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LazyMaybe posted:really this is a very optimistic outlook considering how few people saw that flick. blessed be 99.99% of human beings, those lucky bastards 'Tis a heavy burden the .01% carry.
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Burnt_toastist posted:To the goon who recommended a blind watch of "Miracle Mile" on tubi, thank you. I had an excellent time. Glad to hear it, more people should do as I say.
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Kevin Smtih is like the living avatar of that lazy GenZ attitude that it doesn’t matter if it sucks, and isn’t worth even learning how to do it well, so long as you’re doing what you like and having fun with your friends. On the one hand, good on him for making it work out. On the other hand, I wish he would stop inflicting his stoner rambling half baked ideas on us.
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poisonpill posted:Kevin Smtih is like the living avatar of that lazy GenZ attitude that it doesn’t matter if it sucks, and isn’t worth even learning how to do it well, so long as you’re doing what you like and having fun with your friends. On the one hand, good on him for making it work out. On the other hand, I wish he would stop inflicting his stoner rambling half baked ideas on us. Before they got rebranded to "your chud parents", gen x was supposed to be the "cool kids who just want to hang out" generation. There were a million articles written in the 90s about how movies like Clerks showed that gen x slackers were going to change everything.
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https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1777347164672573774?t=hwiUqWXPqlDI6iz9m9Vzyg&s=19 That sounds like it could be amazing.
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I definitely loved clerks 2 when I was 20. I want to murder my 20 year old self
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Weembles posted:Before they got rebranded to "your chud parents", gen x was supposed to be the "cool kids who just want to hang out" generation. It has been enlightening and surreal to be on the very cusp of Gen X / Millennial, because I was just old enough to be aware of all the "everything is different with this generation" media coverage about Gen X in the early 90s, then was around to see essentially the exact same poo poo happen with the Millennials two decades later. And now I'm already starting to see the early rumblings of it starting to pop up for the Zoomers. (Also, at this point if you're on TikTok you'll already encounter folks who use "millennial" as a synonym for "cringy suburban mom".)
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Kevin Smith fell off in a weird way. I was a preteen when Clerks came out, so that probably colors my initial opinion of him, but I thought he made fun movies for quite a while. Sometime in the mid 00s he started making stuff that more often than not wasn't for me, but around Yoga Hosers he completely lost it. It now all comes off like religious entertainment, which is bad in its own specific way where the creators and viewers are off in their own little bubble of reality and the point of the entertainment is to continually affirm the ideals of the community. Is he basically just making digestible pink slime for Smodcast weirdos at this point? What the hell ideals do they have? The future is full of the lamest cults, I swear to god.
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I think the generation of kids for whom school is optional and tiktok is mandatory really will change things. Most of their lives have been soaked in simulations increasingly unmoored from the tenuous reality they once represented. The changes won't be the good ones everyone has all known we needed since we were kids, but they will be changes.
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Probably the most insightful thing Smith did for cinema was to show was a "nerd" actually was. Before Clerks (and really, even a bit afterwards), the "nerd" character was like something out of Revenge of the Nerds: just this complete cartoon caricature. When in reality, actual "nerds" in the 80s and 90s were guys like Randal and Dante (and like Smith himself). It was a genuine insight into the culture that Hollywood had completely missed for a long time. The problem was that Smith essentially lost touch with the culture the moment he got famous. He didn't grow up because he didn't have to, and so he lost the ability to create characters that were any more mature than Randal or Dante (or Holden from Chasing Amy). I remember seeing Chasing Amy when it was in theaters, and came away from it thinking that Smith was growing as an artist. Holden was an immature idiot like Randal or Dante (or everyone in Mallrats), but in the end the movie really clearly chastises him for his immaturity and tells him he needs to grow the gently caress up. So I was genuinely pumped to see Dogma when it came out...and was massively let down. Suddenly you've got thousand-year-old prophets and timeless angels and divine spirits and every single one of them talks like a dumb twenty-something from Jersey. The whole thing showed how Smith couldn't escape his extremely narrow worldview. Then after that we had Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, which was basically Smith disappearing up his own rear end in a top hat. I remember a critic pointing this out, and it really hits the nail on the head: You can see how much Smith had lost touch with the actual world when he had Randal & Dante both working at a fast food restaurant in Clerks II. Like, if you knew guys like that who were aimless in their early 20s with dead-end clerk jobs, you'd know a decade later they'd probably be doing dead end low-level office work (especially in the early-00s). But Smith clearly hadn't had anyone in his social circle who had a real job in over a decade, so he couldn't imagine anything but a fast food gig.
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Boomers are Joshes Gen Xers are Mikes Millenials are Jays Zoomers are Jacks We need the Rich Evans generation to save us.
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Red State was Kevin Smith, yeah? That was ok I guess.
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Mega64 posted:Boomers are Joshes Rich Evans will do a guest voice on Skibidi Toilet and Generation Alpha (final name tbd) will rise up to rule us all.
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I was never a big movie guy when I was younger, and while I know I saw both Clerks and Chasing Amy, I don't remember thinking anything about either of them positively or negatively. I do remember liking Dogma, which upon more recent viewing is kind of embarrassing. I associate Kevin Smith with being a part of that same media worshiping phase of internet nerdery that Wil Wheaton was in. Having a podcast/youtube channel where he openly cries and talks about how the latest comic book trash has "all the feels" and then names his poor kid Harley Quinn. I also remember in the early days of Twitter some airline charged his (at the time) fat rear end for two tickets and he had a very public meltdown about it. I don't know why Kevin Smith was flying on a commercial airline that late into his career but there it is. So, after all that, not exactly a fan.
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Haha at the time I figured he just really thought his fast food parody was too good to leave in the background, but it didn't really work with how they goof off. It worked in the previous setting because it was a dying business requiring minimal work and zero supervision. Fast food is a constantly churning mass feeding machine, less amenable to their shenanigans. Probably would've worked in an workaholic way have them in lovely call centers or something.
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I only watched like fifteen minutes of that Jay and silent Bob sequel but it seriously looked like it was just filmed with whatever phone Kevin Smith had in his pocket at the time.
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I also dipped out of it, not even funny to try and describe how bad it was. Just something you should never watch.
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Kevin Smith is kinda like Joss Whedon, where early on his schtick felt fresh and interesting but it wore out its welcome and it wore it out HARD.
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People like Joss Whedon, Failson Landis are worse than Kevin Smith. At least KS has 1-2 movies I can recommend. Chase Amy, it's an okay flick.
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jay and silent bob reboot is so bad it's actually evil, it's like yellow king or the movie from carpenter's cigarette burns level
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kevin smith has absolutely refused to change and i respect that. i think
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People obsess on Smith so much it's wild. He's not even making movies you have to know about because they are blockbusters, you can just ignore him if you don't like him.
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If Kevin Smith was 10 years younger, he would have been The Nostalgia Critic.
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kdrudy posted:People obsess on Smith so much it's wild. He's not even making movies you have to know about because they are blockbusters, you can just ignore him if you don't like him. which proves kevin smith > star wars
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LanceHunter posted:If Kevin Smith was 10 years younger, he would have been The Nostalgia Critic. anyone down for a triple feature of nostalgia critic's the wall, jay and silent bob reboot and inAPPropriate comedy by the shamwow guy
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Who is the Kevin Smith for the next generations?
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Khanstant posted:Who is the Kevin Smith for the next generations? Some rear end in a top hat on TikTok
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I do think it's funny Smith admitted in his after watch podcast that he didn't make the connection between Kylo Ren's name being Ben and Ben Kenobi while watching Force Awakens. Just missing probably the only emotionally resonant moment in the entire sequel trilogy lol
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Han Solo steps out onto the narrow metal bridge and shouts the name of his son: “Ben! Ben Solo! Whom I your father and Leia your mother named after Obi Wan Kenobi’s pseudonym, a man that neither of us knew for very long but had a great positive impact on our lives!” Kevin Smith staring at the screen while also thinking about crying about a Superman he read in the lobby before the film: “Huh so that’s Kylo’s real name”
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Groovelord Neato posted:I do think it's funny Smith admitted in his after watch podcast that he didn't make the connection between Kylo Ren's name being Ben and Ben Kenobi while watching Force Awakens. Just missing probably the only emotionally resonant moment in the entire sequel trilogy lol I didn't make the connection in episode 1 that the guy in the robe telling the bad guys what to do was also the senator from naboo. But I was 10 years old
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I just checked cause I wasn't sure but the last Kevin Smith movie I saw was Dogma when it was in CINEMAS. I FEEL SO SMUG RIGHT NOW.
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Pac and Cheese posted:anyone down for a triple feature of nostalgia critic's the wall, jay and silent bob reboot and inAPPropriate comedy by the shamwow guy Literally no one on planet earth, living or dead, is down for this.
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I never realized Ben Solo was named after Obiwan either, because that's incredibly stupid. To Hans he was a weird old dude that hired him once and then died. He never even heard the name Ben Kenobi until long after he was dead and Leia mentioned in passing once I'd imagine. If Leia wants to name her kid after this old general dude her dad worked with, why not name him Obiwan? I feel like this revelation only confirms that Obiwan is an embarrassing stupid name not only in real life, but in the Star Wars universe as well.
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boy i never get tired of "star wars should have been written better instead of written badly" posts my loving favborite
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You have to remember that in disney obi wan and leia went on (perhaps countless) adventures together before a new hope. Don't get me wrong that is definitely very stupid but it does give some more context to ben ren
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dreezy posted:boy i never get tired of "star wars should have been written better instead of written badly" posts my loving favborite okay but what if it was a different kind of bad?
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:okay but what if it was a different kind of bad? Dreaming of the world where Star Wars went full David DeCoteau “shirtless twinks wandering around aimlessly” somewhere around episode 2.
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