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distortion park posted:It's really annoying how Boseiju makes artifacts so so much worse. 0 cost to include for basically any deck that plays green and can completely blow you out. It is very funny to me that in modern RN magus of the moon is better than blood moon. This is just because it is so easy for Titan and tron to fetch boseiju and use it against blood moon.
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What standard cards ramp more efficiently than 1 net mana with some free life gain stapled on? I want to play those! Not seeing any play at 3 and being frustrated about that as a mythic are totally justifiable opinions but the hyperbole about the hypothetical 2 mana version is silly. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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Apr 5, 2024 14:52
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:What standard cards ramp more efficiently than 1 net mana with some free life gain stapled on? I want to play those! The Celestus gives you looting in addition to lifegain, The Irencrag is a straight-up 2 mana rock.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:What standard cards ramp more efficiently than 1 net mana with some free life gain stapled on? I want to play those! Invasion of Zendikar grabs 2 lands and a 4/4 vigilant creature Land when flipped Topiary Stomper gets a land and a 4/4 vigilant creature when the condition is met Contagious Vorrac digs for 2 lands and can proliferate if you whiff on any Those are just off the top of my head, there are probably a bunch that I forgot but are most likely better than that rock
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Fritzler posted:It is very funny to me that in modern RN magus of the moon is better than blood moon. This is just because it is so easy for Titan and tron to fetch boseiju and use it against blood moon. I was playing Amulet Titan deck and kept a slow hand against... idk it was some off meta red deck and they put magus out then promptly beat my rear end just with the magus lmfao Drew nothin but lands, kept a durdly Boseiju hand cause yeah, blood Moon, never drew a dismember. RIP in peace to me that game bahaha
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Apr 5, 2024 15:29
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Silhouette posted:It wouldn't be playable at any mv over 1 because green doesn't want or need mana rocks when they can just ramp with more efficient methods I've been running some numbers on how likely it is to see some of these inclusions. For the bonus sheet OTP slot, you'll see any particular uncommon almost exactly as often as a set uncommon: The OTP slot is split 20/30/15 U/R/M. And it's an uncommon 66% of the time. So any particular uncommon will be in 1/30 packs. Compared to 3 + .8 times a fourth uncommon slot at 1/100. The odds of opening any particular BIG card like this are really small. 1/5 chance to upgrade from uncommon, 11/12 chance it's BIG not SPG, 1/30 odds of it being the mana rock. About .22 of any one per booster box.
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Silhouette posted:Invasion of Zendikar grabs 2 lands and a 4/4 vigilant creature Land when flipped Jabor posted:The Celestus gives you looting in addition to lifegain, The Irencrag is a straight-up 2 mana rock. All of these are far worse than the hypothetical 2 mana version of that rock, with the possible exceptions of Invasion and Stomper specifically and only for Domain. A 2 mana Ancient Cornucopia might even be enough to push a different version of Atraxa ramp into prominence over domain. The Celestus seeing fringe play is exactly why I think the 3 mana version still might see some fringe play also - the card selection is very powerful, but the lifegain of Cornucopia is a lot more consistent and potentially a lot more. It starts earlier where the lifegain can really help the deck that's ramping survive to take over with what it's ramping to. There are many good options for 3 mana ramp, so I think it's still not that likely that this one does see play, but I can see it as an outside possibility. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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Apr 5, 2024 18:05
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A manalith that costs colored mana to cast and gains you one life maybe per turn would be garbage at common, let alone mythic so I dunno why you're choosing this hill to die on The only good 3 mana rocks printed into standard in the last 20 years are the celestus, midnight clock and heraldic banner, with maybe a consideration for replicating ring and skyclave relic
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Apr 5, 2024 18:21
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can we talk about potential playability of cards without bringing in phrases like "choosing this hill to die on"
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I'm completely sympathetic to you saying it's a garbage mythic. I'm not arguing against that at all, and I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if people had just said they thought it was a terrible mythic, a bad rock, and wouldn't see play. Y'all saying a hypothetical 2 mana version would be unplayable was what pulled me in to talking about it. For 3 mana rocks Relic of Legends and Staff of Completion are both recent printings and have seen fringe play in multiple formats.
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So just a question that's struck me from playing Standard in Arena, after having played only Yu-Gi-Oh and commander: is there an actually good reason I see people playing 250-card decks, or is that just someone who doesn't understand deckbuilding cramming in every card that looks cool?
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there is no strategic benefit to playing more than the minimum amount of cards on arena, and you should probably play ranked instead of casual
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:All of these are far worse than the hypothetical 2 mana version of that rock, with the possible exceptions of Invasion and Stomper specifically and only for Domain. A 2 mana Ancient Cornucopia might even be enough to push a different version of Atraxa ramp into prominence over domain. The lifegain is probably not why celestus saw play...
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Apr 6, 2024 03:58
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there should be a magic card named hill to die on
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flatluigi posted:there is no strategic benefit to playing more than the minimum amount of cards on arena, and you should probably play ranked instead of casual I am, but I'm playing low ranked, so it's a bunch of idiots. (Which I will unfortunately wear as well; I play a black-green toxic deck and a red-blue 'dig for artifacts' deck, neither of which can quite manage being reliable.) I thought that I might've maybe been looking at some sort of strategy, since while I naturally never see them playing the same cards, I do always see them doing a fair amount of scrying. That almost resembled a gameplan.
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Cleretic posted:So just a question that's struck me from playing Standard in Arena, after having played only Yu-Gi-Oh and commander: is there an actually good reason I see people playing 250-card decks, or is that just someone who doesn't understand deckbuilding cramming in every card that looks cool? There's an old blue enchantment called Battle of Wits that cost 3UU and said, "At the beginning of your upkeep, if your library has 200 or more cards in it, you win the game." But as that card doesn't currently exist on Arena (to my knowledge), no, there's no point to them doing it other than they felt like it.
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Cleretic posted:So just a question that's struck me from playing Standard in Arena, after having played only Yu-Gi-Oh and commander: is there an actually good reason I see people playing 250-card decks, or is that just someone who doesn't understand deckbuilding cramming in every card that looks cool?  (note: this is not in Arena in any form lol)
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there are decks that like to self-mill to win, but i don't think there's a reason in standard to play them and they're also just better to play with a smaller deck for a number of reasons
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The Slogurk deck has a legitimate reason to play as many as 80 cards, which is highly unusual outside of Yorion decks. But 200 is always a mistake unless you're playing Battle of Wits.
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GrandpaPants posted:Does this art look 90s CG as hell to anyone else? It looks like a screenshot from Planescape: Torment or something to me. 
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Apr 6, 2024 04:40
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This is what 1990s cg looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5UC5UNWims
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The worldsoul's rage decks will go up to the high sixties as well because they want a certain number of lands that actually tap for mana that they can grab out of the deck, AND a balanced amount of new-capenna fetches to actually do that fetching, while also not having SO many more lands than spells that they do actually flood out. Honestly in general if a deck is going more than 60 cards it's generally doing something weird where the amount of lands in the deck itself directly matters, absent being yorion
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:This is what 1990s cg looks like This is perfect, so what's the holdup on the mtg show? They already have the target model to aim for.
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Is the next ban announcement soon? Aftermath Analyst really isn't fun to play against.
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Very soon after thunder junction which is soon, but Aftermath Analyst is in no way the sort of thing they're looking to ban in the current philosophy, so don't get your hopes up.
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Aftermath Analyst is fine and will also have to contend with Rest In Peace after the set releases. There’s no chance of a ban. P.S. I did call that one last spoiler season.
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Then how are you meant to interact with it if you're not in white?
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Soul Guide Lantern was just reprinted in eldraine
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Justin_Brett posted:Then how are you meant to interact with it if you're not in white? There are plenty of non-white pieces of yard hate, plus you can counter the analyst, pull it out of their hands, win before they can dump six mana into the cast + activation etc. If nobody sounds particularly sympathetic it's because this is the best Standard has been in a long rear end time and we rarely get a deck as fun or combo-y as these Analyst decks.
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what's this analyst deck look like because I apparently took enough of a break from standard to not see it get made
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flatluigi posted:what's this analyst deck look like because I apparently took enough of a break from standard to not see it get made There's a few different versions but the main one currently is Temur and uses Aftermath Analysts with Nissa, Resurgent Animist to play Virtue of Strength for massive Worldsoul's Rages. Otherwise it mostly plays sweepers and setup pieces, and it's by far the best Memory Deluge deck. https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=53932&d=600697&f=ST The first version used Aftermath Analyst + Nissa to do Slogurk and Takenuma loops and milled out the opponent by recurring Jace in a 68 card special, absolutely stomping the 75k tournament it debuted in. https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=52673&d=591268&f=ST
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I haven't played since WAR and have the itch to start up again. Is the best way to build up a collection sill to do a bunch of AI best-of-one drafts (is that still a thing?). I have 11,000 gems on my account currently. Interested mostly in limited but also enjoy standard if there is a fun deck.
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I had aftermath analyst in a monogreen deck I played yesterday and it was a blast just doing monogreen rampy stompy things. It takes a bit to get to that point, plenty of decks could punch through before I get all my lands AND another turn to do something crazy with it.
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Tainen posted:I haven't played since WAR and have the itch to start up again. Is the best way to build up a collection sill to do a bunch of AI best-of-one drafts (is that still a thing?). I have 11,000 gems on my account currently. Interested mostly in limited but also enjoy standard if there is a fun deck. Yeah just have fun in limited, whichever version suits your mood. If you're good you might have more fun in BO3. There are a lot of standard decks right now but they usually pull from so many sets it's unlikely you'll draft them naturally but building up WCs through drafting will open up deck options.
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Hmm, I should probably put Aftermath Analyst in my Nissa Resurgent brawl deck... what to replace though Edit: it was between Gala Greeters and Deeproot Wayfinder.... Greeters being an Elf has been relevant with Allosaurus Shepherd and Wayfinder is actually just a kinda uneven dripfeed to Analyst's ability lol so that's probably the one
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fadam posted:There are plenty of non-white pieces of yard hate, plus you can counter the analyst, pull it out of their hands, win before they can dump six mana into the cast + activation etc. If nobody sounds particularly sympathetic it's because this is the best Standard has been in a long rear end time and we rarely get a deck as fun or combo-y as these Analyst decks. I honestly didn't get that vibe since I did ask questions and got fair answers. I also feel like there's a reason standard doesn't usually get decks like this though!
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My favorite comment I saw regarding the aftermath analyst decks: "i'm winning a reasonably average amount of games but there are very few turns where i don't feel like i'm doing it wrong"
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I've said it before but I think this set will change a lot more than the previous ones have. An unordered list of extremely powerful cards that stand a very good chance of seeing play: Aven Interrupter Claim Jumper (maybe the best on-the-draw protection printed to Standard ever) Final Showdown Duelist of the Mind Three Steps Ahead Lively Dirge Kaervek, the Punisher Slickshot Show-Off Bristly Bill, Spine Sower Smuggler's Surprise Honest Rutstein Make Your Own Luck Jace Reawakened RIP Harvester of Misery Pest Control Sword of Wealth and Power Rush of Dread Still very strong cards: Frontier Seeker High Noon One Last Job Requisition Raid Geralf, the Fleshwright Stoic Sphinx Forsaken Miner Gisa, the Hellraiser Tinybones Joins Up Calamity, Galloping Inferno Highway Robbery Magda, the Hoardmaster Scorching Shot Aloe Alchemist Beastbond Outcaster Colossal Rattlewurm Dance of the Tumbleweeds Freestrider Lookout Goldvein Hydra Ornery Tumblewagg Assimilation Aegis The Gitrog, Ravenous Ride Kellan, the Kid Laughing Jasper Flint Malcolm, the Eyes Rakdos Joins Up Ruthless Lawbringer Satoru, the Infiltrator Slick Sequence Vial Smasher, Gleeful Grenadier Collector's Cage Simulacrum Synthesizer Hostile Investigator Generous Plunderer Legion Extruder Omenpath Journey Nexus of Becoming Torpor Orb Fomori Vault And then a bunch of cards that seem more borderline but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see played a decent amount: Fortune, Loyal Steed Archmage's Newt Fblthp, Lost on the Range Harrier Strix Phantom Interference Gold Rush Hardbristle Bandit Caustic Bronco Tinybone, the Pickpocket Unscrupulous Contractor Cunning Coyote Railway Brawler Spinewoods Armadillo Bonny Pall, Clearcutter Annie Joins Up Vraska Joins Up Rakdos, the Muscle Wylie Duke, Atiin Hero Greed's Gambit Memory Vessel Molten Duplication Oltec Matterweaver Worldwaker Helm Lost Jitte Loot, the Key to Everything I'm sure I've missed some and obviously this is waaaaaay too many for them all to see play, but this is the biggest shakeup in a long time. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Apr 6, 2024 |
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This set is definitely juiced. I’m cautiously hopeful for something big to come of Tinybones Joins Up and Satoru (separately, not together). I am not a prowess enjoyer but I will pick up a set of Slickshot in the hopes that it is modern viable. Or pioneer. If this set shakes up pioneer enough I might grind the RCQ season.
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Justin_Brett posted:I honestly didn't get that vibe since I did ask questions and got fair answers. I also feel like there's a reason standard doesn't usually get decks like this though! TBH my impression is the reason is mostly because they're usually not very good
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