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cock hero flux posted:everyone i know who has played the remake without having played those two games keeps asking me to explain to them what the gently caress is going on Tell them to Play And Find Out. Stories often show things that will be explained later.
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the zack segments are written to be confusing even if you've played all the FF7s ever.
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seiferguy posted:Also, in the OG FF7, the flashback to Zack's final stand is optional and kind of out of the way to find it. You can only see it in disc 2 after Cloud gets better from his mako poisoning and head back to the Shinra Mansion. It was such a shock stumbling on this because if you've already recruited Vincent, or if you didn't even know he existed way back when, there's no reason to revisit the Shinra mansion unless for some reason you really want the ???? Enemy Skill.
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DeadButDelicious posted:It was such a shock stumbling on this because if you've already recruited Vincent, or if you didn't even know he existed way back when, there's no reason to revisit the Shinra mansion unless for some reason you really want the ???? Enemy Skill. The flashback scene is probably most notable because of the backstory and because you have to go through Shinra Manor again, but there's quite a lot of things in VII you can miss because there's no real reason to go back to some places. Like Final Heaven (why would you go to Tifa's house), Premium Heart (why would you check that one shop), HP Shout (why would you climb Shinra HQ at the end of the game), etc.
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ApplesandOranges posted:The flashback scene is probably most notable because of the backstory and because you have to go through Shinra Manor again, but there's quite a lot of things in VII you can miss because there's no real reason to go back to some places. Like Final Heaven (why would you go to Tifa's house), Premium Heart (why would you check that one shop), HP Shout (why would you climb Shinra HQ at the end of the game), etc. The Premium Heart at least is something you'd probably get if you found the Midgar Key, but the Midgar Key itself is something you'd kind of have to go out of your way to find. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Apr 6, 2024 |
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OG FF7 is one of the worst mainline final fantasy games, mainly due to the shoddy presentation of the story. 
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not even close.
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Mordiceius posted:OG FF7 is one of the worst mainline final fantasy games, mainly due to the shoddy presentation of the story. avatar checks out
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Dogpile them not for their spicy take, but for their inability to use [/timg]
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Mordiceius posted:OG FF7 is one of the worst mainline final fantasy games, mainly due to the shoddy presentation of the story. The fact that it has a complete, coherent story at all puts it in the top half straight away.
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I think you'd need to justify why other FF games don't meet that requirement to even make that a lukewarm take.
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Lol nice av
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Speaking of how stories are presented, I actually really love the recap features in FFXVI. It's total overkill for that particular story, of course, because it's not very complicated. But the "pause any cutscene at any time for a reminder of who these people are, what they're talking about, and where they are talking about it" button by itself would have come in handy on every game I've ever taken an extended break from, and the NPC who can give you a recap of both geopolitical and interpersonal relations as of any major plot point is pure luxury. A huge step up over something like Xenoblade's affinity charts, and a model that I hope gets copied by other games, especially the sort that already attempt such things.
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 When it comes to FF games, 7 just happens to be near the bottom of my list. I don’t like the story. I don’t like the characters. I don’t find anything about it interesting or engaging. There are very few FF games I like less than FF7. (And to be fair, I haven’t played 2/3/4/5, though based on how people talk about them, I doubt I would rate 3/4/5 below 7.)I just have never liked FF7. I’ve tried so many times but idk what it is about the game that I find no aspect of it exciting.
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Saying you don't like it is quite a big difference than saying the story doesn't make sense as presented or whatever lol.
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Mordiceius posted:
Which FF games do you rank below 7 that you have played?
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Saying you don't like it is quite a big difference than saying the story doesn't make sense as presented or whatever lol. I never said the story doesn’t make sense. I think the presentation sucks.
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Ravenson posted:Which FF games do you rank below 7 that you have played? Games I have played that I rank above FF7: 6, 8, 9, 10, 14, 16. Games I haven’t played: 2, 3, 4, 5, 11, 15. Games I would rank equal or below FF7: 12, 13. Games I have trouble ranking at all: 1.
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Mordiceius posted:I never said the story doesn’t make sense. I think the presentation sucks. the presentation is amazing 
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I agree that the presentation is somewhat lacking (in the sense that the translation can be a bit wonky), but that's kind of it
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Mordiceius posted:I never said the story doesn’t make sense. I think the presentation sucks. do you care to give any kind of specifics or are you expecting that your shocking and unorthodox opinion will be stunning enough to stand entirely on its own?
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lmao he puts 16 above 7 opinion discarded
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Augus posted:the presentation is amazing I dunno, there's all these ugly 3D polygons where they could have just done traditional 2D pixel art.
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Ravenson posted:I dunno, there's all these ugly 3D polygons where they could have just done traditional 2D pixel art. the fact that the field models are not good is pretty thoroughly acknowledged, yeah pixel art was not the answer, though, like FF8 and FF9 both have way better field models.
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cock hero flux posted:the fact that the field models are not good is pretty thoroughly acknowledged, yeah I assure you I was just goofin.
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There's no main FF game besides maybe 14 that even come close to 7 in narrative quality honestly. The game's just got much more interesting ideas and character writing then pretty much everything else in the mainline numbered games. 9 and 10 are probably the only real competition besides 14.
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Ff7 has basic field models but it uses them as well as the sprite based games. They could easily be better but they make them shocking expressive for how basic they are to the point they can carry the body language right over to Remake.
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Mordiceius posted:OG FF7 is one of the worst mainline final fantasy games, mainly due to the shoddy presentation of the story. aids
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Mordiceius posted:OG FF7 is one of the worst mainline final fantasy games, mainly due to the shoddy presentation of the story. There's more interesting presentation to cloud's mental breakdowns and the multiple internal dialogues he has than almost every other mainline ff game.
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ApplesandOranges posted:The flashback scene is probably most notable because of the backstory and because you have to go through Shinra Manor again, but there's quite a lot of things in VII you can miss because there's no real reason to go back to some places. Like Final Heaven (why would you go to Tifa's house), Premium Heart (why would you check that one shop), HP Shout (why would you climb Shinra HQ at the end of the game), etc.
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Is there a way to go 2nd in queens blood? Seems that going first immediately puts one at a disadvantage.
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Waltzing Along posted:Is there a way to go 2nd in queens blood? Seems that going first immediately puts one at a disadvantage.
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Raxivace posted:Usually you can just skip your first turn.  That never occurred to me.
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Yeah passing your turn is a legitimate move in Queen's Blood and can be helpful sometimes
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Harrow posted:Yeah passing your turn is a legitimate move in Queen's Blood and can be helpful sometimes It’s not when you pass to bait the AI into playing a card so you can get an advantage but fail to realize you’re behind so the AI passes and wins 
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A question about QB mechanics: I get that the area of effect will turn yours/your opponents squres to the opposite side. But this doesn't happen all the time. I've tried to turn opponent squares and nothing happen. What am I missing?
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Certain cards have squares that they buff/debuff but do not gain territory for. So you might be placing cards that have an effect on a certain space but don't actually claim it.
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Hm..that might be it. I think I need better cards. That ventriloquist girl took a LOT of attempts to beat.
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Having caught up on the last 6 pages, what is this assumed phenomenon that a series doing a genre shift will lead to long-term fans convulsing and frothing at the mouth like they're being tased? Like XVI is a huge existential hurdle to wrap your head around the concept of 'enemies that react in real-time in a JRPG'. If they just freshly escaped a cryo pod or they're an alien I can understand that but that's assuming it's the first video game they've ever played. Never touched Dark Souls, Nioh, TWEWY, Tales, NIER, Megaman Battle Network, Kingdom Hearts, Genshin Impact, Yakuza, Monster Hunter or a single first or third person shooter or action game somehow, just fresh into FF16 and they just melt like Emil in Robocop the second they see 'Press △ to cast Fire.'
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