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Sydin posted:Honestly it's the opposite: I'm unconvinced that this one guy managed to steal this much money over this much time without the presumably dozens of people and organizations with some kind of eyes on Ohtani's finances not catching wind. Like okay he set up some super secret account that he had access to and could then draw from, but the money going into that account had to come from other accounts Ohtani has that have legit eyes on them, and they would have seen these massive shifts in money. Ippei was supposedly impersonating Ohtani to his bank, but was he also doing that to his accountants? Tax attorneys? Wealth and investment managers? Or does Ohtani really just dump all of his earnings into a checking account and call it a day? Sorta feels like other people knew but didn't raise it as an issue because they thought the obvious thing that Ippei was making bets on Ohtani's behalf, so they just ignored it. I mean even the bookie seemed to believe this was all a front for Ohtani betting.
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bawfuls posted:We heard years and years of stories about how close Ohtani and Ippei are, how trusted he was, how much communication with Ohtani was filtered through Ippei. Why is it hard to believe that even Ohtani's agent etc were subject to this same filter? Agents are not financial advisors and I struggle to believe the presumably very well paid and high powered tax attorneys who handle paying Ohtani's taxes for two countries or wealth management/investment execs would take "just trust my translator bro" as a satisfactory answer as to the reasons behind $4M of mysterious unmarked spending year over year.
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Poque posted:Ohtani did the cans 
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Sydin posted:Agents are not financial advisors and I struggle to believe the presumably very well paid and high powered tax attorneys who handle paying Ohtani's taxes for two countries or wealth management/investment execs would take "just trust my translator bro" as a satisfactory answer as to the reasons behind $4M of mysterious unmarked spending year over year. he probably uses FreeTaxUSA (not a scam)
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Sydin posted:Agents are not financial advisors and I struggle to believe the presumably very well paid and high powered tax attorneys who handle paying Ohtani's taxes for two countries or wealth management/investment execs would take "just trust my translator bro" as a satisfactory answer as to the reasons behind $4M of mysterious unmarked spending year over year. You think Ohtani's tax attorneys have better direct access to him than his agent? bawfuls fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Apr 11, 2024 |
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Poque posted:Ohtani did the cans shohei ohcani
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a better question might be this: https://twitter.com/jmjones/status/1778491856411623782 Although if Ohtani never got the word that the Giants were wiling to match the Dodgers offer, one might think he would have been upset when that was publicly reported a few months back
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I think the only thing we can say for sure is Ohtani is a certified financial criminal who commits income tax evasion
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bawfuls posted:ok well feel free to read the 30+ page report from federal investigators and be sure to send your compelling theories about all the holes in it to the FBI, IRS, and DHS, a bunch of agencies who are notoriously sloppy when it comes to investigating financial crimes that don't involve billionaires conspiring against normal people lmao settle down bevis, I'm sorry I dishonored the FBI and DHS. Popete posted:Sorta feels like other people knew but didn't raise it as an issue because they thought the obvious thing that Ippei was making bets on Ohtani's behalf, so they just ignored it. This is possible but also just reiterates my point that Ohtani should fire the poo poo out of anybody who had eyes/hands on his finances because they were at best hugely stupid/negligent and at worst complicit in what Ippei was doing.
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Ohtani is just another symptom of the corruption of pro sports through gambling . The mlb isn’t going to ban its biggest star for gambling so we get this instead
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He should almost certainly fire his agent based on how he handled this scandal over the past month alone in short: https://twitter.com/jaseidler/status/1778487182883258534 bawfuls fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Apr 11, 2024 |
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are we sure Ohtani isn't just really, really stupid?
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if it's ok with everyone I am going to keep making jokes about shojei being an obsessive gambling degenerate when I can think of one I think is funny.
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R.D. Mangles posted:if it's ok with everyone I am going to keep making jokes about shojei being an obsessive gambling degenerate when I can think of one I think is funny. Approved
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Apr 11, 2024 20:00
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I haven’t been this amused since that boat got stuck
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pretty sure the most important rule on this dead website is that if it's funny you can post it
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R.D. Mangles posted:if it's ok with everyone I am going to keep making jokes about shojei being an obsessive gambling degenerate when I can think of one I think is funny. Okay but only if you promise not to make fun of the FBI.
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R.D. Mangles posted:if it's ok with everyone I am going to keep making jokes about shojei being an obsessive gambling degenerate when I can think of one I think is funny. This is fine but if the joke isn't funny you get banned
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Does Ohtani know that he's doing billionaires a huge favor with the way he structured his contract?
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Sydin posted:Okay but only if you promise not to make fun of the FBI.
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Start to wonder if the dodgers extorted that contract out of him by blackmailing him .
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Gorman Thomas posted:This is fine but if the joke isn't funny you get banned That's a gamble Shohei Ohtani and RD Mangles must be willing to take
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bawfuls posted:you didn't make fun of the FBI tho? You posted a dumb "Ippei is the fall guy" theory and I reminded you that that is extremely unlikely given the mountain of evidence provided by federal investigators, as opposed to say MLB investigators Can we at least agree that the feds are a bunch of assholes?
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Bawfuls I think you've spent more time protecting Shohei than his actual accounting and management team.
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bawfuls posted:you didn't make fun of the FBI tho? You posted a dumb "Ippei is the fall guy" theory and I reminded you that that is extremely unlikely given the mountain of evidence provided by federal investigators, as opposed to say MLB investigators I mean again I don't think Ippei is the fall guy for Ohtani. I think he's getting all the blame when in reality what he was doing should have been stopped ages ago by the people handling Ohtani's finances, and that that didn't happen reflects really badly on them because either they didn't realize when they should have, or did realize and didn't do anything about it. Which is pretty much exactly what you just posted with this tweet: Like Ippei should not be the only one facing charges here. Everybody else connected to Ohtani's finances should as well, even at a minimum for negligence. But so far all of the criminal focus is on Ippei.
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Negligence isn’t a crime. Yet
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Fiduciary negligence usually gets resolved in civil court but in certain circumstances it can rise to the level of criminal activity.
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Forrest on Fire posted:That's a gamble Shohei Ohtani and RD Mangles must be willing to take I think it's been pretty obvious for awhile but RD Mangles is making these posts on Shohei Ohtani's behalf
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Sydin posted:I mean again I don't think Ippei is the fall guy for Ohtani. I think he's getting all the blame when in reality what he was doing should have been stopped ages ago by the people handling Ohtani's finances, and that that didn't happen reflects really badly on them because either they didn't realize when they should have, or did realize and didn't do anything about it. Which is pretty much exactly what you just posted with this tweet: The thing about NEVER having communicated with Ohtani through anyone other than Ippei is pretty dumb
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Bawfuls I think you've spent more time protecting Shohei than his actual accounting and management team. I will opensource all translations to a Dodgers fan discord with Japanese speakers
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Do you have an example of a negligence crime in a code somewhere. I suppose some states have a negligence manslaughter definition
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When Ippei called the bank do you think he did a poor, almost certainly offensive, impression of Ohtani?
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explosivo posted:Anyone else here playing Helldivers 2 and did a double take when the new order was on planet VERNEN WELLS? I had a hearty chuckle.
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bawfuls posted:Shohei hire me I will protect you better and also take a much lower fee Good news you don't even have to know Japanese to be Ohtani's translator since apparently you could get away with just making poo poo up for years! euphronius posted:Do you have an example of a negligence crime in a code somewhere. I suppose some states have a negligence manslaughter definition IANAL but this is the second or third result that comes up on google via Investopedia quote:Penalties for Fiduciary Negligence I admit I'm not invested (heh) enough in this argument to actually go look up legal codes or whatever so if "Investopedia" is wrong then hell I'll just take the L. Ohtani should still fire everybody though.
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Gorman Thomas posted:When Ippei called the bank do you think he did a poor, almost certainly offensive, impression of Ohtani? That's the thought I had, did he speak in perfect english or did he tailor it to whatever level of english Ohtani speaks? Not that the bank employees would know, necessarily.
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Jesus none of you are going to Encyclopedia Brown this thing what are you even trying to accomplish
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I wasn’t trying to prove you wrong I was just wondering . It’s an interesting topic (the criminalization of negligence )
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Marcade posted:That's the thought I had, did he speak in perfect english or did he tailor it to whatever level of english Ohtani speaks? Not that the bank employees would know, necessarily. Hi this is Shohei Ohtani, the guy who very famously doesn't speak English. I have two exciting pieces of information for you: One, I speak perfect English now. Two i have some enormous financial transactions
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euphronius posted:I wasn’t trying to prove you wrong I was just wondering . It’s an interesting topic (the criminalization of negligence ) I mean I admit I'm wobbly on the financial one but negligent homicide is absolutely a thing.
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Really? Go on... *Googles "how to become a bookie"*
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