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RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

Willa Rogers posted:



is the obvious choice for the future of the party.

slay queen :hellyeah:

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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

VitalSigns posted:

I'm gay and in Texas so I'm around queer Hispanic people and I've heard some of them say Latine

I don't get why it makes some if you guys so mad. Like, nonbinary anglos exist and some of them prefer to refer to themselves with gender neutral language like "they" even though that's not customary usage or whatever.

Nonbinary Spanish speakers also exist, is it really such a big deal if the want to use words like elle, Latine, etc to refer to themselves, like who cares.

Who decides this stuff, though?

Like if a specific individual wants to be addressed a certain way, that's a simple thing for the reasons you mention, but it's a completely different matter to have some individuals decide on terms to refer to entire ethnic groups.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Probably Magic posted:

They said Latin-Ecks, and I halfway expected Vin Diesel to explode out of a wall.

I laughed so hard at this. I just figured from reading that it would be la teen X or something, like keep the first two syllables, but everyone I ever heard actually say it pronounced it like a drat superhero name

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010
I will boldly state that what is happening both in Ukraine and Gaza is relatively insignificant compared to what will happen to the entire human race for at least the next 50-100 years if Trump is reelected and remains there. If the new tri-Axis corner stone of BRICS achieves stability at least a third of humanity will be enslaved by 2100.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Lib and let die posted:

It's Nichael's time to shine

i'm gonna party with my boy :kav:

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Officer Sandvich posted:

I will boldly state that what is happening both in Ukraine and Gaza is relatively insignificant compared to what will happen to the entire human race for at least the next 50-100 years if Trump is reelected and remains there. If the new tri-Axis corner stone of BRICS achieves stability at least a third of humanity will be enslaved by 2100.

wow that took a weird turn

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Ytlaya posted:

Who decides this stuff, though?

Like if a specific individual wants to be addressed a certain way, that's a simple thing for the reasons you mention, but it's a completely different matter to have some individuals decide on terms to refer to entire ethnic groups.

Idk who decides anything.

I remember my AD&D 2E players handbook in the early 90s had a note at the beginning explaining that they used "he" everywhere because it traditionally could be used as a gender-neutral pronoun, and women shouldn't feel excluded or take it as implying that the game isn't for them, sorry but "he or she" is too clunky and "they" is plural.

Now obviously that they even had to say that meant that there were conversations about pronouns and gender equality and feminism (not gender identity yet of course), and that they knew some people didn't agree with them.

Nowadays you basically never see "he" as gender neutral. But like no wizard's council sat down and decided for everyone, the people who thought that was kinda sexist eventually convinced enough people that the customs changed

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011



it'd be nice if people sunk this much time into helping poor people and climate change

MadSparkle
Aug 7, 2012

Can Bernie count on you to add to our chest's mad sparkle? Can you spare a little change for an old buccaneer?

Latinaux Boudreaux Aieeee !

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Nichael posted:

wow that took a weird turn

well, I'm onboard

MadSparkle
Aug 7, 2012

Can Bernie count on you to add to our chest's mad sparkle? Can you spare a little change for an old buccaneer?

VitalSigns posted:

I'm gay and in Texas so I'm around queer Hispanic people and I've heard some of them say Latine

I don't get why it makes some if you guys so mad. Like, nonbinary anglos exist and some of them prefer to refer to themselves with gender neutral language like "they" even though that's not customary usage or whatever.

Nonbinary Spanish speakers also exist, is it really such a big deal if the want to use words like elle, Latine, etc to refer to themselves, like who cares.

Latine like Lateen in pronunciation ?

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Nichael posted:

wow that took a weird turn

the western id fears the global south visiting 1/10th of what was visited upon them back

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

“If I were a Democrat I’d vote for RFK Jr. every single time over Biden," Trump said in a video on Truth Social.

https://x.com/HuffPostPol/status/1778637100809621914

MadSparkle
Aug 7, 2012

Can Bernie count on you to add to our chest's mad sparkle? Can you spare a little change for an old buccaneer?

Willa Rogers posted:



is the obvious choice for the future of the party.

can someone pls tell me if she's high here, like I feel she's high but I'm worried like I might be projecting somehow
Does anyone know and did her makeup personally pr something because I get dry mouth whenever I look at her lol

MadSparkle
Aug 7, 2012

Can Bernie count on you to add to our chest's mad sparkle? Can you spare a little change for an old buccaneer?

Uncle Wemus posted:

“If I were a Democrat I’d vote for RFK Jr. every single time over Biden," Trump said in a video on Truth Social.

https://x.com/HuffPostPol/status/1778637100809621914

RFK jr will never be president . Like ever EVER

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

MadSparkle posted:

Latine like Lateen in pronunciation ?

Spanish pronunciation so like La-TEE-nay

Like other Spanish words that end in e: jefe, ese

MadSparkle
Aug 7, 2012

Can Bernie count on you to add to our chest's mad sparkle? Can you spare a little change for an old buccaneer?

VitalSigns posted:

Spanish pronunciation so like La-TEE-nay

Like other Spanish words that end in e: jefe, ese

will keep that in mind, thank you

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

Hispanics are inching toward more conservative positions on border management, though they remain supportive of asylum and a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.

https://thehill.com/latino/4588234-latinos-poll-border-wall-biden-trump/

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Uncle Wemus posted:

Hispanics are inching toward more conservative positions on border management, though they remain supportive of asylum and a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.

https://thehill.com/latino/4588234-latinos-poll-border-wall-biden-trump/

yeah but this poll is from before libs came up with a cool new name for them

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

What you run up against are the limits of defining 32 different loving countries with one world. Literally, no word is going to make everyone happy.

When I was in high school, every week, the Latino club would debate ‘Latino’ versus ‘Hispanic. “Now ‘Hispanic’ has really fallen into the rearview, and it’s all these variations on the rear-end of the word. Latiné is great because it’s Latino-created. I’m cool with all of it. I use them interchangeably because I think the pie is still cooling and it will never be perfect, because it’s trying to capture too much stuff.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm willing to cop to it if I'm dead wrong on how this relates to the Hispanic community but my position is that I'm Filipino and when they tried to make "Filipinx" happen fuckin' nobody in the mother country liked it, not even the local queer community.

I wouldn't say you're dead wrong but it was definitely used by many of the younger latinx (I'll use it since they wanted to use it) peers at my last job. Some of the older latinas (the term they preferred) really hated it though and was at a staff meeting wherein people got pretty fired up about it, while all us mixed/non-hispanic people in the room just tried to be as quiet as possible. Like with most of these things the right thing to do is to use the term that people like for themselves.

One thing large parts the thread are definitely wrong about though is that it's a white invention, it generally came up from Spanish speaking places online, or from Pureto Rican writers in academic areas.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Uncle Wemus posted:

“If I were a Democrat I’d vote for RFK Jr. every single time over Biden," Trump said in a video on Truth Social.

https://x.com/HuffPostPol/status/1778637100809621914
trump seems a little low energy here, like an ai made this
https://x.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1778632356020314565

selec
Sep 6, 2003

he's a pretty old dude. they're gonna find him curled up like a bug on the floor some day, no warning.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

latinx to the polls

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


selec posted:

he's a pretty old dude. they're gonna find him curled up like a bug on the floor some day, no warning.

not sure what you're talking about. donald trump is the youngest president of any president this decade.

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000



Ultra Carp

docbeard posted:

I don't have a strong opinion about Sotomayor retiring or not but Supreme Court Justice Kamala Harris would be so loving funny please Santa I've been so good

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Rick posted:



One thing large parts the thread are definitely wrong about though is that it's a white invention, it generally came up from Spanish speaking places online, or from Pureto Rican writers in academic areas.

Also this kind of thing is not a recent invention of white millenial SJWs or whatever.

Elle was proposed as a gender-neutral alternative to él/ella/ello (he/she/it) in the 70s for pretty much the same reason that gender-neutral alternatives to he or phrases like "all men are created equal" or waiter/waitress steward/stewardess were proposed in English. Women and gender/sexual minorities wanted language to be more equal along with everything else they were trying to make more equal. And it's opposed by the usual stuffy bores who think everything is fine the way it is and these women's libbers are getting too offended by language that has worked for hundreds of years.

Personally I think some change along those lines will come eventually. Language is used to communicate and describe our world, if the world changes, language changes. If women gain more equality to men I don't think it's practical for male pronouns to always be the default anymore. As people who don't fit in the gender binary become more visible, a mandatory binary in pronouns just doesn't work.

VitalSigns has issued a correction as of 06:45 on Apr 12, 2024

Asproigerosis
Mar 13, 2013

insufferable
I just assumed latinx was only used by twinks, for obvious reasons

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

I swear to god if y'all don't start using the new word I tell you to use you're all FIRED

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Nichael posted:

it'd be nice if people sunk this much time into helping poor people and climate change

its almost like these manufactured social poo poo is to distract away from economic justice

but im an idiot what do i know

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

[ELIZA AND WOMEN]
Grind to the rhythm as we wine and dine

[ELIZA]
Grab my sister, and
Whisper, “Yo, this
One’s mine.”

My sister made her way across the room to you
And I got nervous, thinking “What’s she gonna do?”
She grabbed you by the arm, I’m thinkin’ “I’m through”
Then you look back at me and suddenly I’m
Helpless!

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
i thought latino was already gender neutral

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Lib and let die posted:

Latin-ayyyy🤌

If Italian-Americans don't count as Latine who the hell does?

haruspicy
Feb 10, 2023
hispanic herspanic theyspanic

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Every time someone posts these dumb rebuttals to the notion that Sotomayor should retire strategically I think of the ALAB podcast episode where they're discussing the RGB situation and I think Andy says something along the lines that strategic retirement only makes sense if you have an ideological goal and that while you'd expect that to be true of a political party on its face it's obviously not if you allow the other side to steal one of your nominations that's gifted to you (Scalia) and don't even try to play the game with RBG. The fact that you don't see the value in doing so is proof you aren't fit to be described as a political party. Doing politics is your raison d'etre and if it isn't, you aren't a political party."

Not saying anything that isn't completely understood by everyone ITT but I will say I must not be completely grounded in reality because it still surprises me that liberals are so goddamn dumb. I've met some truly stupid chuds but never one as completely braindead as your garden-variety liberal.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

ClassActionFursuit posted:

Andy says something along the lines that strategic retirement only makes sense if you have an ideological goal and that while you'd expect that to be true of a political party on its face it's obviously not if you allow the other side to steal one of your nominations that's gifted to you (Scalia) and don't even try to play the game with RBG. The fact that you don't see the value in doing so is proof you aren't fit to be described as a political party. Doing politics is your raison d'etre and if it isn't, you aren't a political party."

yup

a justice doesn't even need to be particularly old or frail - any time you think you can squeeze in a nom, have a justice retire and slot in a younger one

that is, if you actually care about winning

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

haruspicy posted:

hispanic herspanic theyspanic

Overcome by the feeling of justice

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011


That's right

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011


The courts wouldn't dare block these common sense reforms!

Ah, well, nevertheless...

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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Uncle Wemus posted:

“If I were a Democrat I’d vote for RFK Jr. every single time over Biden," Trump said in a video on Truth Social.

https://x.com/HuffPostPol/status/1778637100809621914

Do have to wonder how many radical leftists are on truth social waiting for Donald Trump's recommendation on how they should vote

(and why they'd settle on RFK jr instead of Jill Stein or Cornel West or "My Balls" ofc)

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