days ago during those trades I singled out. The board of directors would have given him permission to do so. I'm not certain you can be so certain.
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There would be a document sent to the SEC saying the restrictions were lifted and then a follow up document about the shares being sold by a large stakeholder.
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mdemone posted:He almost certainly sold some of his stake a few days ago during those trades I singled out. The board of directors would have given him permission to do so. or no, he didn't
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I'm still relieved that the meme stock traders on Reddit saw $DJT and knew it was a scam.
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Blotto_Otter posted:either an extremely high-profile company with wall-to-wall press coverage had a secret board meeting where they secretly voted against the interest of every shareholder other than Donald Trump, and then Donald Trump sold a bunch of shares in secret without cratering the stock price and then blew off the legal requirement to submit a Form 4 to the SEC by today, Trump essentially owns the board and constantly commits crimes. It's very possible he did this.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Trump essentially owns the board and constantly commits crimes. It's very possible he did this. The board voting to let him would be insane but not shock me, but I don’t think he could physically sell the shares secretly.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Trump essentially owns the board and constantly commits crimes. It's very possible he did this. In secret?
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Wasn't he suing the other board members? I'm guessing they told him no when he tried to dump ASAP.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Trump essentially owns the board and constantly commits crimes. It's very possible he did this. It's not. Like, it just straight up is not possible that he secretly sold the shares.
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Randalor posted:Wasn't he suing the other board members? I'm guessing they told him no when he tried to dump ASAP. He is suing a couple guys that helped set up the company and are due shares. It's all in the did they/didn't they do their jobs enough to deserve them. I assume they did and if the price reflected reality, there would be no suit because it wouldn't be worth it to litigate. Also there is no way Trump is selling without also posting that he is doing it for all of us to get in on the opportunity to buy a certified Trump share.
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Blotto_Otter posted:technically, it could drop to zero and Trump himself is not actually going to lose any significant amount of money, because he (more or less) never invested much of his own money to begin with. he's just not going to make any money off it it. Yeah I realized after posting that I was mistaken and had meant to say just the DWAC investors would lose money (I also thought that the merger price was $20), sorry about that.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Trump essentially owns the board and constantly commits crimes. It's very possible he did this. Trump: crimes, crimes- $DJT board: crimes, CRIMES SEC (banging gavel): CRIMES, CRIMES, CRIMES!
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Liquid Communism posted:She's a 70 year old lifelong Type 1 diabetic who's already had at least one publicly known instance of having paramedics called out to treat a low blood sugar emergency despite the best available medical care. She is working a demanding and stressful job. The chances of a major health episode in the next five years are not inconsiderable. Having EMTs over due to low blood sugar is not an indication you'll die in the next 5 years, and this kind of thinking is what leads to people not being overly cautious because they think the public will jump to the worst conclusion even without evidence. If she otherwise has good control she can live a long time. It's tough to get numbers on how long because diabetes care is continually improving significantly, and generally depends on personal control anyway.
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Kchama posted:It's not. Like, it just straight up is not possible that he secretly sold the shares. He has done many things once thought impossible. I don't think you can be so certain either.
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Selling shares is not something that happens in a smoke-filled back room any more, you have to involve several other organizations that are heavily regulated and not interested in crimes Like, right now he doesn’t actually possess the shares, they are in custody of the company that implements the stock market and executes transfers You should be more worried about a billionaire writing him a check, because a) that is significantly easier and more likely and b) that may actually be in the process of happening
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Stick shares aren't really held by people anymore. It's all done by brokerages and clearing houses adjusting spreadsheets. The clearinghouse would look at the transaction and say "can you legally sell these shares" and the brokerage would go "lol, nope" and that would end it. Trump may be mostly untouchable, but the 2-3 companies that have all the power of share transactions have trillions of dollars of shares and will do anything to prevent from losing that control. Also something like 95% of the available shares are being loaned for shorts at a 500% interest rate. Oil! fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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Edward Mass posted:I'm still relieved that the meme stock traders on Reddit saw $DJT and knew it was a scam. It's extremely funny that the community of people who financially self-immolate at the first chance possible took a look at $DJT and said "wow, what loving idiot would touch that? get a grip fellas" and ignored the IPO.
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It wasn't an IPO.
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Oil! posted:Also something like 95% of the available shares are being loaned for shorts at a 500% interest rate. 98% according to today's money stuff, and at a 550% rate. God bless Matt Levine.
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mdemone posted:He has done many things once thought impossible. I don't think you can be so certain either. a) a criminal mastermind the caliber of Professor Moriarty, capable of pulling off a massive conspiracy based on a truly remarkable amount of people keeping a secret, when most of those people are either 1) idiot MAGA true believers who are absolutely terrible at keeping secrets OR 2) people who would lose money and/or face serious civil and criminal liability for going along with it AND b) a complete loving moron who engineers a historic conspiracy all for the purpose of selling just a slice of his shares in a way that will be easily detected within days or weeks by the federal government, which is currently controlled by his political rivals during an election year, and easily prosecuted both as a civil action by the SEC and a criminal action by the DOJ mdemone posted:It wasn't an IPO.  no, it was a merger with an SPAC that was conditioned on the majority shareholder agreeing to a six-month lockup that is not getting waived in secret and then illegally sold in secret only to get caught by the feds almost immediately after the fact
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mdemone posted:He has done many things once thought impossible. I don't think you can be so certain either. I can be 100% certain. This isn't going into a dark back alley and slipping the shares into someone's pocket and then having billions of dollars put into his pocket. You have to get other companies involved whose automated services that are involved when stocks are sold are not going to just allow him to do a secret manual sell. Because it would get THEM in trouble too. The government will know, and pretty drat quickly. So even if he somehow sold them, it would not just be an anonymous thing.
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you can get away with a lot of poo poo, but screwing with the money is how you get nailed to the wall as in the examples of bernie madoff, sam bankman-fried, enron, and theranos
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i think blotto otter is trying to tell us that donald j trump did not pull off what would have to have been the biggest Detective Anime Protagonist infinity-d chess move instantly defeating the SEC while timed surgically to a galactic harmonic planetary alignment that allowed his share dump to be mysteriously unrecognizable to outside monitors, institutional or otherwise but on the other hand, what if i feel like it's something he did do. we need to be discussing the possibilities here
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Could he use them as the collateral for the bond? I mean that as an honest question.
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