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ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

genericnick posted:

I mean, we're working full-time on making it catastrophic. Could have been Georgia-2, "what even is a Kyiv"? But instead we proved to the world that sanctions no longer work, the EU is utterly unable to stick to any agreement the US doesn't approve of (and the US itself isn't agreement capable), that we can't produce basic war material for even a medium sized conflict, and I guess if Macron is actually serious that NATO armies are kind of poo poo. Just compulsively raising the stakes on a bad hand until you bet the house.

And don't forget little Satan making sure we don't even have a tiny scrap of moral superiority to stand on while it happens.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 13:51

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# ? May 26, 2024 23:09

The Alchemist: Dec 12, 2010

Ukraine did a drone strike to Transnistria today

They are officially terrorists now, as they have not declared war with Moldova or self-proclaimed sovereign Transnistria for that matter

The Alchemist has issued a correction as of 14:58 on Apr 6, 2024

# ? Apr 6, 2024 14:55

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

The Alchemist posted:

Ukraine did a drone strike to Transnistria today

They are officially terrorists now, as they have not declared war with Moldova or self-proclaimed sovereign Transnistria for that matter

It's only terrorism if it comes from the terror region of Afghanistan, otherwise it's just sparkling politics-by-other-means.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 15:11

Leandros: Dec 14, 2008

I was playing a game and some guy was called 23rd mechanized tractor brigade or some poo poo and his av was a tractor pulling a tank. Obviously tractors pulling damaged Russian tanks is a fun little jape but then I realised that the fact that a civilian vehicle rather than specialised equipment pulling a damaged tank is in fact not a good sign. And everyone is apparently still going on about it as a sign of the inferior Rus. So that was my day.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 15:31

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Leandros posted:

I was playing a game and some guy was called 23rd mechanized tractor brigade or some poo poo and his av was a tractor pulling a tank. Obviously tractors pulling damaged Russian tanks is a fun little jape but then I realised that the fact that a civilian vehicle rather than specialised equipment pulling a damaged tank is in fact not a good sign. And everyone is apparently still going on about it as a sign of the inferior Rus. So that was my day.

OSINT commentators claimed that thousands of Russian vehicles were captured but these captured vehicles have never been seen in any significant amount

# ? Apr 6, 2024 15:37

The Alchemist: Dec 12, 2010

Leandros posted:

I was playing a game and some guy was called 23rd mechanized tractor brigade or some poo poo and his av was a tractor pulling a tank. Obviously tractors pulling damaged Russian tanks is a fun little jape but then I realised that the fact that a civilian vehicle rather than specialised equipment pulling a damaged tank is in fact not a good sign. And everyone is apparently still going on about it as a sign of the inferior Rus. So that was my day.

I mean, if it was Palestinian tractor vs Israeli army, I'd be rooting for the little guy with their tractor too. I just dont have blinders thick enough to stop me from seeing all the nazi tattoos and isis patches that the "small guy" is covered with in this specific battlefield.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 15:49

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

lolling at the title

# ? Apr 6, 2024 16:13

supersnowman: Oct 3, 2012

Toplowtech posted:

The real question is how do you put them on the carrier without reducing/blocking the runway. But yeah 100% Vtol carrier with cruise missile launchers sounds like an optimal power projection machine.

Even if your carrier need catapult, you could probably sacrifice some hangar space and put VLS in the back part under the runway.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 16:14

dead gay comedy forums: Oct 21, 2011

bedpan posted:

I'd say reject modernity embrace tradition but do rockets predate artillery?

rocket artillery barrage while katyusha goes on is arguably a quintessential destruction rite against Nazis

# ? Apr 6, 2024 16:19

The Alchemist: Dec 12, 2010

Embrace the anarchoprimitive military tactics. You have unlimited ammo if you just sling rocks

# ? Apr 6, 2024 16:30

Leandros: Dec 14, 2008

The Alchemist posted:

I mean, if it was Palestinian tractor vs Israeli army, I'd be rooting for the little guy with their tractor too. I just dont have blinders thick enough to stop me from seeing all the nazi tattoos and isis patches that the "small guy" is covered with in this specific battlefield.

I don't see much point in comparing the 2 conflicts beyond both existing because of the long dick of American foreign policy. The Palestinian tractor would've been bombed by the IDF on October 8th and the Israeli tank the second it seemed unguarded.
As far as I know the tractors are being used by the farmers themselves? They just seem to be assisting the soldiers, and can be doing that for a range of things: voluntarily on the basis of wanting to help their country's soldiers, Being Political, or being forced to help by soldiers. I don't think it's reasonable to do a blanket assumption that said farmers are necessarily all Political themselves.
If the tractors have actually been commandeered by the UAF then I guess the situation was even more dire from the get go.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 16:34

The Alchemist: Dec 12, 2010

Yeah I just pointed out that Ukraine stans think they are rooting for the little oppressed innocent guy, because thats how its portrayed in the media. Theres no more depth to their opinion, because their research on the matter is as shallow as 9 a clock news--after this adbreak

# ? Apr 6, 2024 16:40

Organ Fiend: May 21, 2007; custom title

Orange Devil posted:

Crosspost from WW3 thread:

...

'The 'I' has become a kind of holy grail. It is far too little about society. Collective defense is about all of us. We have created a society with rubber floors on all playgrounds so that children will never get hurt again. [OD note: but he does sound like such a loving curmudgeon, especially with this dumb bullshit right after dismissing the masculine criticism] In case of poor school results, parents contact a lawyer. I argue for more personal responsibility.

...

'The most important question is: how can you ensure that Ukraine can survive as a state. And then: how do you ensure that Ukraine can be better prepared for membership? ...

...

I love that first paragraph. He starts lamenting individual selfishness trumping collective defense, and then immediately transitions into complaining about personal responsibility. It's a perfect example of how ideology blinds people. Collective defense implies collective responsibility.

As for the second line, I'd really like to ask why NATO is so dedicated to the existence of a non NATO member. I mean, I know, but Id like to see them try to talk around it.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 16:59

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

The Alchemist posted:

Embrace the anarchoprimitive military tactics. You have unlimited ammo if you just sling rocks

still need to prepare the rocks!

# ? Apr 6, 2024 17:04

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Organ Fiend posted:

I love that first paragraph. He starts lamenting individual selfishness trumping collective defense, and then immediately transitions into complaining about personal responsibility. It's a perfect example of how ideology blinds people. Collective defense implies collective responsibility.

As for the second line, I'd really like to ask why NATO is so dedicated to the existence of a non NATO member. I mean, I know, but Id like to see them try to talk around it.

There are dozens of books about how their own ideology makes actually producing and motivating soldiers impossible, but they didn�t want to stop cutting the social safety net so.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 17:13

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Organ Fiend posted:

I love that first paragraph. He starts lamenting individual selfishness trumping collective defense, and then immediately transitions into complaining about personal responsibility. It's a perfect example of how ideology blinds people. Collective defense implies collective responsibility.

As for the second line, I'd really like to ask why NATO is so dedicated to the existence of a non NATO member. I mean, I know, but Id like to see them try to talk around it.

he's just a loving idiot that if sincere, and that's a big if, doesn't understand the world order he works for

# ? Apr 6, 2024 17:16

fanfic insert: Nov 4, 2009

Orange Devil posted:

The American think tank ISW sees signs that Russia is preparing for a larger conflict with NATO. You hear the same thing at NATO. What is that based on?

�We know because they sent it to us. In December 2021, Russia sent a draft treaty text stating that they wanted to return to the 1997 borders. [OD Note: the gently caress is he even talking about here? Like what was in Russia's 1997 borders that it lacks now?] The fact that its ambitions are greater than Ukraine is also evident from Putin's speeches. He wants to restore the great Russian Empire. But I don't think we have to fear an attack on a NATO member state tomorrow.

Russia wants to give back Crimea to Ukraine? :confused:

# ? Apr 6, 2024 17:22

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019; Can't post for 4 hours!

stephenthinkpad posted:

Yeah I thought that's a good idea. But I think China got rip of the launchers when they got the Liaoning from Ukraine (whatever its old name is).

SeaLiaoning

# ? Apr 6, 2024 17:36

CongoJack: Nov 5, 2009; Ask Why, Asshole

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

There are dozens of books about how their own ideology makes actually producing and motivating soldiers impossible, but they didn�t want to stop cutting the social safety net so.

It drives me nuts to think about this. It�s one of the few things that fires me up in conversations with normal people because the answer is so obvious.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 17:36

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Regarde Aduck posted:

he's just a loving idiot that if sincere, and that's a big if, doesn't understand the world order he works for

This describes most of the political ruling class at this point. They don't understand the actual mechanics of US hegemony.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 17:45

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Just send more carriers, they are infinite

# ? Apr 6, 2024 17:48

Megamissen: Jul 19, 2022; any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

fanfic insert posted:

Russia wants to give back Crimea to Ukraine?

maybe he meant 1917?

# ? Apr 6, 2024 17:55

Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

crepeface posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVaMn_x1wEE

cybertruck rear end weapon

the cybertruck body is lifted up and removed, revealing the beleaguered and overloaded model 3 sedan underneath

# ? Apr 6, 2024 17:59

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, the Kuznetsov is an aircraft carrier, it just has other capabilities in addition to being a flat-top. It is just the West can�t stop itself from lying and gaslighting at this point.

Arguably it could be reclassified as a repair trainer vessel given that it has been in refit for over five years straight.

But it might be fixed by late 2024 or 2025.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 18:02

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

VoicesCanBe posted:

This describes most of the political ruling class at this point. They don't understand the actual mechanics of US hegemony.

There are volumes on books going back to 1992 about how NATO expansion, neoliberal economics and social erosion would put them in the position they are in now.

The only thing I can think of is that they thought they could knock over Iran, Russia, and China in sequence. Since each is a regional power, they might have reasoned that even a declining global power could just take them off the table, and pivot to the next.

Fundamentally, they were right that there's no unifying ideology or project tying those nations together, let alone Venezuela, Cuba and the DPRK. It's not a substitute for COMINTERN, Warsaw Pact, the Berlin-Rome-Tokyo Axis, or the Central Powers. They are just the holdouts against total US global dominance. But the US pushed them together, and was loudly proclaiming that they could pick them off one by one, so why wouldn't that create cooperation, that in combination, was too much for the US to overcome?

Those latest articles about Ukraine say Europe will have to go it alone, because the US has to save its military strength for China. Who created that situation?

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 18:24 on Apr 6, 2024

# ? Apr 6, 2024 18:20

FirstnameLastname: Jul 10, 2022

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The only thing I can think of is that they thought they could knock over Iran, Russia, and China in sequence.

that's what the plans been all along
they weren't gonna repay all those trillions to china they were just gonna manufacture a war

# ? Apr 6, 2024 18:24

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

mlmp08 posted:

Arguably it could be reclassified as a repair trainer vessel given that it has been in refit for over five years straight.

But it might be fixed by late 2024 or 2025.

but if it got fixed it would just break again!

# ? Apr 6, 2024 18:25

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

they should just order a new one from China

that ship is busted as gently caress

# ? Apr 6, 2024 18:55

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019; Can't post for 4 hours!

Organ Fiend posted:

I love that first paragraph. He starts lamenting individual selfishness trumping collective defense, and then immediately transitions into complaining about personal responsibility. It's a perfect example of how ideology blinds people. Collective defense implies collective responsibility.

As for the second line, I'd really like to ask why NATO is so dedicated to the existence of a non NATO member. I mean, I know, but Id like to see them try to talk around it.

Because the aggression being committed by Russia is not only an aggression against Ukraine and its people, it�s an aggression against the very principles that lie at the heart of the international system.� If Russia were somehow to succeed in Ukraine, if we did not continue to stand with Ukraine, the message to would-be aggressors everywhere is it�s open season; you can get away with it too.�

Secretary Antony J. Blinken and Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba Before Their Meeting - United States Department of State

www.state.gov - Thu, 04 Apr 2024 posted:

Remarks

NATO Headquarters

Brussels, Belgium

April 4, 2024

SECRETARY BLINKEN:��It�s very good to be with my friend and colleague Dmytro Kuleba, the foreign minister of Ukraine.� We just came from a session with all NATO Allies and Foreign Minister Kuleba, and I think it�s safe to say that the support for Ukraine, the determination of every country represented here at NATO remains rock solid.� We will do everything we can; Allies will do everything that they can to ensure that Ukraine has what it needs to continue to deal with Russia�s ongoing aggression against Ukraine, an aggression that gets worse with every passing day.� And we�ve seen that just in the month of March with thousands of missiles, rockets, projectiles launched at Ukrainians and Ukraine�s cities and towns, its electricity grid � and that continues.�

We�re also here at NATO to talk about the summit that�s upcoming in the summer in Washington, celebrating the 75th anniversary of the Alliance.� Ukraine will become a member of NATO.� Our purpose of the summit is to help build a bridge to that membership and to create a clear pathway for Ukraine moving forward.� We�ve done a lot of work on that over the last couple of days here in Brussels, a lot more work to be done between now and the summit, but we will see, I think, at the summit very strong support for Ukraine going forward and its relationship with NATO.�

But we�re equally focused, as I said, on the immediate and on Ukraine�s needs today, tomorrow, the day after to help it withstand this ongoing aggression from Russia.� We�ll talk about all of that and the work that our two countries continue to do together.

The final point is this:� The fight that Ukraine has on its hands is not only Ukraine�s fight; it�s everyone�s fight.� Because the aggression being committed by Russia is not only an aggression against Ukraine and its people, it�s an aggression against the very principles that lie at the heart of the international system.� If Russia were somehow to succeed in Ukraine, if we did not continue to stand with Ukraine, the message to would-be aggressors everywhere is it�s open season; you can get away with it too.�

And so it�s imperative that Congress move forward with a supplemental budget request that President Biden made for additional assistance to Ukraine.� It�s not only in Ukraine�s interest; it�s profoundly in our own.� And we have dozens of allies as well who feel the same way, who are more than picking up their share of the burden.� And the supplemental will help ensure that we can continue to deliver for Ukraine because Ukraine is delivering for us, fighting the fight every day to uphold these principles that Russia�s aggressing and that matter to the United States and matter to every country in NATO.�

FOREIGN MINISTER KULEBA:��Thank you for the kind and strong words that you said just now, but also in the meeting behind the closed doors.� I didn�t want to spoil the birthday party for NATO, but I felt compelled to deliver a very sobering message on behalf of Ukrainians about the state of Russian air attacks on my country, destroying our energy system, our economy, killing civilians.� And I urged Allies today to provide Ukraine with new additional air defense systems, the best of which is Patriot.� This is the only system that effectively intercepts ballistic missiles.� In March only, Ukraine suffered from 94 ballistic missiles � 94 ballistic missiles were shot at Ukraine.�

As a result of the discussions that we had and these strong encouraging messages from Secretary Blinken, Allies will undertake an exercise of allocating, of finding this � identifying this additional air defense systems in order to bring them to Ukraine, to provide them to Ukraine, and help defend our skies.�

Of course, I also listened carefully to the discussion, to the comments related to the upcoming Washington Summit.� It is up for � up to Allies themselves to decide on the form and the content of the next step towards Ukraine�s membership in NATO.� I understand the decision has been taken today to task the military � military part of the Alliance with designing what that step could be.� And we will be looking forward to the outcome, but, of course, we believe that Ukraine deserves to be a member of NATO and that this should happen sooner � rather sooner � sooner rather than later.� So we will be looking forward to the outcome of these deliberations.�

Finally, I would like to thank the people of the United States, the Biden administration, and those forces in Congress who work tirelessly on finding a solution to a very � to a problem that seems to be very simple; just put something to the vote, put the law to the vote.� No one has doubts that the law will be voted by overwhelming majority, but overcoming this last obstacle is crucial.� It has to happen as soon as possible.� We heard the latest messages coming from Washington, and we hope that this will be delivered.� Thank you.�

SECRETARY BLINKEN:��Thanks.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 19:18

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019; Can't post for 4 hours!

heh. Cluster munitions are mentioned 22 times in the document but not on the page about Ukraine, just in pages about Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia.
To Walk the Earth in Safety: New Report Showcases U.S. Global Leadership in Conventional Weapons Destruction and Landmine Clearance - United States Department of State
~~[ timg]https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/1-cover.png[ /timg]~~

www.state.gov - Thu, 04 Apr 2024 posted:

On April 4, 2024, the�Office of Weapons Removal and Abatement�in the U.S. Department of State�s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs released the 23rd Edition of�To Walk the Earth in Safety, an illustrated report summarizing the accomplishments of the U.S. Conventional Weapons Destruction (CWD) Program in fiscal year 2023.

The United States remains the world�s single largest financial supporter of conventional weapons destruction.��Since 1993, the United States has invested�more than $5.09 billion�for the safe clearance of landmines and explosive weapons of war, as well as the securing and safe disposal of excess small arms and light weapons and munitions in over 125 countries and areas.� In fiscal year 2023, the United States supported conventional weapons destruction activities in 82 countries and areas with more than $398�million.

Our assistance � that of the United States Government and its global partners � is crucial to building a more safe, secure, and prosperous world.� Thanks to strong bipartisan support from Congress, the Department of State looks forward to continuing this important work with other donor countries, those impacted by conflict, and the brave women and men who work in the field to secure at-risk�weapons�and ammunition and clear landmines and other explosive hazards.

To request a printed copy�of�To Walk the Earth in Safety, please contact the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs� Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, at�pm-cpa@state.gov, and�follow us on Twitter�@StateDeptPM.

the report posted:

Cluster Munition Remnant Survey: The application of all reasonable effort, through non-technical survey and technical survey procedures, to identify and define a confirmed hazardous area impacted by unexploded cluster munition remnants.

What are cluster bombs and why is US sending them to Ukraine? (bbc.com, 2003)

e: it should be loving illegal for the state dept to disallow image leeching. tax dollars!!!

# ? Apr 6, 2024 19:35

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

mlmp08 posted:

Arguably it could be reclassified as a repair trainer vessel given that it has been in refit for over five years straight.

But it might be fixed by late 2024 or 2025.

Considering the state of the USN, I don�t know that is quite the slam. Even if the Russian Navy is in worse shape (kind of depends atm), naval strength isn�t as essential to Russia as the US.

As far as the Kuznetsov, it makes sense to repair it even if it took some hits, it probably has 20 years left in it with a proper refit.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 21:14 on Apr 6, 2024

# ? Apr 6, 2024 21:09

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Their resources would be better spent scrapping the Kuznetsov outright and reallocating those resources on their submarines or something, which are actually good.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 21:15

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

samogonka posted:

Has anyone actually provided a decent rationale as to why a Russian victory in Ukraine would be so catastrophic besides HURR DURR RULES BASED ORDER

Ukraine claims there is a genocide happening because Russia is evacuating children to live with their families in Russia. The concept of most eastern Ukrainians having family in Russia, or, honestly, evacuating civilians period is an alien concept to the rest of Ukraine because they stake so much of their national identity on not being Russian.

To be charitable, Russia has been pretty bad about providing records on evacuated civilians and is obviously going to keep a kid with their Russian family over sending them to their Ukrainian family

But, as we've seen from whats happening in Gaza genocide is not a deal breaker for anyone else in the west

# ? Apr 6, 2024 21:51

supersnowman: Oct 3, 2012

Ardennes posted:

Considering the state of the USN, I don�t know that is quite the slam. Even if the Russian Navy is in worse shape (kind of depends atm), naval strength isn�t as essential to Russia as the US.

As far as the Kuznetsov, it makes sense to repair it even if it took some hits, it probably has 20 years left in it with a proper refit.

If the Russians push far enough, they might get the naval yard where it was built.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 22:01

ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

The Alchemist posted:

Ukraine did a drone strike to Transnistria today

They are officially terrorists now, as they have not declared war with Moldova or self-proclaimed sovereign Transnistria for that matter

They've been terrorists for 8 years

# ? Apr 6, 2024 22:10

Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

wont somebody think of the children??

no no no not like that

# ? Apr 6, 2024 22:18

Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

https://cepa.org/article/the-elite-ukrainian-brigade-everyone-wants-to-join/

The Elite Ukrainian Brigade Everyone Wants to Join

Ukraine’s 3rd Separate Assault Brigade is a recruitment success story, with more than 900 volunteers a month seeking to join. Can this be replicated across the armed forces?

quote:

“Young fighters who have little experience join. Our task, if he is weak, is to make the weakest the strongest,” Yurii Kovtun, a sergeant in the Ukrainian 3rd Separate Assault brigade, told Radio ROKS. “We will not send him somewhere to die.”

[....]

The 3rd is a famous unit. It is a special target for the Russians, both because of its elite status and fighting spirit (its predecessor, the Azov, was among the units that held Mariupol for weeks against a far larger Russian force), but also because of its past ties to the extreme right.

Founder and leader Andriy Biletskyi is a far-right activist and former member of parliament who has acknowledged his far-right ultraconservative stance, but denied association with Nazism or white supremacy, dismissing such accusations as Russian propaganda. He told one publication: “Today, Ukrainians have only one option of political orientation: for or against Ukraine.”

[....]

The secret of the brigade’s success has four key elements, according to Daniil Koval, head of its Kyiv recruiting center.

The first is that the brigade seeks to remove the fear of the unknown through its media service, showcasing every aspect of military life, from combat missions to everyday routines.

This group is an innovation and contains 12 full-time media staff, including cameramen, press officers, and editors, and now creates content from the front lines on a professional website designed to appeal to the young. Viktor Rozovyy, a member of the brigade and a Ukrainian showman and comedian, films a military diary addressing soldiers’ concerns.

Despite YouTube restrictions, some battle videos get between 4 and 5 million views, and his subscriptions grew to a million in February 2024, a more than fivefold rise from a year earlier.

The second key is training. It’s not only the frontline test week, but also an intensive 30-day training program that makes the difference. A volunteer joining the brigade has a month to decide if they’re ready for the course. If they need more time, they can continue their pre-training until they’re fully prepared, physically and psychologically.

The third secret is that the brigade prioritizes listening to individuals’ preferences to align them with the wide variety of roles within the large brigade. While state territorial centers in Ukraine typically assign service locations and specialisms based on need rather than individual preferences, the 3rd Brigade facilitates mobilization and contracts tailored to individuals.

[....]

The fourth advantage is that the brigade offers a unique support system for its members through continuing social services for those in need. In case of injury, defenders receive personalized guidance and support throughout their rehabilitation and treatment.

“We have two guys working in Kyiv who lost their left hands — one during the battles in the Kyiv region, and the second during the battles in Zaporizhzhia,” Koval said. “After extensive rehabilitation, they were offered positions as recruiters. They are members of our big family.”

[....]

It now has recruiting centers in Kyiv, Lviv, and Dnipro, and Koval is convinced there is still no shortage of people who want to fight.

“Our brigade is constantly expanding, and we are now the largest brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” he said. “There are days when 30 volunteers come to us. People are eager to serve but seek the assurance of protection, recognition, and support from their brothers-in-arms.”

Recruiters also get calls from teenagers. The youngest person who was willing to join the 3rd Brigade was 11 years old, Koval said.

[....]

Koval says other units of Ukraine’s Armed Forces might learn from the 3rd. Each brigade could establish its own recruiting center, and each state’s territorial center for recruitment and social support could hold trial weeks run by servicemen with combat experience or injuries.

The experience of the 3rd Brigade also highlights that each element of Ukraine’s armed forces should have its own selection and training. Koval emphasizes the need for a procedure to review those previously exempted from military service, which could increase the number of fighters by tens of thousands.

While Ukraine has much work to do to improve mobilization, it’s also vital for Ukraine’s allies to continue the flow of military aid, he added.

“How long the war lasts depends on the level of support we receive from the West,” he said. “If everything remains as it is, the war will be very long. It can last five years, 10 years, because Ukraine is a big country, we have many people.”

“If, however, Western countries accept a strategy of victory, everything will end quickly.”

# ? Apr 6, 2024 22:45

1stGear: Jan 16, 2010; Here's to the new us.

I'm sure there's no issues with a "formerly" Political brigade becoming its own personal army.

# ? Apr 6, 2024 22:47

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

1stGear posted:

I'm sure there's no issues with a "formerly" Political brigade becoming its own personal army.

This is the post Ukraine surrender strategy

# ? Apr 6, 2024 22:49

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# ? May 26, 2024 23:09

ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

I would absolutely not want to join an elite Ukrainian brigade because that sounds like a super good way to die in a minefield or in the defense of a gutted tractor factory

# ? Apr 6, 2024 22:54

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