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Utena thread is here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4040075
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 05:30 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 09:27 |
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SHISHKABOB posted:I for some reason have waited my whole life to this point to watch revolutionary girl utena and wow its incredible. Only 6 episodes in and im already crying (i had a little bit to drink). it rules and you've barely even scratched the surface
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# ? Apr 4, 2024 12:08 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-HgKRAtXaI
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# ? Apr 5, 2024 02:21 |
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CodfishCartographer posted:Yeah Yui wanted to be a sign that humanity existed, even long after humanity itself was gone. We don't really know enough about her character to know why this was so important to her, or how she'll feel after a few quintillion years floating in space alone, but we also don't really know what level of consciousness she has in the eva anyways. I always figured Gendo does get to instrumentality, he just has to go in a special way because he's a special kind of hosed up. Like how Aoba doesn't see someone he loves because he doesn't love anyone, the closest Gendo gets to love is Yui and Eva 01, and his self-loathing won't allow him to accept a lovely hug- the catharsis which allows him to enter instrumentality is being violently torn apart by the monster he created. His body doesn't goo right away, but it seems to be mechanically different for various people- Maya's hand pops off and remains solid, the SEELE guy just melts instead of bursting- and may represent that it's harder for Gendo than for the average person to be emotionally broken down enough to meld into a hive mind. The intent probably actually was that Gendo doesn't get to go to Heaven, but that also raises a bunch of questions for me. If he's not joining Instrumentality, why does Gendo experience a hallucination and die at the same time everyone else is experiencing hallucinations and dying? Everyone gets slimed except for this one guy? Who decides that? Shinji? Does he even have that level of control over what's happening? Because he hates his dad? Would he not also hate the SEELE guys for destroying NERV, or like Asuka for rejecting him? OK now that I type that out, that raises the unsettling possibility that Asuka's on the beach at the end not because she wanted to come back but because Shinji kicked her out of Heaven...
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# ? Apr 6, 2024 05:13 |
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2house2fly posted:I always figured Gendo does get to instrumentality, he just has to go in a special way because he's a special kind of hosed up. Like how Aoba doesn't see someone he loves because he doesn't love anyone, the closest Gendo gets to love is Yui and Eva 01, and his self-loathing won't allow him to accept a lovely hug- the catharsis which allows him to enter instrumentality is being violently torn apart by the monster he created. His body doesn't goo right away, but it seems to be mechanically different for various people- Maya's hand pops off and remains solid, the SEELE guy just melts instead of bursting- and may represent that it's harder for Gendo than for the average person to be emotionally broken down enough to meld into a hive mind. Gendo gets left out of instrumentality because his wife is real mad at his poo poo parenting.
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# ? Apr 6, 2024 07:08 |
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Heavy Sigh posted:Gendo gets left out of instrumentality because his wife is real mad at his poo poo parenting. Yep. Yui had such faith in Gendo, and was counting on him to take care of Shinji when she was gone. And then, well... He disappointed her. (Of course, if he'd managed to go past "I am a horrible person" to "I should help Shinji", even at the end, she'd take him back in a blink. She believed in Gendo more than anyone, especially Gendo, and we see that when Gendo finally realizes his mistakes in Shin.)
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# ? Apr 6, 2024 07:34 |
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I don't think it makes much sense, in terms of plot or characterisation, for Yui to reject Gendo from instrumentality. From a plot perspective, Yui deliberately isolated herself from instrumentality. That was the purpose of her plan to become a part of Unit 01. She could not have rejected Gendo because she does not have the means to do so. The Unit 01 that takes a bite out of Gendo is deliberately drawn off-model, with exaggerated monstrous features, which means that it's not the real Unit 01, which is somewhere else at the time. During instrumentality, we see people experiencing the closure that they need to surrender their ego to instrumentality. Gendo's final scene fits the same pattern that is established in those scenes. As for characterisation, in all of the interactions between Shinji and Yui throughout the TV show, Yui tries to push Shinji to engage and reconcile with his father. Yui is portrayed as someone who believes zealously in the potential of humanity, and in Gendo in particular. Her feelings towards Gendo are pity and remorse. If Yui does resent Gendo in EoE, this represents a major break in her characterisation, but it's not set up beforehand, or acknowledged by Yui herself later in the movie. On the other hand, we know that Gendo has complicated feelings towards his family, and believes that he does not deserve their love. So again, the scene makes more sense to me as the resolution to Gendo's internal conflict (surrendering to despair and annihilation through instrumentality) than as a revenge scene for Yui.
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# ? Apr 7, 2024 11:42 |
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I finished ANIMA, it was rear end.
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# ? Apr 7, 2024 12:22 |
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On my last rewatch I realized the show does not do a lot to set up Yui caring very much about how Shinji is doing. I suppose there are discussions to be had what the hell she thought was going to happen after making him watch her, basically, die. Why one of the more critical people of their doomsday plan was not indoctrinated into their lore and plans from childhood (or at very least prepared like Asuka was) is a good question too, at that point. (of course the real answer is that it's so that the plot of the show can happen)
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# ? Apr 8, 2024 06:35 |
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She put too much faith in Gendo, he never delivered the incredibly detailed packet of instructions she left for Fuyutsuki
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# ? Apr 8, 2024 07:08 |
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BiggestOrangeTree posted:On my last rewatch I realized the show does not do a lot to set up Yui caring very much about how Shinji is doing. I suppose there are discussions to be had what the hell she thought was going to happen after making him watch her, basically, die. Because Yui wanted him to grow up outside of the conspiracy, and Gendo didn't want to be anywhere close to a living reminder of everything he lost.
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# ? Apr 8, 2024 07:25 |
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BiggestOrangeTree posted:On my last rewatch I realized the show does not do a lot to set up Yui caring very much about how Shinji is doing. I suppose there are discussions to be had what the hell she thought was going to happen after making him watch her, basically, die. I think an important line to characterize this is when fuyutski and gendo are at the south pole talking and one of them says something about the chaos of the human heart or something like that. Maybe it was a different scene idk.
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# ? Apr 8, 2024 15:21 |
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BiggestOrangeTree posted:On my last rewatch I realized the show does not do a lot to set up Yui caring very much about how Shinji is doing. I suppose there are discussions to be had what the hell she thought was going to happen after making him watch her, basically, die. I always thought the reason Yui had Shinji watch her 'die' was to ensure he'd have a better sync score with Unit-01 (since he would subconsciously associate it with her even if he repressed the memory), therefore granting him an advantage as a pilot that would give him a better chance of survival.
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# ? Apr 9, 2024 07:38 |
Caught the EoE release at the local indie theatre last night. A very strange experience. I don't know if it was due to discomfort or whatever, but a lot of people were laughing at parts I didn't really think were all that funny. If a noise is vaguely sexual, despite context, it got guffaws - the same thing happened when I saw Suzume of all things. Asuka's last line is apparently the funniest thing on earth. Maybe Evangelion is just serious business to me, compared to others. As someone who has only seen EoE on my trusty Manga Entertainment DVD from back in the day, seeing it in higher quality on a big screen was like having clouds part in front of me. So many things I missed visually that popped and looked incredible. Some spectacular framing and animation.
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# ? Apr 23, 2024 20:25 |
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See this is why I appreciate our indie theater having a guy basically come out at the beginning, give a little spiel about EoE, and insist on rapt silence/no phones. There were maybe like 30% of the theater who had never seen it, and by the time the credits hit we all just kinda responded with stunned silence. Didn't get a single Anime Club type motherfucker pulling some bullshit, or like bringing out a tuna casserole to eat.
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 16:36 |
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When I saw Rebuild 1 in a theater, there were some really obnoxious people ruining the whole thing. Worst part was during the scene where Shinji takes schoolwork to Rei’s apartment and they get tangled up and whatnot, some dude yelled, “hell yeah, CP!” and his nasty friends guffawed. What the gently caress is wrong with people
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 19:21 |
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I've only watched a few anime films in theaters (discounting the first two Pokémon movies over 20 years ago) and the most obnoxious someone has been was an old guy who fell asleep behind me and started snoring. I'll consider myself doing okay if I watch Eva or any other anime films without it getting more severe than that.
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 19:55 |
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Foppish Yet Dashing posted:When I saw Rebuild 1 in a theater, there were some really obnoxious people ruining the whole thing. Worst part was during the scene where Shinji takes schoolwork to Rei’s apartment and they get tangled up and whatnot, some dude yelled, “hell yeah, CP!” and his nasty friends guffawed. what the hell feels like that should get the staff to pause the movie and call them out about it or something perhaps with a record scratch
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 09:58 |
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Laughter doesn't always mean people find something funny. Some people laugh when they are uncomfortable or nervous as well.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 10:05 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvs3YCI1HE Premiering in about an hour. I love how it took forever for the release between the last one and 3.0 + 1.0.
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 17:45 |
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Shoutouts to the person handing out a business card with QR code to their Rebuild of Evangelion AMV at the End of Evangelion screening I went to. You rock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvhGZ2yQl6A e: also shoutout to the crowd in general only really guffawing when the credits happened and then at the guy throwing the middle finger at the camera, and subsequently a bunch of the audience also throwing a middle finger at the screen. Not a sound during the hospital scene! Very respectful. Weird BIAS fucked around with this message at 05:57 on May 3, 2024 |
# ? May 3, 2024 05:36 |
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Remembering the time I first heard Bohemian Polka by Weird Al because someone put it over Evangelion Opus.
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# ? May 3, 2024 23:58 |
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Ranzear posted:Remembering the time I first heard Bohemian Polka by Weird Al because someone put it over Evangelion Opus. This reminds me how the best part of AMV Hell was the one that mixed in scenes from EoE with Titanic, so it looked like Unit 02 was destroying the ship set to my heart will go on.
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# ? May 4, 2024 01:34 |
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I watched this video called AMV hell 3 when I was in like middle school in like 2007 probably and it had a bunch of evangelion bits to it, some of which were pretty hilarious spoilers (the tang scene is played to the touch by Stan bush I think)Rich Uncle Chet posted:This reminds me how the best part of AMV Hell was the one that mixed in scenes from EoE with Titanic, so it looked like Unit 02 was destroying the ship set to my heart will go on. And of course this one, my favorite. Anyways I saw all that before watching evangelion lol. I've watched the show and movies a lot of times since then so I don't really remember how I felt watching it the first time. I liked it enough to impulse buy the platinum DVD collection that I randomly saw at a best buy pretty shortly thereafter. Think I was in high-school when I found that.
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# ? May 4, 2024 04:20 |
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There was a neat old AMV that used Bohemian Rhapsody but unfortunately the part from EoE where Rei leaves Gendo and levitates out of frame was accompanied by "Goodbye everybody" and now it's stuck in my brain.
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# ? May 4, 2024 14:11 |
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some stupid poo poo I made a couple years ago https://vimeo.com/showcase/5200293
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# ? May 4, 2024 14:32 |
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Szmitten posted:There was a neat old AMV that used Bohemian Rhapsody but unfortunately the part from EoE where Rei leaves Gendo and levitates out of frame was accompanied by "Goodbye everybody" and now it's stuck in my brain. Yeah that's Evangelion Opus. See above about a Weird Al version. Unfortunately the remaster is missing the vinyl crackle timed to the glasses breaking.
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# ? May 5, 2024 04:10 |
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Which AMV did the "evil gendo" thing that used the EOE shot of unit 2 getting shot at by the military with Gendo's face put over it
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# ? May 6, 2024 06:42 |
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My husband told me I should post this video I made here. Enjoy, hopefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27hhNvj34P8
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# ? May 7, 2024 14:15 |
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Poo In An Alleyway posted:My husband told me I should post this video I made here. Enjoy, hopefully: Lmfao
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# ? May 7, 2024 19:55 |
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Poo In An Alleyway posted:My husband told me I should post this video I made here. Enjoy, hopefully: He was right to do so, this is The Good Stuff
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# ? May 8, 2024 01:07 |
Poo In An Alleyway posted:My husband told me I should post this video I made here. Enjoy, hopefully: Oh my God.
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# ? May 8, 2024 01:59 |
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Poo In An Alleyway posted:My husband told me I should post this video I made here. Enjoy, hopefully: You Can (Not) Double Down
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# ? May 10, 2024 05:41 |
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Poo In An Alleyway posted:My husband told me I should post this video I made here. Enjoy, hopefully: Thank you I liked "who am I? What am i?"
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# ? May 11, 2024 01:43 |
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Poo In An Alleyway posted:My husband told me I should post this video I made here. Enjoy, hopefully:
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# ? May 13, 2024 08:20 |
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Rewatched 1-26, EoE, and Rebuild 1-3 over the last week or two with a friend who's never seen any of it. You can't beat 1-26 + EoE. It's very hard. We went straight from 26 into EoE. There's such a heavy temptation upon rewatches to just "watch Rebuild 1+2" but it just isn't the same without the build up. I've only seen the Rebuild 1-3 like maybe three times now. (I think I've only seen Rebuild 4 once?) It's hard to top Rebuild 1-2, which I really love, but i know so much of that is just like, nostalgia for original series. I love all the slight characterization changes, and still feel the same kind of frustration over the dinner not happening. Rebuild 3, I remember disliking upon first watch. I have warmed up to it more, and while I do think I appreciate more of what it's going for (deconstruction?), I feel like it misses the mark in a lot of other ways. It feels simultaneously rushed and slow; the pacing is weird. It's the shortest of the four rebuild movies (at about 1.5 hours). I don't remember if I had to wait to watch 3 after 2 or not, or if I was able to watch it straight away, back in the day. Looking forward to watching 4 again though. I liked it more but felt... odd afterwards last time.
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# ? Jun 7, 2024 07:14 |
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4 is just such a big poo poo show. One weird detail to nitpick that really stood out for me is that they took the time to put in a whole dialogue scene to - I assume - fix a plot hole that wasn't a plot hole? When they wonder why Shinji would be able to pilot an Eva even though he had 0% sync ratio (as stated in 3) , and then realize he actually has infinite% Okay so I don't know about you, but for me when I saw 3 and they brought up the 0% sync ratio I just assumed they were lying to him so he wouldn't even try. And sure enough, later on in 3 he pilots an Eva just fine and everyone sees it happen. Am I just crazy or did bringing it up again make it all even dumber? In a movie that pulls new rules and mechanics for its magic out of its rear end like it's going out of style (turn ship into spear, eat Eva units, AT field bs when you're afraid) to even mention such a thing felt... I don't even know.
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# ? Jun 7, 2024 08:03 |
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BiggestOrangeTree posted:4 is just such a big poo poo show. One weird detail to nitpick that really stood out for me is that they took the time to put in a whole dialogue scene to - I assume - fix a plot hole that wasn't a plot hole? When they mention the 0% sync ratio in 3, it's reinforced by a phone or tablet showing 0% sync rate, too, so it isn't even like, a lie, as far as anyone knows. We finished 4 earlier and I DO like it more than 3, but the extra magical poo poo is kinda of tiring by this point of the series, but I get that's maybe partially intentional? All the changes and additional "lore" for the Rebuilds doesn't strike me as compelling but exhausting. You know what it is? I think the idea that the magical stuff is reinforcing emotionality in original+eoe, whereas it feels like it's moreso being done for like, nerd points in Rebuild 4 especially. Cause by the end of the series, the fights aren't for pure spectacle, whereas in Rebuild 3 and 4 they feel almost like filler in some way. ziasquinn fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jun 7, 2024 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 09:27 |
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when 4 isn't being a meditation on growth and realizing the adults, in your life, no matter how old, were just as human and fallible as you, it is very explicitly and directly saying the trappings of evangelion are limiting their characters and must be moved past, and the way 3 and 4 bombard you with seemingly relevant but totally meaningless lore is a big part of that it's not all negative or dismissive of stuff like that I think, though; the spear of Gaius is a huge emotional moment that serves as, broadly, the culmination for several characters' arcs and a payoff for the show's interest on individuals' struggle for meaning in an incomprehensibly alien world, and more narrowly the misato/shinji relationship (and also yui actually, both his moms), and that's as real and important as anything in the film Valentin fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jun 7, 2024 |
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