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This is the best-written mission in the whole campaign. I mean it's not amazing or anything but the dialogue is all fun to read and everyone's motivations make sense. Fun change of pace too.
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Apr 6, 2024 11:56
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painedforever posted:This mission seems like it's so much fun. Is it fun? It's a shame the story doesn't hold up its' end of the bargain. GunnerJ posted:I think the Hyperion could just fly under or over that debris field tbh
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Apr 6, 2024 12:28
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I don't like Miras hijinks but I think it's because I just really dislike Matt A lotta other people do though so ymmv
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Apr 6, 2024 12:36
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How could you not like someone as exciting and impressionable as a woolly sweater?
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Apr 6, 2024 13:52
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Gun Jam posted:Yeah. So we could have a fun fight with friends without the horrors of people actually dying (like so!) Just assume it's actually super-expensive to do it this way and doesn't scale up well to the levels a state military actually needs. Mira's just weird and actually likes assembling her Spacehammer 50k army to smash apart even if it means she spends months busting asteroids for minerals in between. (Busting heads would be more fun, but she needs the army ready for that.)
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Apr 6, 2024 16:51
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BisbyWorl posted:But the Hyperion has the new ability to fire while moving. explain
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Apr 6, 2024 17:29
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Mission is fun but Mira&Matt relationship is one of these double standard cases where it is played for fun, but would be extremely creepy if roles were reversed.
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Apr 6, 2024 17:38
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Hwurmp posted:explain "What if Diamondback but Battlecruiser?"
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Hwurmp posted:explain Like Phoenixes or Diamondbacks, they gave Battlecruisers the ability to use their regular attack while moving. Fire on the move isn't worth much in campaign, but in multiplayer, oh boy. Terrans in multiplayer have the hilarious option to fast tech to Battlecruisers and then teleport them directly into your base, killing as much of your poo poo as they can while very slowly leaving. Then they just repair them and do it over and over until their opponent has finally massed enough anti air to shoot them down.
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Apr 6, 2024 18:23
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I think Hots is fun unless you played Zerg extensively in Wings. Then you play it and it is the most relentlessly boring campaign because like, basic loving zerg macro annihilates it and any need for thought completely.
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the biggest problem with HOTS is that it's very much a make-your-own-fun situation: you're given a bunch of insanely powerful tools so you can play the game however you want. the problem is that, in doing so, the game becomes braindead easy. all of the stuff that makes the zerg into what they are is stripped out in favor of an easier, more accessible campaign. of course you could solve this problem by having a better power slider that gives/takes power to/from kerrigan and your army, allowing for a choice between a "hero mode" that focuses on kerrigan and a "zerg mode" that focuses on the swarm. kerrigan's ability loadout kinda does this, but not in any way that really matters since there are almost always clear winners at every tier regardless of how you're playing the campaign.
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If nothing else, more and more Campaign mods coming out these days remove Kerrigan as a controllable hero and turn all of her active abilities into more passives to benefit your army.
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Intermission 14 Even though we're on the cusp of finally saving Kerrigan's TWUE WUV, she still has time to put one last world to the torch.     Now, we only see one planet get Swarmed here, but 'across the sector' implies that many other worlds are getting devoured. Either way, Kerrigan sacrficed at least three worlds to the Swarm while hazing the newbies.    >Talk to Stukov.  Not the sort of spacecraft I am used to, but it is good to be aloft once more. Growing up, I always wished to travel between the stars. The strange things I've seen. If you wish to save James Raynor, I will not speak against it.>Talk to Izsha.    They are asking if we may destroy the terrans now that they are no longer useful. Tell them the terrans are not to be harmed. It is my will. I will tell them, my queen.>Talk to Dehaka.  Essence count: 89   I follow for essence.Essence count: 90  You must learn obedience, primal! Yes, come to me. I will collect your essence now.Essence count: 91  This is the closest Heart gets to having any form of conflict within the party, and Kerrigan deals with it by treating them like arguing children. >Talk to Abathur.   So our thoughts are too different for anything beyond simple transmissions. Accurate. Zerg processes complex. Incompatible with terran machinery. Then it's up to Valerian now.>Talk to Hyperion.   Tell him he's got one hour. Considering the last time Valerian had to deal with Kerrigan ended with him getting strangled, he's certainly toughened up. You're already in over your head. Don't make it worse.And Kerrigan immediately jumps to threats, as usual.  If the Dominion sense our intrusion, they'll move Jim, or kill him.  Kerrigan just stares at him for a few seconds.  Zerg are not the only ones who adapt. Very well, I will wait for your expert to do his work. Kerrigan's levels from Phantoms of the Void. I also swapped Twin Drones for Malignant Creep again.  This is actually the end of the Space missions, so after this it's straight to Korhal!
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I can only imagine the posting on Koprulu sector CSPAM and D&D during the Zerg invasions that Kerrigan orders.
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I spent a bit of free time the other day playing a Heart mod called "Leviathan Crew". Rejiggers the HotS campaign so you don't control Kerrigan at all, and all of her abilities are now army passives. Your ability to build an army is limited by biomass - basically, you need to eat critters and complete optional objectives instead of just building a massive 200-supply swarm every mission. Biomass carries over between missions, so there's some resource management. In exchange, all of the zerg units have individual upgrades that work like squad upgrades in 40K Dawn of War. Zerglings can all get a little armor boost and attack speed boost with a mineral investment, for example. Also there's an early passive that drops zergling mass needs to 0 so it's harder to get into a no-win scenario. It is absolutely amazing just how much more interesting the campaign gets when you don't have your OP queen bitch. Feels like a proper zerg campaign now. The limited biomass thing seems like it would kill the flavor of the Zerg, but it really doesn't, it's just one more macro-level bit of resources to manage. Zerg play is already very macro-level. Also the first level of Zerus where you need to gather meat may be the worst frigging mission in SC2. What railroady level designer thought "if you try to speed things up by going for more than one objective at once we'll spawn infinite super-guardians at you forever" was at all good design? Zeratul 4 in Wings is just kind of dull on repeat playthroughs but Welcome to the Jungle Zerg Edition is actively infuriating.
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Apr 7, 2024 04:47
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rescuing jim raynor is one level short of being equal to the supposedly massive power boost that was being transformed into the Primal Queen Of Blades
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Kith posted:rescuing jim raynor is one level short of being equal to the supposedly massive power boost that was being transformed into the Primal Queen Of Blades
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Apr 7, 2024 05:58
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You know, if I was trying to rescue my true love and wasn't sure where the enemy was holding him, I wouldn't be quite so cavalier about wiping out entire Terran worlds.
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Angry Salami posted:You know, if I was trying to rescue my true love and wasn't sure where the enemy was holding him, I wouldn't be quite so cavalier about wiping out entire Terran worlds. Hey, Mengsk just said to stay away from Korhal. The rest of the Dominion is fair game.
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Apr 7, 2024 07:00
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What if Mengsk imprisoned him on Korhal so it'd be easy to defend the cell, and convenient access for gloating?
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he could just release a grainy video of the zerg overrunning a random planet and say "oh oops Jim was on there, looks like Kerrigan killed him" she believed him the last time, no reason it couldn't work again
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habeasdorkus posted:I can only imagine the posting on Koprulu sector CSPAM and D&D during the Zerg invasions that Kerrigan orders. Monshk
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I wanna know how in the last five years or so anyone in the Dominion is left /alive/. Like, shouldn't the Terran population be near extinction levels even with hundreds of planets given we're seeing tens of billions of people dying?
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habeasdorkus posted:I can only imagine the posting on Koprulu sector CSPAM and D&D during the Zerg invasions that Kerrigan orders. Imagine if Abathur was wrong and Zerg really can post on the internet, then it would be even better.
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wedgekree posted:I wanna know how in the last five years or so anyone in the Dominion is left /alive/.
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making a baby only takes like, 15 minerals and 6 seconds
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:he could just release a grainy video of the zerg overrunning a random planet and say "oh oops Jim was on there, looks like Kerrigan killed him" And then she just rushes Korhal because she's got nothing left to lose. The whole hostage plot just feels half-baked at this scale. Where's Mengsk calling up to alter the deal in response to Kerrigan burning border worlds? As was pointed out early, plot only happens when we're looking at it. No one reacts to events in the background.
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Imagine something like this, but with Mengsk and a random Zergling attacking him in the background. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2eaG7MVaqD8&pp=ygUbdHJldm9yIGF0dGFja2VkIGluIGN1dHNjZW5l
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Warmachine posted:As was pointed out early, plot only happens when we're looking at it. No one reacts to events in the background.  Doing stuff is, like. Hard. I'm sure Jim's fine wherever he is.
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habeasdorkus posted:I can only imagine the posting on Koprulu sector CSPAM and D&D during the Zerg invasions that Kerrigan orders. "I get it, Mengsk is evil, but was it necessary to wipe out three planets? [USER WAS PERMABANNED FOR THIS POST] (posting in bad intention, strawmanning)"
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Szarrukin posted:"I get it, Mengsk is evil, but was it necessary to wipe out three planets? [USER WAS PERMABANNED FOR THIS POST] (posting in bad intention, strawmanning)" I take it Koos is Xelnaga in this analogy?
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president kerrigan deploy the nydus worms we are ready
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Is our beloved Emperor's disgraced son secretly working for the Queen of Blades? The answer may surprise you!
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Warmachine posted:And then she just rushes Korhal because she's got nothing left to lose. Listen the deaths of Besides, Blizzard murders populations like that every single time as a matter of establishing stakes.Gotta build your heel for the PPV. Although I guess kerrigan is currently more of a tweener slowly working to a face turn.
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Civilian populations never matter in Blizzard games. Not just in moral terms either, it doesn't matter how much of a population is slaughtered, there's always enough more of them to field a massive army hiding off to the side.
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Tenebrais posted:Civilian populations never matter in Blizzard games. Not just in moral terms either, it doesn't matter how much of a population is slaughtered, there's always enough more of them to field a massive army hiding off to the side. I love how if you take a ton of casualties as Raynor in co-op he'll comment about losing a lot of good people. Don't worry bud, they were marines. I'll be back to pop cap in one minute.
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How we got from 500 mil or so humans in the koprulu sector to "so many billions die and it's just fun background flavor", I don't know. Also how Kerrigan travelled across the galaxy to Zerus and back before anybody did anything of importance or noticed she was gone. Fun thought experiment. What sci-fi universes actually do have a believable sense of scale? The Forever War and Gunbuster. Maybe Revelation Space. Arguably Dune, though in Dune's case because of the way space travel works the planets are basically neighbors and physics don't matter, so not sure it counts. It's actually really rare in fiction! Starcraft isn't even in the toplist of worst offenders! Captain Harlock might be at the top of that list.
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bladededge posted:Fun thought experiment. What sci-fi universes actually do have a believable sense of scale? ... Maybe Revelation Space. In the Revelation Space stories, the scale is often one of the core elements, the time spans involved in travel and interstellar-scale civilizations, so I think that's more than a maybe.
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bladededge posted:How we got from 500 mil or so humans in the koprulu sector to "so many billions die and it's just fun background flavor", I don't know. the UED forces from brood war deserted and joined the locals! please do not consider the scale of this
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